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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/zionism%e2%80%99s-dead-end/#comment-23099</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by rewarding   ashkenazic volk,  we  do, i deduce, encourage other  peoples  to do what ashkenazic people have done and do now.
these  acts  may be viewed  as rewards:
letting  illegal  immigrants into palestine stay.
letting them stay and  approving of it  after  they attack indigenes and  expelling ab. 700,000 pals.
doing nothing  to  free  some 8-10td kidnapped people who have been i jail  for decades or yrs.
doing nothing  to bring  criminals  to justice
two-state  'sol,n'
one-state 'solution'  w. ashkenazim/w'jewry/US  in control.
reduction  of palestine to wisps/shreds of ab. possibly  10%  of  its original  size and just possibly touching here and there and maybe not even that.
i say  world  should  demand  these  bastards'   expulsion from palestine before  israel's  probable demise  or  perils to all of us.
yes. w'jewry  endanger all of  us.  one way out is to  expel  zionists.
this is not  racism to me but basically justice. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by rewarding   ashkenazic volk,  we  do, i deduce, encourage other  peoples  to do what ashkenazic people have done and do now.<br />
these  acts  may be viewed  as rewards:<br />
letting  illegal  immigrants into palestine stay.<br />
letting them stay and  approving of it  after  they attack indigenes and  expelling ab. 700,000 pals.<br />
doing nothing  to  free  some 8-10td kidnapped people who have been i jail  for decades or yrs.<br />
doing nothing  to bring  criminals  to justice<br />
two-state  &#8217;sol,n&#8217;<br />
one-state &#8217;solution&#8217;  w. ashkenazim/w&#8217;jewry/US  in control.<br />
reduction  of palestine to wisps/shreds of ab. possibly  10%  of  its original  size and just possibly touching here and there and maybe not even that.<br />
i say  world  should  demand  these  bastards&#8217;   expulsion from palestine before  israel&#8217;s  probable demise  or  perils to all of us.<br />
yes. w&#8217;jewry  endanger all of  us.  one way out is to  expel  zionists.<br />
this is not  racism to me but basically justice. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/zionism%e2%80%99s-dead-end/#comment-23080</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kim petersen,
the crimes of  christo-ashkenazic  people  r too  numerous  to enumerate.
let's  go down  to basics.  when  shaken or in doubt  i choose  simplicity  over comlexity; ie, i  go  to basics.
eg, US  has no right  to attack  another land no matter what  prediction, rationalization, demonization, evocation of perils, etc.  US  makes.
in case  of w'jewry/christian-pals/arab/muslim conflict, it is to me of utmost import that we never reward  people like  ben gurion, rabin, sharon and their numerous partners  in  crimes some of which  r unique such  as  child-,woman, and manhunt.
i  know of no such  precendent. even  some christians r now  horrified ab it.
so, we  reward  them  as  league of nations and UN prior to '49 had done.
even a two-state 'sol'n'  amounts to rewarding  some of the worst war criminals we'v ever had.
nat, i wd  prefer  all  criminals  stand trial. but the law  today is EU/US; thus  most criminals  most likely will never face humanities to answer  for  their (mis)deeds.
in case  of  eventually  destruction of  the criminal state, most  ashkenazim will  flee.
in add'n, most  ashkenazim  live outside israel.
i hope  i have  explained my concerns. as said before, they r basic; ie, undefinable. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kim petersen,<br />
the crimes of  christo-ashkenazic  people  r too  numerous  to enumerate.<br />
let&#8217;s  go down  to basics.  when  shaken or in doubt  i choose  simplicity  over comlexity; ie, i  go  to basics.<br />
eg, US  has no right  to attack  another land no matter what  prediction, rationalization, demonization, evocation of perils, etc.  US  makes.<br />
in case  of w&#8217;jewry/christian-pals/arab/muslim conflict, it is to me of utmost import that we never reward  people like  ben gurion, rabin, sharon and their numerous partners  in  crimes some of which  r unique such  as  child-,woman, and manhunt.<br />
i  know of no such  precendent. even  some christians r now  horrified ab it.<br />
so, we  reward  them  as  league of nations and UN prior to &#8216;49 had done.<br />
even a two-state &#8217;sol&#8217;n&#8217;  amounts to rewarding  some of the worst war criminals we&#8217;v ever had.<br />
nat, i wd  prefer  all  criminals  stand trial. but the law  today is EU/US; thus  most criminals  most likely will never face humanities to answer  for  their (mis)deeds.<br />
in case  of  eventually  destruction of  the criminal state, most  ashkenazim will  flee.<br />
in add&#8217;n, most  ashkenazim  live outside israel.<br />
i hope  i have  explained my concerns. as said before, they r basic; ie, undefinable. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Immorality: The morality of those having a better time."
Mencken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Immorality: The morality of those having a better time.&#8221;<br />
Mencken</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
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		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem is ... one man's definition of "principles and morality" (doctrine and conduct) may be at odds with another man's definition. 

One man's idea of  progress and justice may interfere with another man's definition. For example - who am I, or you, or anyone to tell believers in clitorectomy they are morally and socially ignorant and unjust? Is that practice any more backassward than women who pay to have silicone shoved under their chest wall and into their lips?

It's puerile to think stinginess and borders are what divides. You could erase borders tomorrow and grant unlimited freedom of movement - and most of the human race would still divide itself by  race, religion, dogma, politics, social class, income, age, gender, sexual orientation, personal proclivities, etc. etc. 

And then, what to do, what to do - with the millions among us who are completely devoid of principles and morality? Those millions who have no sense of connection to humanity outside their own personal circle jerk.

An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it is also more nourishing. -H. L. Mencken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem is &#8230; one man&#8217;s definition of &#8220;principles and morality&#8221; (doctrine and conduct) may be at odds with another man&#8217;s definition. </p>
<p>One man&#8217;s idea of  progress and justice may interfere with another man&#8217;s definition. For example - who am I, or you, or anyone to tell believers in clitorectomy they are morally and socially ignorant and unjust? Is that practice any more backassward than women who pay to have silicone shoved under their chest wall and into their lips?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s puerile to think stinginess and borders are what divides. You could erase borders tomorrow and grant unlimited freedom of movement - and most of the human race would still divide itself by  race, religion, dogma, politics, social class, income, age, gender, sexual orientation, personal proclivities, etc. etc. </p>
<p>And then, what to do, what to do - with the millions among us who are completely devoid of principles and morality? Those millions who have no sense of connection to humanity outside their own personal circle jerk.</p>
<p>An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it is also more nourishing. -H. L. Mencken.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/zionism%e2%80%99s-dead-end/#comment-23059</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to some comments in this thread: the fight for justice and against racism toward Palestinians  must not be carried out by evoking another racism. All forms of racism are abhorrent. Progressivism and social justice mean nothing if principles and morality are not adhered to.

Furthermore, sending people back to where they originated is no solution either. It is  unprincipled. We are all humans. Many of us are curious what lies elsewhere. Freedom of movement is a right. National borders serve to divide humanity, and encourage some people to greedily hang on to resources and wealth that lie within borders instead of sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to some comments in this thread: the fight for justice and against racism toward Palestinians  must not be carried out by evoking another racism. All forms of racism are abhorrent. Progressivism and social justice mean nothing if principles and morality are not adhered to.</p>
<p>Furthermore, sending people back to where they originated is no solution either. It is  unprincipled. We are all humans. Many of us are curious what lies elsewhere. Freedom of movement is a right. National borders serve to divide humanity, and encourage some people to greedily hang on to resources and wealth that lie within borders instead of sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/zionism%e2%80%99s-dead-end/#comment-23056</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan e, whatever it is, it will ultimately amount to psychopathic miscreant-ism.
It always does. Why would 'next time' be any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan e, whatever it is, it will ultimately amount to psychopathic miscreant-ism.<br />
It always does. Why would &#8216;next time&#8217; be any different?</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/zionism%e2%80%99s-dead-end/#comment-23055</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan e,
according to historians i read,  hitler in early 30s  wanted jews out of germany. thus he suggested ashkenazic people (an euro-asian folk who latched onto zionism/judaism)  settle in madagaskar.
the final sol'n idea came later.
by judenfrei (german for free of jews) i mean that ashkenazic people now living in israel should be expelled  back to europe and elsewhere.
i have no objection to mizrahic jews staying in expalestine.
mizrahic people r pure semites.
they may also be pure jews.   be it as it may, jews have lived continuously in that region for possibly 3td yrs.
thus have the right  to remain.  they r culturally similar to arabs  and pals as well.
i am s'mwhat surprised  that it never dawned on me  that the " judenfrei" wd be interpreted that i meant  to slaughter all  israelites.
thank u for  bringing up  the confusion. my apology to u. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan e,<br />
according to historians i read,  hitler in early 30s  wanted jews out of germany. thus he suggested ashkenazic people (an euro-asian folk who latched onto zionism/judaism)  settle in madagaskar.<br />
the final sol&#8217;n idea came later.<br />
by judenfrei (german for free of jews) i mean that ashkenazic people now living in israel should be expelled  back to europe and elsewhere.<br />
i have no objection to mizrahic jews staying in expalestine.<br />
mizrahic people r pure semites.<br />
they may also be pure jews.   be it as it may, jews have lived continuously in that region for possibly 3td yrs.<br />
thus have the right  to remain.  they r culturally similar to arabs  and pals as well.<br />
i am s&#8217;mwhat surprised  that it never dawned on me  that the &#8221; judenfrei&#8221; wd be interpreted that i meant  to slaughter all  israelites.<br />
thank u for  bringing up  the confusion. my apology to u. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/zionism%e2%80%99s-dead-end/#comment-23047</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baldizar B, I object to your use of the term "judenfrei". I'm sure you don't really mean what the term implies , that you want to kill all the Jews? Not that there are in my opinion more than a handful of completely innocent Israelis, but guilty parties must be held responsible for their criminal acts, not punished for their "Jewishness" or other ethnic/religious identity. 

Please clarify what you meant? Thank you. 

hp -- How about Tikkunism? Actually I think what we'll see will be called "Socialism" by its creators/recruiters/PR flaks, and be largely based on ideology now current among various soi-disant "Trotskyist" tribes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baldizar B, I object to your use of the term &#8220;judenfrei&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t really mean what the term implies , that you want to kill all the Jews? Not that there are in my opinion more than a handful of completely innocent Israelis, but guilty parties must be held responsible for their criminal acts, not punished for their &#8220;Jewishness&#8221; or other ethnic/religious identity. </p>
<p>Please clarify what you meant? Thank you. </p>
<p>hp &#8212; How about Tikkunism? Actually I think what we&#8217;ll see will be called &#8220;Socialism&#8221; by its creators/recruiters/PR flaks, and be largely based on ideology now current among various soi-disant &#8220;Trotskyist&#8221; tribes.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/zionism%e2%80%99s-dead-end/#comment-23017</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is what new "ism" will these psychopathic miscreants morph into next, when Zionism burns out or is extinguished?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is what new &#8220;ism&#8221; will these psychopathic miscreants morph into next, when Zionism burns out or is extinguished?</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/zionism%e2%80%99s-dead-end/#comment-23008</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent piece, an  elucidation by cook.
but  even  if  all  gazans  'leave'   and US  accepts it as  voluntary  exodus, israel  does not obtain  much  of  value.
it  wd have been still  too  tiny/poor, in danger.  in danger, because none of the  arabs wd ever  gladhand it.
being  hated, assiduously criticized/exposed by  at least 5bn ( and growing in number)  people is not  an easy  burden  to carry.
what they have sewn, they wd have reaped unless  they agree  to one-state sol'n.
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent piece, an  elucidation by cook.<br />
but  even  if  all  gazans  &#8216;leave&#8217;   and US  accepts it as  voluntary  exodus, israel  does not obtain  much  of  value.<br />
it  wd have been still  too  tiny/poor, in danger.  in danger, because none of the  arabs wd ever  gladhand it.<br />
being  hated, assiduously criticized/exposed by  at least 5bn ( and growing in number)  people is not  an easy  burden  to carry.<br />
what they have sewn, they wd have reaped unless  they agree  to one-state sol&#8217;n.<br />
thank u</p>
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