Comments on: What’s A Voter to Do? http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:12:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: ron http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/#comment-24242 ron Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:31:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2298#comment-24242 The US imperialist/Zionist connection is difficult to analyze, but it is important to remember that US imperialism funds Zionism, not the other way around. This does not mean that AIPAC and other such organizations do not vary from the US imperialist agenda, but it does mean that if Washington pulled the financial backing it provides Israel, Israel would not last long! The US imperialist/Zionist connection is difficult to analyze, but it is important to remember that US imperialism funds Zionism, not the other way around. This does not mean that AIPAC and other such organizations do not vary from the US imperialist agenda, but it does mean that if Washington pulled the financial backing it provides Israel, Israel would not last long!

]]> By: bill rowe http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/#comment-23919 bill rowe Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:19:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2298#comment-23919 As I watch Obama being coopted by the democratic party establishment, my angst over having no real choices re-emerges. So far I will grudgingly vote for Obama as the lesser of two evils --- how depressing .However, if he sinks to much further in his only remaining weakened promise to get out of Iraq, I will be forced to switch to a "show vote" for one of the other third parties.ANd, I am African-American! As I watch Obama being coopted by the democratic party establishment, my angst over having no real choices re-emerges. So far I will grudgingly vote for Obama as the lesser of two evils — how depressing .However, if he sinks to much further in his only remaining weakened promise to get out of Iraq, I will be forced to switch to a “show vote” for one of the other third parties.ANd, I am African-American!

]]> By: Al http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/#comment-23905 Al Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:41:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2298#comment-23905 Which brings me to another Obama talking point. Why did he consider it necessary to talk before AIPAC and pledge that he would support Israel no matter what that nation’s government does? I mean, he went and talked to AIPAC before he talked to any other group. Why? Why? Because he has become AIPAC's bitch, just like every elected American President before him. Makes you want to puke, doesn't it? Which brings me to another Obama talking point. Why did he consider it necessary to talk before AIPAC and pledge that he would support Israel no matter what that nation’s government does? I mean, he went and talked to AIPAC before he talked to any other group. Why?

Why? Because he has become AIPAC’s bitch, just like every elected American President before him. Makes you want to puke, doesn’t it?

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/#comment-23844 Lloyd Rowsey Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:07:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2298#comment-23844 Hey, boys and girls. Glen Ford does not comment on comments but Ron Jacobs does. Remove dunce caps, put on thinking caps. Ron. You might get a kick out of reading the comments (especilly Deadbeat's) following Glen Ford's piece yesterday. In a phrase, dan e's writing gives me courage, yours gives me food for thought. Best, Lloyd Hey, boys and girls. Glen Ford does not comment on comments but Ron Jacobs does. Remove dunce caps, put on thinking caps.

Ron. You might get a kick out of reading the comments (especilly Deadbeat’s) following Glen Ford’s piece yesterday. In a phrase, dan e’s writing gives me courage, yours gives me food for thought.

Best, Lloyd

]]> By: Deadbeat http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/#comment-23836 Deadbeat Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:53:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2298#comment-23836 <i>After all, which legislature is probably going to pass legislation very soon that enables the White House to put a naval blockade in place around Iran? You got it. The one in Washington, DC. The legislation is known as HR 362 and has garnered dozens of cosponsors demanding that the US carry out what is internationally recognized as an act of war against Iran. Guess who is pushing this legislation? That’s right, AIPAC.</i> Thanks Ron for putting AIPAC front and center. It is imperative that the left confront the power and influence of Zionism in the U.S. Obama speech and presence (including Clinton and McCain) at AIPAC made that look blazingly obvious. After all, which legislature is probably going to pass legislation very soon that enables the White House to put a naval blockade in place around Iran? You got it. The one in Washington, DC. The legislation is known as HR 362 and has garnered dozens of cosponsors demanding that the US carry out what is internationally recognized as an act of war against Iran. Guess who is pushing this legislation? That’s right, AIPAC.

Thanks Ron for putting AIPAC front and center. It is imperative that the left confront the power and influence of Zionism in the U.S. Obama speech and presence (including Clinton and McCain) at AIPAC made that look blazingly obvious.

]]> By: steve conn http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/#comment-23815 steve conn Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:01:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2298#comment-23815 You vote for Ralph Nader if you want an end to the war even if you still believe the Democratic Party- after the Howard Dean episode and after the 2004 party effort to get the Nader name off of most state ballots to conceal the anti-war sentiment when thousands fewer had died and after this latest shuck and jive which fooled progressives. You vote for Ralph Nader unless Obama commits to an end to the war and to universal, single payer health care- or you wonder what happened for the next four years of the Obama Presidency. As Nader might say, take my issues , win my votes. You vote for Ralph Nader if you want an end to the war even if you still believe the Democratic Party- after the Howard Dean episode and after the 2004 party effort to get the Nader name off of most state ballots to conceal the anti-war sentiment when thousands fewer had died and after this latest shuck and jive which fooled progressives. You vote for Ralph Nader unless Obama commits to an end to the war and to universal, single payer health care- or you wonder what happened for the next four years of the Obama Presidency. As Nader might say, take my issues , win my votes.

]]> By: lrothrock http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/#comment-23808 lrothrock Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:36:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2298#comment-23808 Ron, Obama only got where he is because the power structure approves and supports him. Voters here don't have a real choice, because the country's path isn't going to veer from what the real power-holders want. The machinations are incredible! It's like watching a giant game of Risk, played by a group of hormonal teenage boys while the parents watch and give occasional advice. The boys are the world leaders (outfront and behind the scenes), and the parents are the Illuminati. That's how I see it, anyway- Ron, Obama only got where he is because the power structure approves and supports him. Voters here don’t have a real choice, because the country’s path isn’t going to veer from what the real power-holders want. The machinations are incredible! It’s like watching a giant game of Risk, played by a group of hormonal teenage boys while the parents watch and give occasional advice. The boys are the world leaders (outfront and behind the scenes), and the parents are the Illuminati.
That’s how I see it, anyway-

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/whats-a-voter-to-do/#comment-23801 bozhidar balkas Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:49:42 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2298#comment-23801 it's the beach head and not annexation. annexation wd be redundant when US has actual possession of that beach head. from this, one may conclude, that once u have a firm foothold, u don't need also annexation. zionists andmost ashkenazim like it this way. US politicos, i deduce, love it that way. they welcome blaming aipac; that way some heat is offt them. so it is good for their election/reelection/errection/direction/distance. i do not know why people who evaluate aipac/isr as dominant factor/actor in US alien policy don't even contemplate that it may be that the world plutos control aipac/isr and not the other way around? ok, i'm only guessing: aipac/isr does have some influence but not decisive one. or it may be just some teasing. thank u it’s the beach head and not annexation. annexation wd be redundant when US has actual possession of that beach head.
from this, one may conclude, that once u have a firm foothold, u don’t need also annexation.
zionists andmost ashkenazim like it this way. US politicos, i deduce, love it that way.
they welcome blaming aipac; that way some heat is offt them. so it is good for their election/reelection/errection/direction/distance.
i do not know why people who evaluate aipac/isr as dominant factor/actor in US alien policy don’t even contemplate that it may be that the world plutos control aipac/isr and not the other way around?
ok, i’m only guessing: aipac/isr does have some influence but not decisive one. or it may be just some teasing. thank u

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