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		<title>By: siamdave</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27711</link>
		<dc:creator>siamdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writings of a good man with good ideas, I hope you continue - every single person who starts to understand the things you have, and has the courage to stand up to the current rulers and get on the path of true democracy is to be encouraged. I would note that you seem to have thought not enough yet about economics in general, specifically our money. You refer to taxation - taxation is only a tribute from the people to the rulers, made necessary because the faux-democracies in which this tribute is exacted do not control their own money - they allow private banks to control their money supply, and thus their countries. You can learn more about this here - Banketeering - how the banks have been stealing trillions from you, and the tap is still running http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box01-money.html - it is written from a Canadian context, but the same principles apply in every western country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writings of a good man with good ideas, I hope you continue - every single person who starts to understand the things you have, and has the courage to stand up to the current rulers and get on the path of true democracy is to be encouraged. I would note that you seem to have thought not enough yet about economics in general, specifically our money. You refer to taxation - taxation is only a tribute from the people to the rulers, made necessary because the faux-democracies in which this tribute is exacted do not control their own money - they allow private banks to control their money supply, and thus their countries. You can learn more about this here - Banketeering - how the banks have been stealing trillions from you, and the tap is still running <a href="http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box01-money.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box01-money.html</a> - it is written from a Canadian context, but the same principles apply in every western country.</p>
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		<title>By: Josie Michel-Brüning</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27709</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie Michel-Brüning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John,
I appreciated your article and the following discussion it has initiated very much, however, at this point I can't help objecting, despite of my poor English. 
 If your  suggested system would have worked already you would have known better about  the man made global warming.  Warnings of scientists had  been depressed for a long time - at least since the 1980s - by  those profitting directly from exploiting our planet's resources and causing disbalance in our environment. - Well, my husband has worked for more than 20 years in  the research of environment. He and his colleagues were allowed to measure and to publish theire results in scientific newpapers etc. but the industry ignored as long as they could, and although Germany seems to do more fore protecting environment than the U.S., it is still too less, and they are far from accepting or applying every one of the already proved  results.  
Apart from this,  I want to remind at the interview by Rick Smith with Doug Morris, Cuba and the Struggle for Survival, Part 1 and 2, as you can read there, Cuba is trying since fifty years - against his big enemy in the North - your suggested model of democracy.
"Ceterum censeo": Please, help to free the Cuban Five unjustly incarcerated in the USA since nearly 10 years, see www.freethefive.org .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John,<br />
I appreciated your article and the following discussion it has initiated very much, however, at this point I can&#8217;t help objecting, despite of my poor English.<br />
 If your  suggested system would have worked already you would have known better about  the man made global warming.  Warnings of scientists had  been depressed for a long time - at least since the 1980s - by  those profitting directly from exploiting our planet&#8217;s resources and causing disbalance in our environment. - Well, my husband has worked for more than 20 years in  the research of environment. He and his colleagues were allowed to measure and to publish theire results in scientific newpapers etc. but the industry ignored as long as they could, and although Germany seems to do more fore protecting environment than the U.S., it is still too less, and they are far from accepting or applying every one of the already proved  results.<br />
Apart from this,  I want to remind at the interview by Rick Smith with Doug Morris, Cuba and the Struggle for Survival, Part 1 and 2, as you can read there, Cuba is trying since fifty years - against his big enemy in the North - your suggested model of democracy.<br />
&#8220;Ceterum censeo&#8221;: Please, help to free the Cuban Five unjustly incarcerated in the USA since nearly 10 years, see <a href="http://www.freethefive.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freethefive.org</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27701</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron,

One small problem: the existence of God cannot be proven.

Lloyd,

No, there's nothing in this article about global warming. Neither is there anything about the new war in Georgia, the old war in Iraq or fairies at the bottom of my garden. This article was about one subject: that the citizen, properly informed, should be able, if she chooses to make the political decisions that affect her life.

I have my doubts about the global warming thing. Obviously the planet is warming up - but its climate has never been constant since it was formed. Is the global warming frenzy just another managed distraction intended to divert our attention from permanent war?

But since you ask, I think the answer to the planet's ecological problems is population reduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p>One small problem: the existence of God cannot be proven.</p>
<p>Lloyd,</p>
<p>No, there&#8217;s nothing in this article about global warming. Neither is there anything about the new war in Georgia, the old war in Iraq or fairies at the bottom of my garden. This article was about one subject: that the citizen, properly informed, should be able, if she chooses to make the political decisions that affect her life.</p>
<p>I have my doubts about the global warming thing. Obviously the planet is warming up - but its climate has never been constant since it was formed. Is the global warming frenzy just another managed distraction intended to divert our attention from permanent war?</p>
<p>But since you ask, I think the answer to the planet&#8217;s ecological problems is population reduction.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenelg Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27690</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenelg Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an alternative proposal which might be of interest.  The first step is exactly the same as yours, the second is almost exactly the same.

   Step One/Two

   Become a Free Democrat. This does not mean joining anything or buying
   anything. It simply means accepting that any citizen, properly informed,
   should have the right, if they choose, to make the political decisions
   that affect their life.

   Step Two/Three

   Join with other Free Democrats and draft a People's Constitution that
   actually delivers Free Democracy to those people.

   Step Three/Four

   Take it upon yourself to be the legitimate Government of those people, and   govern according to your People's Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an alternative proposal which might be of interest.  The first step is exactly the same as yours, the second is almost exactly the same.</p>
<p>   Step One/Two</p>
<p>   Become a Free Democrat. This does not mean joining anything or buying<br />
   anything. It simply means accepting that any citizen, properly informed,<br />
   should have the right, if they choose, to make the political decisions<br />
   that affect their life.</p>
<p>   Step Two/Three</p>
<p>   Join with other Free Democrats and draft a People&#8217;s Constitution that<br />
   actually delivers Free Democracy to those people.</p>
<p>   Step Three/Four</p>
<p>   Take it upon yourself to be the legitimate Government of those people, and   govern according to your People&#8217;s Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27666</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And...</description>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27665</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And again</description>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27664</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27662</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Right, please see

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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27660</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does DV still post comments with links?</description>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27659</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this article contain ANYthing about global warming?  Anyone?</description>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27658</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Test.  Am I a person to the DV editors?  Or is being a person the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Test.  Am I a person to the DV editors?  Or is being a person the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: AaronG</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27651</link>
		<dc:creator>AaronG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article and subsequent debate above is encouraging. However, the system cannot be dismantled by humans with a 'bottom-up mentality'. Even if we can, all we achieve is to replace a human 'ism' with another human 'ism' and that's not a 'new manner of thinking', as Albert said. This experimentation with all sorts of human philosophies has been going on for centuries. It ain't working.

Below is also not a 'new manner of thinking', in fact it's about 2500 years old: 

The Bible book of Daniel, chapter 2, verse 44 explains in clarity that God will very soon destroy all traces of the current corrupt power structures (beginning with religious, followed by political and corporate) by 'crushing' them, then replacing them with his own global ruling structure or government. Sounds like just what the doctor ordered..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article and subsequent debate above is encouraging. However, the system cannot be dismantled by humans with a &#8216;bottom-up mentality&#8217;. Even if we can, all we achieve is to replace a human &#8216;ism&#8217; with another human &#8216;ism&#8217; and that&#8217;s not a &#8216;new manner of thinking&#8217;, as Albert said. This experimentation with all sorts of human philosophies has been going on for centuries. It ain&#8217;t working.</p>
<p>Below is also not a &#8216;new manner of thinking&#8217;, in fact it&#8217;s about 2500 years old: </p>
<p>The Bible book of Daniel, chapter 2, verse 44 explains in clarity that God will very soon destroy all traces of the current corrupt power structures (beginning with religious, followed by political and corporate) by &#8216;crushing&#8217; them, then replacing them with his own global ruling structure or government. Sounds like just what the doctor ordered&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27598</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrews,
i have often said in my posts that the swiss have either the best or one of the best rules in the world. so i'm glad that you also think so. some swiss, jews, amers are bankers. and what else can you expect from bankers. they will definitely finance also wars. than k u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrews,<br />
i have often said in my posts that the swiss have either the best or one of the best rules in the world. so i&#8217;m glad that you also think so. some swiss, jews, amers are bankers. and what else can you expect from bankers. they will definitely finance also wars. than k u</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27593</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments guys - I love it; it's great to get this particular debate going.

I don't especially eulogise the Swiss - merely point put that in my view they seem to have the best working democracy on offer so far; and sure, banking is the mainstay of their economy and has a pretty murky past. I accept that. Nevertheless, there is still a lot to be learnt from the way their democracy works.

As for tiptoeing around capitalism, Andrew, it was only because it wasn't especially relevant to this particular article. My dictionary defines capitalism as: 'The possession of capital or wealth; a system in which private capital or wealth is used in the production or distribution of goods.' 

I don't have an issue with that. In my view wealth is not the problem - it's the link between wealth and power that's the problem. Our rulers have taken a pretty innocuous word and deified it, corrupting it as extensively as they've corrupted the word 'democracy'.

Wealth per se is harmless, like a gun. The problem is when you put it in the wrong hands and legitimise any way its used.

Your point that the rulers would do their utmost to vandalise Free Democracy (or anything else they didn't control) is well made and true. I guess the point is this: it will be impossible to create a flawless, vandal-proof model of any system and simply implement it; but you could evolve one, you could start with a pretty robust model - the best you can do; something that the people can control pretty well, and then improve it from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments guys - I love it; it&#8217;s great to get this particular debate going.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t especially eulogise the Swiss - merely point put that in my view they seem to have the best working democracy on offer so far; and sure, banking is the mainstay of their economy and has a pretty murky past. I accept that. Nevertheless, there is still a lot to be learnt from the way their democracy works.</p>
<p>As for tiptoeing around capitalism, Andrew, it was only because it wasn&#8217;t especially relevant to this particular article. My dictionary defines capitalism as: &#8216;The possession of capital or wealth; a system in which private capital or wealth is used in the production or distribution of goods.&#8217; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an issue with that. In my view wealth is not the problem - it&#8217;s the link between wealth and power that&#8217;s the problem. Our rulers have taken a pretty innocuous word and deified it, corrupting it as extensively as they&#8217;ve corrupted the word &#8216;democracy&#8217;.</p>
<p>Wealth per se is harmless, like a gun. The problem is when you put it in the wrong hands and legitimise any way its used.</p>
<p>Your point that the rulers would do their utmost to vandalise Free Democracy (or anything else they didn&#8217;t control) is well made and true. I guess the point is this: it will be impossible to create a flawless, vandal-proof model of any system and simply implement it; but you could evolve one, you could start with a pretty robust model - the best you can do; something that the people can control pretty well, and then improve it from there.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27584</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>israel,
wld it be more accurate/adequate to say that israel's interests come before the interests of the working class and not before sacerdotal-politico-plutocratic class'?
i do not think that rich amers give money to anyone, including israel.
or if plutos give money to israel; then, there is some payback for the plutos.
recent events in georgia; destruction of palestine, afghanistan clearly show that WH is being paid back.
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>israel,<br />
wld it be more accurate/adequate to say that israel&#8217;s interests come before the interests of the working class and not before sacerdotal-politico-plutocratic class&#8217;?<br />
i do not think that rich amers give money to anyone, including israel.<br />
or if plutos give money to israel; then, there is some payback for the plutos.<br />
recent events in georgia; destruction of palestine, afghanistan clearly show that WH is being paid back.<br />
thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Filis</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27583</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Filis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 

you eulogise the Swiss but I'd be interested to know the number of wars to which their banking system is wholly unconnected. I suspect they've bankrolled a war or ten, and would also suspect that their vaults acted as repositaries of gold during the WWII, in the manner that contemporary Turkey had. 

Your proposal, though laudable, appears is skillful in tiptoeing around the massive elephant in the room, viz., Capitalism. Your proposal seems to be silent on private property, wealth and profit - the economic realm surely has driven developments in the cultural/political realm of human society and to disregard the workings of Capitalism is analogous to building a house in Antartica but failing to make any provisions to insulate against the elements - that's to say, failing to insulate against the forces that make that very poor semblance of democracy we 'enjoy' in the West amenable to the ends of Capitalism. 

The French Revolution overthrew the autocratic rule of the contemporary political elite which to the monied-but-power-deficient elite became increasingly arbitrary. And so the pie was then shared by an extended elite. The point, surely, is to forego the pie altogether rather than compete for a slice and to construct a more equitable system arrived at by employing the scientific tools based in a sound materialistic understanding of the world, scientific tools that Marxism offers, rather than forever be obfuscated by ideology and utopia. 

What you propose, although capable, in it's elemental state, of further refinement, is wide open to being highjacked by the very crafty beourgoisie - the devil has the best tunes and soon the hordes of voters increasingly convinced  - look how economic neo-liberalism and the free market are extolled in all (that count) international fora. I am doubtful in the extreme about ever relying on any sophisticated technological voting system (it cannot even be trusted under the sole custody of the state lest it be highjacked by the any likely proxy of the beourgoisie in the public sector) , given the scope for ever present corruption. I struggle to see how your plan would cure the ills that I am convinced only a proper application of a system firmly rooted in Marxism is capable of doing so. 

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, </p>
<p>you eulogise the Swiss but I&#8217;d be interested to know the number of wars to which their banking system is wholly unconnected. I suspect they&#8217;ve bankrolled a war or ten, and would also suspect that their vaults acted as repositaries of gold during the WWII, in the manner that contemporary Turkey had. </p>
<p>Your proposal, though laudable, appears is skillful in tiptoeing around the massive elephant in the room, viz., Capitalism. Your proposal seems to be silent on private property, wealth and profit - the economic realm surely has driven developments in the cultural/political realm of human society and to disregard the workings of Capitalism is analogous to building a house in Antartica but failing to make any provisions to insulate against the elements - that&#8217;s to say, failing to insulate against the forces that make that very poor semblance of democracy we &#8216;enjoy&#8217; in the West amenable to the ends of Capitalism. </p>
<p>The French Revolution overthrew the autocratic rule of the contemporary political elite which to the monied-but-power-deficient elite became increasingly arbitrary. And so the pie was then shared by an extended elite. The point, surely, is to forego the pie altogether rather than compete for a slice and to construct a more equitable system arrived at by employing the scientific tools based in a sound materialistic understanding of the world, scientific tools that Marxism offers, rather than forever be obfuscated by ideology and utopia. </p>
<p>What you propose, although capable, in it&#8217;s elemental state, of further refinement, is wide open to being highjacked by the very crafty beourgoisie - the devil has the best tunes and soon the hordes of voters increasingly convinced  - look how economic neo-liberalism and the free market are extolled in all (that count) international fora. I am doubtful in the extreme about ever relying on any sophisticated technological voting system (it cannot even be trusted under the sole custody of the state lest it be highjacked by the any likely proxy of the beourgoisie in the public sector) , given the scope for ever present corruption. I struggle to see how your plan would cure the ills that I am convinced only a proper application of a system firmly rooted in Marxism is capable of doing so. </p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: anthony innes</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27582</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony innes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John do not want to denigrate your article one iota and am passionate about the need to move beyond Plato's republican model for the basis of  the social contract .

Further the concept of rational sustainability for all human activity is urgently required . While I agree at first glance the Swiss model is way out in front of what we have here in Australia a couple of key points should be considered re the Swiss : they were very late giving Women the franchise; I have a bibliography that proves that without the connivance of the Swiss banks the Nazi war effort would have lasted 6 months; and finally the lack of transparency in those banks enables some of the most vile human activity worlwide .
When we see the ICC with complete juridisdiction and acceptance by all Nations a brighter day may evolve . At best we are embryonic ,larval ,infantile and victims of our mythologic propensities .

If the IMPEACHMENT agenda does not get up and clean out Congress and send the message around this planet that Corporate Law is answerable to Civic governance the collapse of the USA will likely destroy peoples raw faith in money breaking the frail financial distribution system that underpins human society . That we are back at a point of nuclear brinkmanship relects the accuracy of what you are saying and really we are all hanging on the thin thread of the WWW for any hope of Transparency ,Justice and Rule of Law.
Thanks for your thoughts.
antin04@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John do not want to denigrate your article one iota and am passionate about the need to move beyond Plato&#8217;s republican model for the basis of  the social contract .</p>
<p>Further the concept of rational sustainability for all human activity is urgently required . While I agree at first glance the Swiss model is way out in front of what we have here in Australia a couple of key points should be considered re the Swiss : they were very late giving Women the franchise; I have a bibliography that proves that without the connivance of the Swiss banks the Nazi war effort would have lasted 6 months; and finally the lack of transparency in those banks enables some of the most vile human activity worlwide .<br />
When we see the ICC with complete juridisdiction and acceptance by all Nations a brighter day may evolve . At best we are embryonic ,larval ,infantile and victims of our mythologic propensities .</p>
<p>If the IMPEACHMENT agenda does not get up and clean out Congress and send the message around this planet that Corporate Law is answerable to Civic governance the collapse of the USA will likely destroy peoples raw faith in money breaking the frail financial distribution system that underpins human society . That we are back at a point of nuclear brinkmanship relects the accuracy of what you are saying and really we are all hanging on the thin thread of the WWW for any hope of Transparency ,Justice and Rule of Law.<br />
Thanks for your thoughts.<br />
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andress,
well, we will never know if the rulers wld give up their unlimited powers.
but to me second party is on its way. it's a start. we'll see what develops!
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andress,<br />
well, we will never know if the rulers wld give up their unlimited powers.<br />
but to me second party is on its way. it&#8217;s a start. we&#8217;ll see what develops!<br />
thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Andres Kargar</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27578</link>
		<dc:creator>Andres Kargar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a class society such as the United States, democracy, just like anything else in the society is class-based and means different things to different classes. 

To corporations, for example, democracy means the freedom to raise prices and cut wages and benefits with total impunity. To the working people, democracy implies the right to a living wage, free education, universal healthcare, and the right to a clean environment.

One of the features of the class society is the tug-of-war between the rulers and the ruled, the outcome of which determines the health of the society. In Western European countries, for example, where the working peoples' instruments of power, such as the trade unions are stronger and better organized, the people have managed to win rights, such as free healthcare, long-term paid maternity leave, etc. In the lawless United States, where unions have been brutally destroyed and emasculated by the bosses, the people have no rights, and in some cases are much worse off than poor third-world countries, albeit the immense corporate and government propaganda that conceals the facts and shows the opposite.

The tug-of-war between the owning classes and the working people has never been alleviated through peaceful means. Even in Western Europe, social democratic parties have made a habit of stabbing the workers in the back in the name of "labor". Look at Britain's so-called "Labour" Party. The poor British citizens must be totally confused in trying to decide which is worse, the "Labour" or the Tories.

Alas, in these lawless United States, we don't even have any signs of those back-stabbing "social democrats" who might pretend some semblance of popular representation in parliament. All we have are the Democratic and the Republican factions of the same owning classes and enough of a brain-washed population that continue giving them legitimacy.  Every so often, the good and the bad cops switch places and promise the disillusioned masses glory and greatness.

Do you think the good and the bad cops will give up power peacefully? Will the bosses who have ruled for two hundred years and massacred millions in the process yield power to the citizens without major resistance? Or will their brown-shirts start a blood-bath before they, themselves, drown in it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a class society such as the United States, democracy, just like anything else in the society is class-based and means different things to different classes. </p>
<p>To corporations, for example, democracy means the freedom to raise prices and cut wages and benefits with total impunity. To the working people, democracy implies the right to a living wage, free education, universal healthcare, and the right to a clean environment.</p>
<p>One of the features of the class society is the tug-of-war between the rulers and the ruled, the outcome of which determines the health of the society. In Western European countries, for example, where the working peoples&#8217; instruments of power, such as the trade unions are stronger and better organized, the people have managed to win rights, such as free healthcare, long-term paid maternity leave, etc. In the lawless United States, where unions have been brutally destroyed and emasculated by the bosses, the people have no rights, and in some cases are much worse off than poor third-world countries, albeit the immense corporate and government propaganda that conceals the facts and shows the opposite.</p>
<p>The tug-of-war between the owning classes and the working people has never been alleviated through peaceful means. Even in Western Europe, social democratic parties have made a habit of stabbing the workers in the back in the name of &#8220;labor&#8221;. Look at Britain&#8217;s so-called &#8220;Labour&#8221; Party. The poor British citizens must be totally confused in trying to decide which is worse, the &#8220;Labour&#8221; or the Tories.</p>
<p>Alas, in these lawless United States, we don&#8217;t even have any signs of those back-stabbing &#8220;social democrats&#8221; who might pretend some semblance of popular representation in parliament. All we have are the Democratic and the Republican factions of the same owning classes and enough of a brain-washed population that continue giving them legitimacy.  Every so often, the good and the bad cops switch places and promise the disillusioned masses glory and greatness.</p>
<p>Do you think the good and the bad cops will give up power peacefully? Will the bosses who have ruled for two hundred years and massacred millions in the process yield power to the citizens without major resistance? Or will their brown-shirts start a blood-bath before they, themselves, drown in it?</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/three-steps-to-heaven/#comment-27577</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everyone for your comments. Much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for your comments. Much appreciated.</p>
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