Comments on: Laws Should Protect Animals http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/laws-should-protect-animals/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:43:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Elizabeth http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/laws-should-protect-animals/#comment-29797 Elizabeth Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:58:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3848#comment-29797 Animal Welfare or Animal Rights? Here are some of the differences: As animal welfare advocates. . . • We seek to improve the treatment and well-being of animals. • We support the humane treatment of animals that ensures comfort and freedom from unnecessary pain and suffering. • We believe we have the right to "own" animals -- they are our property. • We believe animal owners should provide loving care for the lifetime of their animals. As animal rights activists. . . • They seek to end the use and ownership of animals, including the keeping of pets. • They believe that any use of an animal is exploitation so, not only must we stop using animals for food and clothing, but pet ownership must be outlawed as well. • They want to obtain legal rights for animals as they believe that animals and humans are equal. • They use false and unsubstantiated allegations of animal abuse to raise funds, attract media attention and bring supporters into the movement. (The Inhumane Crusade, Daniel T. Oliver) www.naiaonline.org Animal Welfare or Animal Rights?
Here are some of the differences:

As animal welfare advocates. . .

• We seek to improve the treatment and well-being of animals.

• We support the humane treatment of animals that ensures comfort and freedom from unnecessary pain and suffering.

• We believe we have the right to “own” animals — they are our property.

• We believe animal owners should provide loving care for the lifetime of their animals.

As animal rights activists. . .

• They seek to end the use and ownership of animals, including the keeping of pets.

• They believe that any use of an animal is exploitation so, not only must we stop using animals for food and clothing, but pet ownership must be outlawed as well.

• They want to obtain legal rights for animals as they believe that animals and humans are equal.

• They use false and unsubstantiated allegations of animal abuse to raise funds, attract media attention and bring supporters into the movement. (The Inhumane Crusade, Daniel T. Oliver)

http://www.naiaonline.org

]]> By: Mark Hawthorne http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/laws-should-protect-animals/#comment-29687 Mark Hawthorne Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:36:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3848#comment-29687 I don't think there's any question that this law will escalate the level of action by activists -- it will just go underground. Indeed, some animal activists are even mocking the new legislation and have used it to inspire more activity: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/08/18543572.php I don’t think there’s any question that this law will escalate the level of action by activists — it will just go underground. Indeed, some animal activists are even mocking the new legislation and have used it to inspire more activity: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/08/18543572.php

]]> By: Brian Koontz http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/laws-should-protect-animals/#comment-29621 Brian Koontz Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:50:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3848#comment-29621 From a revolutionary point of view, repression of speech is a good thing - totalitarianism laid bare will force Americans to confront it's reality. It's only people who want to live in a world of consensual domination, with "freedom of speech" but not freedom of action, with "voices" that are ignored, with votes that are meaningless, with capitalist consumption that is cheered, that deride and despair the "collapse of the Republic". Naked totalitarianism is bare for all the world to see. It's millions of cameras and electronic detectors and millions of eyes gaze upon Americans, waiting for them to stray from their proscribed behavior. It's trained armed thugs (police, military) wait with eager glints in the eye for a chance to use force on the populace. It's the defenders of the Republic, defenders of Imperialism, defenders of capitalism, defenders of clothed totalitarianism, who through their prevention of revolution have forced Naked totalitarianism on the populace under the mantra of "tolerance", "the middle ground", "liberalism", "the free market". Now that the mask of totalitarianism is coming off, America will finally confront it's true self - just like Germany confronted it's true self under Hitler.* America will become a hellish place for many years. But afterward? Perhaps, at last, America will live. * Hitler taught us a very valuable lesson, that capitalist humanity is cowardly and terroristic - that the "Good German" supported Hitler and only the "rare German" opposed him. Thus it is in America, with the "Good American" supporting clothed totalitarianism and only the "rare American" opposing it. Post World War II Germany is morally superior to Pre World War II Germany. The same will be true for pre-Neoconservative versus post-Neoconservative America. The price America pays will likely be at least as high as the price Germany paid. From a revolutionary point of view, repression of speech is a good thing - totalitarianism laid bare will force Americans to confront it’s reality. It’s only people who want to live in a world of consensual domination, with “freedom of speech” but not freedom of action, with “voices” that are ignored, with votes that are meaningless, with capitalist consumption that is cheered, that deride and despair the “collapse of the Republic”.

Naked totalitarianism is bare for all the world to see. It’s millions of cameras and electronic detectors and millions of eyes gaze upon Americans, waiting for them to stray from their proscribed behavior. It’s trained armed thugs (police, military) wait with eager glints in the eye for a chance to use force on the populace.

It’s the defenders of the Republic, defenders of Imperialism, defenders of capitalism, defenders of clothed totalitarianism, who through their prevention of revolution have forced Naked totalitarianism on the populace under the mantra of “tolerance”, “the middle ground”, “liberalism”, “the free market”.

Now that the mask of totalitarianism is coming off, America will finally confront it’s true self - just like Germany confronted it’s true self under Hitler.*

America will become a hellish place for many years. But afterward? Perhaps, at last, America will live.

* Hitler taught us a very valuable lesson, that capitalist humanity is cowardly and terroristic - that the “Good German” supported Hitler and only the “rare German” opposed him. Thus it is in America, with the “Good American” supporting clothed totalitarianism and only the “rare American” opposing it.

Post World War II Germany is morally superior to Pre World War II Germany. The same will be true for pre-Neoconservative versus post-Neoconservative America.

The price America pays will likely be at least as high as the price Germany paid.

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