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	<title>Comments on: Barack Obama’s Green Coal</title>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-green-coal/#comment-25888</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a fool would vote for Mccain, enough said. 

It's a shame that Powell never ran :(</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s a shame that Powell never ran :(</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-green-coal/#comment-25819</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Whitney and his last article a few down from this one is he right?  It sure looks like it.  If the economy's Worldwide go South and go South in a big way there will be a push by these so called elites to bring it back anyway they can and that means fossil fuels these so called elites are not good at making hard choices they are lazy and let other people do the work.  To make a try at this is not going to be easy far from it and it can be done but will take total focus on many different levels. 

"You must unlearn what you have learned." "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will..."
 
Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.
 
"You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. "  Yoda

   To me that is a good way to look at the problems we all now face.  Now is the time we will not get a second chance.  Just look at the infrastructure in this country it is falling apart and why because it's about the money the system is broken and I watched the Senate on c-span the last few day's and that is very easy to see along with grade school thinking.  The infrastructure will not amount to a hill of beans if climate change goes beyond a certain point.  Now is the time.  Let's just look at a few of these so called elites Bush and company.  These people get the best information around and do the know how serious climate change is and what it means to every human on this Planet?  Of course they do and yet these people have tried and succeeded in keeping the truth from getting out and done all they can to stop any progress on new energy, why.  Well because they don't give a dam and it looks like going out in style is the name of the game and the hell with the rest of us or my kids and there's.  The time is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Whitney and his last article a few down from this one is he right?  It sure looks like it.  If the economy&#8217;s Worldwide go South and go South in a big way there will be a push by these so called elites to bring it back anyway they can and that means fossil fuels these so called elites are not good at making hard choices they are lazy and let other people do the work.  To make a try at this is not going to be easy far from it and it can be done but will take total focus on many different levels. </p>
<p>&#8220;You must unlearn what you have learned.&#8221; &#8220;Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.</p>
<p>&#8220;You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. &#8221;  Yoda</p>
<p>   To me that is a good way to look at the problems we all now face.  Now is the time we will not get a second chance.  Just look at the infrastructure in this country it is falling apart and why because it&#8217;s about the money the system is broken and I watched the Senate on c-span the last few day&#8217;s and that is very easy to see along with grade school thinking.  The infrastructure will not amount to a hill of beans if climate change goes beyond a certain point.  Now is the time.  Let&#8217;s just look at a few of these so called elites Bush and company.  These people get the best information around and do the know how serious climate change is and what it means to every human on this Planet?  Of course they do and yet these people have tried and succeeded in keeping the truth from getting out and done all they can to stop any progress on new energy, why.  Well because they don&#8217;t give a dam and it looks like going out in style is the name of the game and the hell with the rest of us or my kids and there&#8217;s.  The time is now.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-green-coal/#comment-25818</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it is this kind of major breakthrough that they will try to slowdown or stop and that thinking will take us all into the darkside and who is they well people who need there head examined  and I am going to keep doing just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it is this kind of major breakthrough that they will try to slowdown or stop and that thinking will take us all into the darkside and who is they well people who need there head examined  and I am going to keep doing just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-green-coal/#comment-25803</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting the link.  This is a major breakthrough for photovoltaic technology.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Posner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confirming the post by Donald Hawkins.
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html

“Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class.”
--Al Capone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confirming the post by Donald Hawkins.<br />
<a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html</a></p>
<p>“Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class.”<br />
&#8211;Al Capone</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Posner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accidental double click.  My apologies.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Posner</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-green-coal/#comment-25800</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kenny.  Did you not read the post above yours?  Even without this bit of progress, if in fact it is real, the present state of photovoltaic technology is adequate to meet the energy demands of the world.  Combined with wind and limited geothermal it is beyond adequate for the foreseeable future.  The only thing preventing such a transition is the obstructionism of corporate fascism.
Beyond further enriching psychopathic fascist capitalists, what possible purpose could there be to continue raping the Earth and destroying our own life support system?  Who, by the way, gives a rats’ ass where liquid coal was first used?  It’s entirely irrelevant.
http://coldwarproductions.blogspot.com/2008/06/earth-is-speaking-will-you-listen.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kenny.  Did you not read the post above yours?  Even without this bit of progress, if in fact it is real, the present state of photovoltaic technology is adequate to meet the energy demands of the world.  Combined with wind and limited geothermal it is beyond adequate for the foreseeable future.  The only thing preventing such a transition is the obstructionism of corporate fascism.<br />
Beyond further enriching psychopathic fascist capitalists, what possible purpose could there be to continue raping the Earth and destroying our own life support system?  Who, by the way, gives a rats’ ass where liquid coal was first used?  It’s entirely irrelevant.<br />
<a href="http://coldwarproductions.blogspot.com/2008/06/earth-is-speaking-will-you-listen.html" rel="nofollow">http://coldwarproductions.blogspot.com/2008/06/earth-is-speaking-will-you-listen.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Posner</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-green-coal/#comment-25799</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kenny.  Did you not read the post above yours?  Even without this bit of progress, if in fact it is real, the present state of photovoltaic technology is adequate to meet the energy demands of the world.  Combined with wind and limited geothermal it is beyond adequate for the foreseeable future.  The only thing preventing such a transition is the obstructionism of corporate fascism.
Beyond further enriching psychopathic fascist capitalists, what possible purpose could there be to continue raping the Earth and destroying our own life support system?  Who, by the way, gives a rats’ ass where liquid coal was first used.  It’s entirely irrelevant.
http://coldwarproductions.blogspot.com/2008/06/earth-is-speaking-will-you-listen.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kenny.  Did you not read the post above yours?  Even without this bit of progress, if in fact it is real, the present state of photovoltaic technology is adequate to meet the energy demands of the world.  Combined with wind and limited geothermal it is beyond adequate for the foreseeable future.  The only thing preventing such a transition is the obstructionism of corporate fascism.<br />
Beyond further enriching psychopathic fascist capitalists, what possible purpose could there be to continue raping the Earth and destroying our own life support system?  Who, by the way, gives a rats’ ass where liquid coal was first used.  It’s entirely irrelevant.<br />
<a href="http://coldwarproductions.blogspot.com/2008/06/earth-is-speaking-will-you-listen.html" rel="nofollow">http://coldwarproductions.blogspot.com/2008/06/earth-is-speaking-will-you-listen.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-green-coal/#comment-25790</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't underestimate coal. With modern filters, a lot of the pollution can be kept out of the atmosphere. And opencast mining is not the only way of obtaining it. Whatever may be the American situation, Europe still has a lot of coal (Ukraine and Russia in particular) and very little opencast mining. The ecomomics of oil suddenly makes that quite interesting.

By the way, liquid coal was not first used in South Africa, it was used in Europe in WWII, when oil for civilian transport was hard to come by. It wrecked the engines of vehicles built to run on oil, but if the engines were built for it, I don't see why it couldn't work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t underestimate coal. With modern filters, a lot of the pollution can be kept out of the atmosphere. And opencast mining is not the only way of obtaining it. Whatever may be the American situation, Europe still has a lot of coal (Ukraine and Russia in particular) and very little opencast mining. The ecomomics of oil suddenly makes that quite interesting.</p>
<p>By the way, liquid coal was not first used in South Africa, it was used in Europe in WWII, when oil for civilian transport was hard to come by. It wrecked the engines of vehicles built to run on oil, but if the engines were built for it, I don&#8217;t see why it couldn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-green-coal/#comment-25785</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Major Discovery" From MIT Primed to Unleash Solar Revolution
Thursday 31 July 2008
»
by: Anne Trafton, MIT News

MIT's Professor Daniel G. Nocera has discovered a way to do large-scale solar power generation. (Photo: Donna Coveney) 
Scientists mimic essence of plants' energy storage system. 
    In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn't shine. 
    Until now, solar power has been a daytime-only energy source, because storing extra solar energy for later use is prohibitively expensive and grossly inefficient. With today's announcement, MIT researchers have hit upon a simple, inexpensive, highly efficient process for storing solar energy.
    Requiring nothing but abundant, non-toxic natural materials, this discovery could unlock the most potent, carbon-free energy source of all: the sun. "This is the nirvana of what we've been talking about for years," said MIT's Daniel Nocera, the Henry Dreyfus Professor of Energy at MIT and senior author of a paper describing the work in the July 31 issue of Science. "Solar power has always been a limited, far-off solution. Now we can seriously think about solar power as unlimited and soon."
    Inspired by the photosynthesis performed by plants, Nocera and Matthew Kanan, a postdoctoral fellow in Nocera's lab, have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the sun's energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Later, the oxygen and hydrogen may be recombined inside a fuel cell, creating carbon-free electricity to power your house or your electric car, day or night.
    The key component in Nocera and Kanan's new process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas. The new catalyst consists of cobalt metal, phosphate and an electrode, placed in water. When electricity - whether from a photovoltaic cell, a wind turbine or any other source - runs through the electrode, the cobalt and phosphate form a thin film on the electrode, and oxygen gas is produced.
    Combined with another catalyst, such as platinum, that can produce hydrogen gas from water, the system can duplicate the water splitting reaction that occurs during photosynthesis.
    The new catalyst works at room temperature, in neutral pH water, and it's easy to set up, Nocera said. "That's why I know this is going to work. It's so easy to implement," he said.
    "Giant Leap" for Clean Energy
    Sunlight has the greatest potential of any power source to solve the world's energy problems, said Nocera. In one hour, enough sunlight strikes the Earth to provide the entire planet's energy needs for one year.
    James Barber, a leader in the study of photosynthesis who was not involved in this research, called the discovery by Nocera and Kanan a "giant leap" toward generating clean, carbon-free energy on a massive scale.
    "This is a major discovery with enormous implications for the future prosperity of humankind," said Barber, the Ernst Chain Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College London. "The importance of their discovery cannot be overstated since it opens up the door for developing new technologies for energy production thus reducing our dependence for fossil fuels and addressing the global climate change problem."
    "Just the Beginning"
    Currently available electrolyzers, which split water with electricity and are often used industrially, are not suited for artificial photosynthesis because they are very expensive and require a highly basic (non-benign) environment that has little to do with the conditions under which photosynthesis operates.
    More engineering work needs to be done to integrate the new scientific discovery into existing photovoltaic systems, but Nocera said he is confident that such systems will become a reality.
    "This is just the beginning," said Nocera, principal investigator for the Solar Revolution Project funded by the Chesonis Family Foundation and co-Director of the Eni-MIT Solar Frontiers Center. "The scientific community is really going to run with this."
    Nocera hopes that within 10 years, homeowners will be able to power their homes in daylight through photovoltaic cells, while using excess solar energy to produce hydrogen and oxygen to power their own household fuel cell. Electricity-by-wire from a central source could be a thing of the past.
    The project is part of the MIT Energy Initiative, a program designed to help transform the global energy system to meet the needs of the future and to help build a bridge to that future by improving today's energy systems. MITEI Director Ernest Moniz, Cecil and Ida Green Professor of Physics and Engineering Systems, noted that "this discovery in the Nocera lab demonstrates that moving up the transformation of our energy supply system to one based on renewables will depend heavily on frontier basic science."
    The success of the Nocera lab shows the impact of a mixture of funding sources - governments, philanthropy, and industry. This project was funded by the National Science Foundation and by the Chesonis Family Foundation, which gave MIT $10 million this spring to launch the Solar Revolution Project, with a goal to make the large scale deployment of solar energy within 10 years.
   

This is the very reason James Hansen said research and fast and as we know the money and the focus for research is not there, why?  Fossil fuels are dirty that's just the way it is.  If we don't see major funding for research next year no matter what the state of the economy it's camp out time in front of the Capital none stop.  Just a thought</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Major Discovery&#8221; From MIT Primed to Unleash Solar Revolution<br />
Thursday 31 July 2008<br />
»<br />
by: Anne Trafton, MIT News</p>
<p>MIT&#8217;s Professor Daniel G. Nocera has discovered a way to do large-scale solar power generation. (Photo: Donna Coveney)<br />
Scientists mimic essence of plants&#8217; energy storage system.<br />
    In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn&#8217;t shine.<br />
    Until now, solar power has been a daytime-only energy source, because storing extra solar energy for later use is prohibitively expensive and grossly inefficient. With today&#8217;s announcement, MIT researchers have hit upon a simple, inexpensive, highly efficient process for storing solar energy.<br />
    Requiring nothing but abundant, non-toxic natural materials, this discovery could unlock the most potent, carbon-free energy source of all: the sun. &#8220;This is the nirvana of what we&#8217;ve been talking about for years,&#8221; said MIT&#8217;s Daniel Nocera, the Henry Dreyfus Professor of Energy at MIT and senior author of a paper describing the work in the July 31 issue of Science. &#8220;Solar power has always been a limited, far-off solution. Now we can seriously think about solar power as unlimited and soon.&#8221;<br />
    Inspired by the photosynthesis performed by plants, Nocera and Matthew Kanan, a postdoctoral fellow in Nocera&#8217;s lab, have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the sun&#8217;s energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Later, the oxygen and hydrogen may be recombined inside a fuel cell, creating carbon-free electricity to power your house or your electric car, day or night.<br />
    The key component in Nocera and Kanan&#8217;s new process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas. The new catalyst consists of cobalt metal, phosphate and an electrode, placed in water. When electricity - whether from a photovoltaic cell, a wind turbine or any other source - runs through the electrode, the cobalt and phosphate form a thin film on the electrode, and oxygen gas is produced.<br />
    Combined with another catalyst, such as platinum, that can produce hydrogen gas from water, the system can duplicate the water splitting reaction that occurs during photosynthesis.<br />
    The new catalyst works at room temperature, in neutral pH water, and it&#8217;s easy to set up, Nocera said. &#8220;That&#8217;s why I know this is going to work. It&#8217;s so easy to implement,&#8221; he said.<br />
    &#8220;Giant Leap&#8221; for Clean Energy<br />
    Sunlight has the greatest potential of any power source to solve the world&#8217;s energy problems, said Nocera. In one hour, enough sunlight strikes the Earth to provide the entire planet&#8217;s energy needs for one year.<br />
    James Barber, a leader in the study of photosynthesis who was not involved in this research, called the discovery by Nocera and Kanan a &#8220;giant leap&#8221; toward generating clean, carbon-free energy on a massive scale.<br />
    &#8220;This is a major discovery with enormous implications for the future prosperity of humankind,&#8221; said Barber, the Ernst Chain Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College London. &#8220;The importance of their discovery cannot be overstated since it opens up the door for developing new technologies for energy production thus reducing our dependence for fossil fuels and addressing the global climate change problem.&#8221;<br />
    &#8220;Just the Beginning&#8221;<br />
    Currently available electrolyzers, which split water with electricity and are often used industrially, are not suited for artificial photosynthesis because they are very expensive and require a highly basic (non-benign) environment that has little to do with the conditions under which photosynthesis operates.<br />
    More engineering work needs to be done to integrate the new scientific discovery into existing photovoltaic systems, but Nocera said he is confident that such systems will become a reality.<br />
    &#8220;This is just the beginning,&#8221; said Nocera, principal investigator for the Solar Revolution Project funded by the Chesonis Family Foundation and co-Director of the Eni-MIT Solar Frontiers Center. &#8220;The scientific community is really going to run with this.&#8221;<br />
    Nocera hopes that within 10 years, homeowners will be able to power their homes in daylight through photovoltaic cells, while using excess solar energy to produce hydrogen and oxygen to power their own household fuel cell. Electricity-by-wire from a central source could be a thing of the past.<br />
    The project is part of the MIT Energy Initiative, a program designed to help transform the global energy system to meet the needs of the future and to help build a bridge to that future by improving today&#8217;s energy systems. MITEI Director Ernest Moniz, Cecil and Ida Green Professor of Physics and Engineering Systems, noted that &#8220;this discovery in the Nocera lab demonstrates that moving up the transformation of our energy supply system to one based on renewables will depend heavily on frontier basic science.&#8221;<br />
    The success of the Nocera lab shows the impact of a mixture of funding sources - governments, philanthropy, and industry. This project was funded by the National Science Foundation and by the Chesonis Family Foundation, which gave MIT $10 million this spring to launch the Solar Revolution Project, with a goal to make the large scale deployment of solar energy within 10 years.</p>
<p>This is the very reason James Hansen said research and fast and as we know the money and the focus for research is not there, why?  Fossil fuels are dirty that&#8217;s just the way it is.  If we don&#8217;t see major funding for research next year no matter what the state of the economy it&#8217;s camp out time in front of the Capital none stop.  Just a thought</p>
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