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		<title>By: Jeremy Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashley Smith has such a narrow focus on tactics to build an anti-war movement that he seems unable to "see the forest" by focusing on this one "tree". My suggestion to everyone seeking an end to war would be to keep asking WHY? and seek out a socialist/Marxist perspective on current affairs to determine what tactics and strategy are needed. (I will try to eliminate the vast mass of Bush, progressive and moralistic babble, to expose a thread of a socialist/Marxist argument.)
1. The Iraq war is but one example of the global imperialist thrust of the U.S. called the Project for the New American Century(PNAC). Why?
2 . The PNAC agenda: with the collapse of the Soviet Union 1991, the U.S. faced a
unique historical opportunity. The U.S. was the world's military super-power, twice as powerful as all other military powers on the planet.
     Thus PNAC argues,  the U.S. can impose this vast power to impose it's economic and political hegemony on the planet.  The PNAC, in it's Statement of Principles, explicity rejected traditional Conservatism (i.e. maintenance of the status quo) and promoted among globalized agenda to maximize profits for international capitalism. Most of the signatories of the PNAC "Statement" (such as Cheney, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Rumsfeld, Abrams,etc.) became part of the the Bush administration. The PNAC Agenda became the foreign policy of the U.S.
3. Why did the PNAC agenda become foreign policy? Because traditional U.S. capitalism (manufacturing)  had been on the decline since the 1970s. U.S. labor simply cannot compete against overseas labor (China0 when the labor costs are 1/10th or more costs in U.S.

The vast problems of the U.S. economy are the end result of the capitalist greed economics of the Bush gang: decline of the dollar, the stock market, the collapse of the housing market, unending stock market corruption, the total control of mass media, both political parties and candidates,  by these same crooks prevents any discussion of any alternative 
The U.S. labor movement has been in steady decline and is unable to organize against growing abandonment of working people by U.S. capital. Thus employers cut wages, benefits, conditions, etc. and the labor bureaucracy becomes a "business partner to U.S. capitalism".
4. What are the new ways of U.S. capitalism to make a fast and big buck?
U.S. capitalism, unable to competer against China, has transformed itself and it's strategies to make money.(not prioritized)
    a. globalization: some 40% of the profit of U.S. companies are now made overseas.
    b. abandonment of U.S. : move to China. Halliburton moves it's corporate offices to Dubai to escape taxes.
    c. slashing taxes: Every dollar given up by capital in the form of taxes is a dollar less profit.  Huge tax cuts for the wealthies, cutting funding for essential social services essential to the well-being of the vast majority of working people.
    d. Milititarism. The Military Industrial Complex is the great immediate money beneficiary to unending wars of the PNAC agenda.  Vast sums are disappeared and unaccountable. Unworkable "defense" systems. 
    3. Privatization: Privatization turns a government function created for the universal common good in to a money making business. Even the functions of the government are being privatized. Privatized armed forces (Blackwater) are established. Thousands of private companies are carrying out the PNAC agenda in Iraq. Over half the functions of the CIA are now "outsourced" (privatized), making one immeately wonder the value of such (self-serving?) intelligence.
    4. Treaties such as NAFTA, CAFTA, "free trade" treaties are being rammed down the throats of weak and impoverished countries. The effects of these treaties are to privatize the few efforts of (often corrupt) governments to comply with these treaties. (Thus massive immigration into U.S. from Mexico and Central America).
   5. The effect of unregulated, unchecked gangster capitalism is having it's effect world wide.
     GLOBAL WARMING: Bush has said that he would do nothing to stop profitable but polluting industry. Global warming is destroying the planet
and these people don't give a damn, seek to make profit from it.
     FOOD CRISES: commodities futures trading is driving the cost of food beyond the ability of millions.
    (I could go on about multiple crises) 
 THE FINAL POINT;   
THERE IS ONLY ONE STRATEGY TO ADDRESS THE MULTIPLE CRISES HUMANITY FACES (not just the Iraq war!
To end the Iraq war we must take the profit out of war, end corporate wars for profit.
To end Global Warming we must put polluters out of business and transition to a ecologically  sustainable economy.
ETC.ETC.ETC. 

TO IN ANY WAY DEAL WITH THE MULTIPLE CRISES FACING HAMANITY WE MUST END U.S. AND GLOBAL CAPITALISM.

Read the World Socialist Web Site daily for critical, fact based analysis of current affairs from a socialist perspective.   http://www.wsws.org



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley Smith has such a narrow focus on tactics to build an anti-war movement that he seems unable to &#8220;see the forest&#8221; by focusing on this one &#8220;tree&#8221;. My suggestion to everyone seeking an end to war would be to keep asking WHY? and seek out a socialist/Marxist perspective on current affairs to determine what tactics and strategy are needed. (I will try to eliminate the vast mass of Bush, progressive and moralistic babble, to expose a thread of a socialist/Marxist argument.)<br />
1. The Iraq war is but one example of the global imperialist thrust of the U.S. called the Project for the New American Century(PNAC). Why?<br />
2 . The PNAC agenda: with the collapse of the Soviet Union 1991, the U.S. faced a<br />
unique historical opportunity. The U.S. was the world&#8217;s military super-power, twice as powerful as all other military powers on the planet.<br />
     Thus PNAC argues,  the U.S. can impose this vast power to impose it&#8217;s economic and political hegemony on the planet.  The PNAC, in it&#8217;s Statement of Principles, explicity rejected traditional Conservatism (i.e. maintenance of the status quo) and promoted among globalized agenda to maximize profits for international capitalism. Most of the signatories of the PNAC &#8220;Statement&#8221; (such as Cheney, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Rumsfeld, Abrams,etc.) became part of the the Bush administration. The PNAC Agenda became the foreign policy of the U.S.<br />
3. Why did the PNAC agenda become foreign policy? Because traditional U.S. capitalism (manufacturing)  had been on the decline since the 1970s. U.S. labor simply cannot compete against overseas labor (China0 when the labor costs are 1/10th or more costs in U.S.</p>
<p>The vast problems of the U.S. economy are the end result of the capitalist greed economics of the Bush gang: decline of the dollar, the stock market, the collapse of the housing market, unending stock market corruption, the total control of mass media, both political parties and candidates,  by these same crooks prevents any discussion of any alternative<br />
The U.S. labor movement has been in steady decline and is unable to organize against growing abandonment of working people by U.S. capital. Thus employers cut wages, benefits, conditions, etc. and the labor bureaucracy becomes a &#8220;business partner to U.S. capitalism&#8221;.<br />
4. What are the new ways of U.S. capitalism to make a fast and big buck?<br />
U.S. capitalism, unable to competer against China, has transformed itself and it&#8217;s strategies to make money.(not prioritized)<br />
    a. globalization: some 40% of the profit of U.S. companies are now made overseas.<br />
    b. abandonment of U.S. : move to China. Halliburton moves it&#8217;s corporate offices to Dubai to escape taxes.<br />
    c. slashing taxes: Every dollar given up by capital in the form of taxes is a dollar less profit.  Huge tax cuts for the wealthies, cutting funding for essential social services essential to the well-being of the vast majority of working people.<br />
    d. Milititarism. The Military Industrial Complex is the great immediate money beneficiary to unending wars of the PNAC agenda.  Vast sums are disappeared and unaccountable. Unworkable &#8220;defense&#8221; systems.<br />
    3. Privatization: Privatization turns a government function created for the universal common good in to a money making business. Even the functions of the government are being privatized. Privatized armed forces (Blackwater) are established. Thousands of private companies are carrying out the PNAC agenda in Iraq. Over half the functions of the CIA are now &#8220;outsourced&#8221; (privatized), making one immeately wonder the value of such (self-serving?) intelligence.<br />
    4. Treaties such as NAFTA, CAFTA, &#8220;free trade&#8221; treaties are being rammed down the throats of weak and impoverished countries. The effects of these treaties are to privatize the few efforts of (often corrupt) governments to comply with these treaties. (Thus massive immigration into U.S. from Mexico and Central America).<br />
   5. The effect of unregulated, unchecked gangster capitalism is having it&#8217;s effect world wide.<br />
     GLOBAL WARMING: Bush has said that he would do nothing to stop profitable but polluting industry. Global warming is destroying the planet<br />
and these people don&#8217;t give a damn, seek to make profit from it.<br />
     FOOD CRISES: commodities futures trading is driving the cost of food beyond the ability of millions.<br />
    (I could go on about multiple crises)<br />
 THE FINAL POINT;<br />
THERE IS ONLY ONE STRATEGY TO ADDRESS THE MULTIPLE CRISES HUMANITY FACES (not just the Iraq war!<br />
To end the Iraq war we must take the profit out of war, end corporate wars for profit.<br />
To end Global Warming we must put polluters out of business and transition to a ecologically  sustainable economy.<br />
ETC.ETC.ETC. </p>
<p>TO IN ANY WAY DEAL WITH THE MULTIPLE CRISES FACING HAMANITY WE MUST END U.S. AND GLOBAL CAPITALISM.</p>
<p>Read the World Socialist Web Site daily for critical, fact based analysis of current affairs from a socialist perspective.   <a href="http://www.wsws.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsws.org</a></p>
<p>To</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Pell</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22957</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwin Pell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, you have a Ph.D. People in Egypt with Ph.D.s earn about $20,000 per year. A friend of a friend with a Ph.D. in polymer chemistry applied to GE Plastics for a job. They offered him a job at their new Shanghai Research Center at $1000 per month. Congratulations your Ph.D. entitles you to a good paying  job (by global standards) $12,000 to $20,000 per year.  Keep in mind without the Ph.D. Egyptian textile workers make $2 per day about $600 per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, you have a Ph.D. People in Egypt with Ph.D.s earn about $20,000 per year. A friend of a friend with a Ph.D. in polymer chemistry applied to GE Plastics for a job. They offered him a job at their new Shanghai Research Center at $1000 per month. Congratulations your Ph.D. entitles you to a good paying  job (by global standards) $12,000 to $20,000 per year.  Keep in mind without the Ph.D. Egyptian textile workers make $2 per day about $600 per year.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22943</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadbeat,
i'v just noticed that i responded to  JOHN WILKINSON  instead  to  DEADBEAT.
ab zionism!  it was very weak in 19th cent; ie, had no army.  it succeeded to  get  palestine  because  christo-capitalistic and communist lands and empires supported them w. arms; allowed illegal  immigration, etc. 
zionists on their own couldn't  have established  israel.
it wd  have not existed in '49 or today w/o massive econo-military-diplomatic help  from mainly  christian lands end empires.
israel, one may conclude, basing it  on above facts/conclusions, that israel/zionism is  as strong  as US/EU  wants to be.
communist lands supported zionists, i deduce,  because most of them were socialists.
israel  wd thus been a good foothold for spreading socialism and  communism.
broadly, people  don't  conclude or acqnowledge as fact  that israel is a US 51st  state. corrollary being, absoluteness ab its right to exist/expand. 
palestine, in my analyses, was the first stepping stone for not only all of asia but the planet.
zionism is evil; odious ideology.  but, i do not think  that it rules US  to the degree that  lostof people guess. ok, now, i'm merely guessing.
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadbeat,<br />
i&#8217;v just noticed that i responded to  JOHN WILKINSON  instead  to  DEADBEAT.<br />
ab zionism!  it was very weak in 19th cent; ie, had no army.  it succeeded to  get  palestine  because  christo-capitalistic and communist lands and empires supported them w. arms; allowed illegal  immigration, etc.<br />
zionists on their own couldn&#8217;t  have established  israel.<br />
it wd  have not existed in &#8216;49 or today w/o massive econo-military-diplomatic help  from mainly  christian lands end empires.<br />
israel, one may conclude, basing it  on above facts/conclusions, that israel/zionism is  as strong  as US/EU  wants to be.<br />
communist lands supported zionists, i deduce,  because most of them were socialists.<br />
israel  wd thus been a good foothold for spreading socialism and  communism.<br />
broadly, people  don&#8217;t  conclude or acqnowledge as fact  that israel is a US 51st  state. corrollary being, absoluteness ab its right to exist/expand.<br />
palestine, in my analyses, was the first stepping stone for not only all of asia but the planet.<br />
zionism is evil; odious ideology.  but, i do not think  that it rules US  to the degree that  lostof people guess. ok, now, i&#8217;m merely guessing.<br />
thank u</p>
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		<title>By: samson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22916</link>
		<dc:creator>samson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its an easy mistake to make to think that all of this is new.  Its the same mistake as thinking the past was all some glorious golden age.  I tend to pick up Zinn's People's History of the US to remind me it isn't all new.  And Chomsky is good at pointing out that US foreign policy largely hasn't changed since at least the end of WWI.  The reasons and the speeches change, but the actions don't.

It would be hard to talk of US Imperialism without talking about the Spanish-American war and the Phillipines, or even further back into 'manifest destiny' and the ethnic cleansing of the native tribes.  So yes, US Imperialism exists before 1948.

The bullshit used to con Americans into supporting paying for imperialism with their blood and treasure (to the benefit of the wealthy exploiters) is what changes from time to time.  The policy itself has remained rather constant for quite some time.

I'd say what's new is opposition to this in the US, but that would be wrong too.  Reading Mark Twain (the less promoted works) and learning about say the anti-war resisters during WWI help cure that misconception.

The post above mine makes a great point.  I'd paraphrase it as always think for yourself, and always question what you are told.  Try to learn from as many different people and sources as you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its an easy mistake to make to think that all of this is new.  Its the same mistake as thinking the past was all some glorious golden age.  I tend to pick up Zinn&#8217;s People&#8217;s History of the US to remind me it isn&#8217;t all new.  And Chomsky is good at pointing out that US foreign policy largely hasn&#8217;t changed since at least the end of WWI.  The reasons and the speeches change, but the actions don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It would be hard to talk of US Imperialism without talking about the Spanish-American war and the Phillipines, or even further back into &#8216;manifest destiny&#8217; and the ethnic cleansing of the native tribes.  So yes, US Imperialism exists before 1948.</p>
<p>The bullshit used to con Americans into supporting paying for imperialism with their blood and treasure (to the benefit of the wealthy exploiters) is what changes from time to time.  The policy itself has remained rather constant for quite some time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say what&#8217;s new is opposition to this in the US, but that would be wrong too.  Reading Mark Twain (the less promoted works) and learning about say the anti-war resisters during WWI help cure that misconception.</p>
<p>The post above mine makes a great point.  I&#8217;d paraphrase it as always think for yourself, and always question what you are told.  Try to learn from as many different people and sources as you can.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High heels, Max? Please explain? If you wanted to confuse me, you have. 

So your son is a Captain in the USMC? Okay, you admit to having failed as a parent. Well, nobody's perfect. 

However you keep making statements which can arise only out of A) ignorance indulged in to the pt of irresponsibility, or B) a bias in favor of Zionism caused by a personal tendency to identify with anything "Jewish". 

Who is it that claims Imperialism didn't exist before 1948? Certainly not myself or any of the sources I've cited on DV, like Jeff Blankfort, Dr Petras, Lenni Brenner, Glen Ford et al. If you examine the DV archives, you will note that I've many times railed about US expansionism, neocolonialism -- Didn't I coin the mot "Globalization the Highest Stage of Imperialism"?

But you give yourself away when you describe US Imperialism as a "policy". Anybody but a dumbass knows a policy is something that a government can change, but US Imperialism is embedded in the structure of the society itself. Embedded especially in the State Apparatus, political/financial/ideological -- but also in the folkways of much,  probably most, of the civilian population. Especially amongst those who see nothing shameful about having a son who is a Captain in the Marines. 

So nothing wrong with exposing history of US Imperialism, which actually predates the US Constitution, except that the term in its modern/post-Ulanov meaning is inapplicable to the pre-Industrial period.
Matter of fact, I myself first consciously joined in what was known then as the "anti-Imperialist Movement" in the early sixties, tailing along after various then-Maoists &#38; "Marxist-Leninists" like John Ross &#38; Bob Scheer, even non-Leninist Doug Dowd. In the seventies Oil Shock I spent a lot of time/effort trying to understand Big Oil, the Seven Sisters, reading Ida Tarbell, corresponding with Barry Weisberg who was maybe the most knowledgeable writer then on Petro-related matters. 

So if you are opposed to US Imperialism, we are on the same page; same page that is until you start trying to use the phrase "imperialism" or "capitalism" to divert attention from the actual state of affairs right now today, when the Imperialist State Apparatus has been taken over lock stock &#38; Bomb Tehran Now by the Zionist Power Configuration, who want you to think Big Oil brought about the invasion/occupation of Iraq when Big Jewry has been planning same since Reagan Admn if not before. 
We are urged to engage in Civilly Disobedient Direct Action at Chevron HQ, but if we so much as mention the Walt/Mearsheimer study, writings of Jeff Blankfort (cf. Leftcurve 2003, "A War For Israel"), Jas Petras, Kathy Christison, Gilad Atzmon, Lenni Brenner, Hatem Bazian, why then were a bunch of "dumbasses". 
The fact is, "Max", that all this stuff is on record. Your arguments are old, tired, been refuted dozens of times if not hundreds. But may still have some appeal for newbies just emerging from MSM brainwashing, so herewith a pull of the coat to any such folks: you need to look beyond this diversionary nonsense "Max" is peddling, and do your own homework. Don't accept any one version of reality no matter how impressed you are. Don't buy any of the "standard" analyses, until you've checked out all you can find, understood them on their own terms, &#38; compared them with each other and your own experience. 

Assume Nothing, cause it ain't that simple:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High heels, Max? Please explain? If you wanted to confuse me, you have. </p>
<p>So your son is a Captain in the USMC? Okay, you admit to having failed as a parent. Well, nobody&#8217;s perfect. </p>
<p>However you keep making statements which can arise only out of A) ignorance indulged in to the pt of irresponsibility, or B) a bias in favor of Zionism caused by a personal tendency to identify with anything &#8220;Jewish&#8221;. </p>
<p>Who is it that claims Imperialism didn&#8217;t exist before 1948? Certainly not myself or any of the sources I&#8217;ve cited on DV, like Jeff Blankfort, Dr Petras, Lenni Brenner, Glen Ford et al. If you examine the DV archives, you will note that I&#8217;ve many times railed about US expansionism, neocolonialism &#8212; Didn&#8217;t I coin the mot &#8220;Globalization the Highest Stage of Imperialism&#8221;?</p>
<p>But you give yourself away when you describe US Imperialism as a &#8220;policy&#8221;. Anybody but a dumbass knows a policy is something that a government can change, but US Imperialism is embedded in the structure of the society itself. Embedded especially in the State Apparatus, political/financial/ideological &#8212; but also in the folkways of much,  probably most, of the civilian population. Especially amongst those who see nothing shameful about having a son who is a Captain in the Marines. </p>
<p>So nothing wrong with exposing history of US Imperialism, which actually predates the US Constitution, except that the term in its modern/post-Ulanov meaning is inapplicable to the pre-Industrial period.<br />
Matter of fact, I myself first consciously joined in what was known then as the &#8220;anti-Imperialist Movement&#8221; in the early sixties, tailing along after various then-Maoists &amp; &#8220;Marxist-Leninists&#8221; like John Ross &amp; Bob Scheer, even non-Leninist Doug Dowd. In the seventies Oil Shock I spent a lot of time/effort trying to understand Big Oil, the Seven Sisters, reading Ida Tarbell, corresponding with Barry Weisberg who was maybe the most knowledgeable writer then on Petro-related matters. </p>
<p>So if you are opposed to US Imperialism, we are on the same page; same page that is until you start trying to use the phrase &#8220;imperialism&#8221; or &#8220;capitalism&#8221; to divert attention from the actual state of affairs right now today, when the Imperialist State Apparatus has been taken over lock stock &amp; Bomb Tehran Now by the Zionist Power Configuration, who want you to think Big Oil brought about the invasion/occupation of Iraq when Big Jewry has been planning same since Reagan Admn if not before.<br />
We are urged to engage in Civilly Disobedient Direct Action at Chevron HQ, but if we so much as mention the Walt/Mearsheimer study, writings of Jeff Blankfort (cf. Leftcurve 2003, &#8220;A War For Israel&#8221;), Jas Petras, Kathy Christison, Gilad Atzmon, Lenni Brenner, Hatem Bazian, why then were a bunch of &#8220;dumbasses&#8221;.<br />
The fact is, &#8220;Max&#8221;, that all this stuff is on record. Your arguments are old, tired, been refuted dozens of times if not hundreds. But may still have some appeal for newbies just emerging from MSM brainwashing, so herewith a pull of the coat to any such folks: you need to look beyond this diversionary nonsense &#8220;Max&#8221; is peddling, and do your own homework. Don&#8217;t accept any one version of reality no matter how impressed you are. Don&#8217;t buy any of the &#8220;standard&#8221; analyses, until you&#8217;ve checked out all you can find, understood them on their own terms, &amp; compared them with each other and your own experience. </p>
<p>Assume Nothing, cause it ain&#8217;t that simple:)</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>john  wilkinson, 
i  said  "it is  not clear  to me how much  influnce  aipac exerts  on US  foreign policy.
remember, i said  "to me".  if u  know  or it's clear to u how much power aipac has, then u can  enlighten us.
tacitly  u posit  that  u know! or am i  mistaken?
"not clear to me"  implies that i don't know. perhaps i cd have been that explicit: i do not know.
true, i do not  have proof/evidence that  zionism/aipac do not rule  america to the degree that  they get the last word or  can tell/order a prez  to do what they wish for.
we need more study  ab the relationshp btwn aipac/isr  and US.
u obviously  haven't   read  my posts in which i talk ab  zionism. let me please tell u what i think  ab zionism?
after  nazism,  zionism to me  is the evilest  ism  mankid had to face to date.  
"giving racism  a free  pass" . wd  u care  to elucidate me ab this utterance? honestly, i'm not being sarcastic. i realy don't know!
i read petras' pieces. i'm not hapy  w. chomsky since he, to me, is a mini zionist;ie, wants two states; i want only one.
by being for two state  'sol'n',  one wd  reward numerous zionist crimes.
some of their crimes r  unique: child-, woman-, manhunting; kidnapping, bulldozing orchards, holding peope in jails, stealing land daily; ashkenazic hate/disdain  for all of us etcetc. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>john  wilkinson,<br />
i  said  &#8220;it is  not clear  to me how much  influnce  aipac exerts  on US  foreign policy.<br />
remember, i said  &#8220;to me&#8221;.  if u  know  or it&#8217;s clear to u how much power aipac has, then u can  enlighten us.<br />
tacitly  u posit  that  u know! or am i  mistaken?<br />
&#8220;not clear to me&#8221;  implies that i don&#8217;t know. perhaps i cd have been that explicit: i do not know.<br />
true, i do not  have proof/evidence that  zionism/aipac do not rule  america to the degree that  they get the last word or  can tell/order a prez  to do what they wish for.<br />
we need more study  ab the relationshp btwn aipac/isr  and US.<br />
u obviously  haven&#8217;t   read  my posts in which i talk ab  zionism. let me please tell u what i think  ab zionism?<br />
after  nazism,  zionism to me  is the evilest  ism  mankid had to face to date.<br />
&#8220;giving racism  a free  pass&#8221; . wd  u care  to elucidate me ab this utterance? honestly, i&#8217;m not being sarcastic. i realy don&#8217;t know!<br />
i read petras&#8217; pieces. i&#8217;m not hapy  w. chomsky since he, to me, is a mini zionist;ie, wants two states; i want only one.<br />
by being for two state  &#8217;sol&#8217;n',  one wd  reward numerous zionist crimes.<br />
some of their crimes r  unique: child-, woman-, manhunting; kidnapping, bulldozing orchards, holding peope in jails, stealing land daily; ashkenazic hate/disdain  for all of us etcetc. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people on DV act as if"
1. US policy of imperialism never existed before 1948
2. Anyone who mentions the fact that it does pre-date 1948 is labeled (in so many words) a zionist sympathizer.

Additional, this bad faith argument about the "left" this and the "left" that and I'm above all that because I was born dirt poor but by son is a capitain in the marines and I have a phd but live in the middle of a crime riddled neighborhood that you dumbasses couldn't begin to understand what it's all about 'cause you aint lived until you've walked a mile in my high-heels (which I can't afford to by, even with my PHD in hand). Can you dig? IS BORING!! (hint hint)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people on DV act as if&#8221;<br />
1. US policy of imperialism never existed before 1948<br />
2. Anyone who mentions the fact that it does pre-date 1948 is labeled (in so many words) a zionist sympathizer.</p>
<p>Additional, this bad faith argument about the &#8220;left&#8221; this and the &#8220;left&#8221; that and I&#8217;m above all that because I was born dirt poor but by son is a capitain in the marines and I have a phd but live in the middle of a crime riddled neighborhood that you dumbasses couldn&#8217;t begin to understand what it&#8217;s all about &#8217;cause you aint lived until you&#8217;ve walked a mile in my high-heels (which I can&#8217;t afford to by, even with my PHD in hand). Can you dig? IS BORING!! (hint hint)</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job, Deadbeat. can find no nit to pick.

BTW, anyone who has watched the DVD of the U of SF debate between Zunes, Jeff Blankfort &#38; Hatem Bazian will realize that Zunes is intellectually a clown, who abandoned all effort to argue the question which was the basis of the debate, and resorted to rambling about what a good guy he'd been on various issues in the past. Alas, Khalil Bendib who was moderating let him get away with it, but Joe Anderson didn't. 

One telltale inclusion in A. Smith's rap was the praise for Miltary Families Speak Out. My experience "coalitioning" with MSFO has taught me to regard the outfit as the DOD's nose in the tent, people who see nothing wrong with US Militarism, Expansionism, Colonialism in general but oppose US policy re Iraq because they're worried about a Loved One. 
I've tended to be supportive of ANSWER vs UFPJ et al, but it's worth noting that ANSWER core outfits like PSL/people like Becker Bros uphold the same War For Oil version of  reality as Chompsky, Zunes, Plitnick &#38; the rest of the "Progressive Zionists". (how's that for an oxymoron?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job, Deadbeat. can find no nit to pick.</p>
<p>BTW, anyone who has watched the DVD of the U of SF debate between Zunes, Jeff Blankfort &amp; Hatem Bazian will realize that Zunes is intellectually a clown, who abandoned all effort to argue the question which was the basis of the debate, and resorted to rambling about what a good guy he&#8217;d been on various issues in the past. Alas, Khalil Bendib who was moderating let him get away with it, but Joe Anderson didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>One telltale inclusion in A. Smith&#8217;s rap was the praise for Miltary Families Speak Out. My experience &#8220;coalitioning&#8221; with MSFO has taught me to regard the outfit as the DOD&#8217;s nose in the tent, people who see nothing wrong with US Militarism, Expansionism, Colonialism in general but oppose US policy re Iraq because they&#8217;re worried about a Loved One.<br />
I&#8217;ve tended to be supportive of ANSWER vs UFPJ et al, but it&#8217;s worth noting that ANSWER core outfits like PSL/people like Becker Bros uphold the same War For Oil version of  reality as Chompsky, Zunes, Plitnick &amp; the rest of the &#8220;Progressive Zionists&#8221;. (how&#8217;s that for an oxymoron?)</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I would suggest that bozhidar start reading James Petras, Jeff Blankfort, and others..."

I was generally in agreement with you until this line.  More personality cult.  Petras' recent article in DV, on which I commented was full of holes, obfuscations, distortions, fabrications.  None of you on the left like the FACTS, wherever they may land.  If it conflicts with your pet theory (or what you're told by the big cheese  on top) ignore it, or twist it around.

though i generally agree w/ u wrt zionism, israel, etc.  they're being stupid and haven't learnt anything from history, re backlash, etc.  (not that I approve of anything that happened to them anymore than I approve of what they're doing to others, including us).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would suggest that bozhidar start reading James Petras, Jeff Blankfort, and others&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I was generally in agreement with you until this line.  More personality cult.  Petras&#8217; recent article in DV, on which I commented was full of holes, obfuscations, distortions, fabrications.  None of you on the left like the FACTS, wherever they may land.  If it conflicts with your pet theory (or what you&#8217;re told by the big cheese  on top) ignore it, or twist it around.</p>
<p>though i generally agree w/ u wrt zionism, israel, etc.  they&#8217;re being stupid and haven&#8217;t learnt anything from history, re backlash, etc.  (not that I approve of anything that happened to them anymore than I approve of what they&#8217;re doing to others, including us).</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozhidar balkas writes...
&lt;i&gt;deadbeat,
it’s unclear to me how much influence aipac or zionist on US longstanding policy of expansion exert.
let’s remember that US had expanded by warfare for at least a cent before zionists were demanding palestine for selves.
the reason aipac/zionists look so intimidating/mighty be, i guess, because all or most world plutocrats support them and approbate their crimes.
and the econo-military-diplomatic power is in the money and not to be found among hobos, housewives, workers, et al.
plutocrats in US control cia, city police, armed services, fbi, the 4 houses: senate, house of reps, WH, and the house of horrors (planet)
i evaluate zionst lobby of some importance but may not be decisive.
it could be even assumed that world plutos use jews. it could be assumed that plutos may abandon jews one day. thank u&lt;/i&gt;

bozhidar asserts that the power and influence of Zionism is "unclear" without any basis or evidence to support his claim.  His main argument is because the U.S. has a history of warfare that the current war in Iraq is just part of the "continuum".  This is the argument that being touted by Chomsky and Ms. Smith.  This line of argument is being spun today solely to obfuscate Zionism's influence in U.S. imperialism today.  

What bozhidar is doing is essentially giving RACISM as pass.  By not confronting Zionism the respondent is clearly unwilling to challenge imperialism.  The reason why the anti-war movement demobilized was because there were voices in the movement who were willing to bring up the root cause of U.S. Imperialism today -- Zionism .

The absurdity of this line of argument would be like telling Blacks they are wasting their time fighting racism when they should have been fighting "imperialism".  This illustrates the "obfuscatory" and esoteric aspect of such a stance.  The issue and FEAR illustrated by bozhidar is the response of the ruling class RATHER than clarity for the masses of the current epoch to get them into ACTION.

I would suggest that bozhidar start reading James Petras, Jeff Blankfort, and others who have address this topic rather than reading and listening to Noam Chomsky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozhidar balkas writes&#8230;<br />
<i>deadbeat,<br />
it’s unclear to me how much influence aipac or zionist on US longstanding policy of expansion exert.<br />
let’s remember that US had expanded by warfare for at least a cent before zionists were demanding palestine for selves.<br />
the reason aipac/zionists look so intimidating/mighty be, i guess, because all or most world plutocrats support them and approbate their crimes.<br />
and the econo-military-diplomatic power is in the money and not to be found among hobos, housewives, workers, et al.<br />
plutocrats in US control cia, city police, armed services, fbi, the 4 houses: senate, house of reps, WH, and the house of horrors (planet)<br />
i evaluate zionst lobby of some importance but may not be decisive.<br />
it could be even assumed that world plutos use jews. it could be assumed that plutos may abandon jews one day. thank u</i></p>
<p>bozhidar asserts that the power and influence of Zionism is &#8220;unclear&#8221; without any basis or evidence to support his claim.  His main argument is because the U.S. has a history of warfare that the current war in Iraq is just part of the &#8220;continuum&#8221;.  This is the argument that being touted by Chomsky and Ms. Smith.  This line of argument is being spun today solely to obfuscate Zionism&#8217;s influence in U.S. imperialism today.  </p>
<p>What bozhidar is doing is essentially giving RACISM as pass.  By not confronting Zionism the respondent is clearly unwilling to challenge imperialism.  The reason why the anti-war movement demobilized was because there were voices in the movement who were willing to bring up the root cause of U.S. Imperialism today &#8212; Zionism .</p>
<p>The absurdity of this line of argument would be like telling Blacks they are wasting their time fighting racism when they should have been fighting &#8220;imperialism&#8221;.  This illustrates the &#8220;obfuscatory&#8221; and esoteric aspect of such a stance.  The issue and FEAR illustrated by bozhidar is the response of the ruling class RATHER than clarity for the masses of the current epoch to get them into ACTION.</p>
<p>I would suggest that bozhidar start reading James Petras, Jeff Blankfort, and others who have address this topic rather than reading and listening to Noam Chomsky.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22872</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marklar,
 good advice.  i write a lot but i also  have  distributed  antiwar leaflets   in jan '03 and later. i'm also  a  member  of  StopWar.ca, a vancouver  org.
it is  essential, that  we do not commit  violenet acts.
we'r still  holding  protests  against  canadian aggression against afgh'n.
we also yearly protest  war crimes by  zionistss and US.
since  middle  class and religions, broadly, always side w. the ruling class, we need to boycott  their  stores and  speak w. religius people or boycott their  business  or what have u.
don't let them  enjoy  peace of mind  while they approbate  horrendous crimes  against  civs and children.
i no longer see  my dentist, a  jew, who may be a zionist. i didn't ask. and i don't care.
fight'em!  
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marklar,<br />
 good advice.  i write a lot but i also  have  distributed  antiwar leaflets   in jan &#8216;03 and later. i&#8217;m also  a  member  of  StopWar.ca, a vancouver  org.<br />
it is  essential, that  we do not commit  violenet acts.<br />
we&#8217;r still  holding  protests  against  canadian aggression against afgh&#8217;n.<br />
we also yearly protest  war crimes by  zionistss and US.<br />
since  middle  class and religions, broadly, always side w. the ruling class, we need to boycott  their  stores and  speak w. religius people or boycott their  business  or what have u.<br />
don&#8217;t let them  enjoy  peace of mind  while they approbate  horrendous crimes  against  civs and children.<br />
i no longer see  my dentist, a  jew, who may be a zionist. i didn&#8217;t ask. and i don&#8217;t care.<br />
fight&#8217;em!<br />
thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Marklar</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22870</link>
		<dc:creator>Marklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is to quit wasting your breath and start fighting the civil war here at home instead of the war in Iraq. It has gotten to the point where even the most idiotic and ill-informed can smell the murderous fascism in the wind even if they don't know just what it is that they smell.

YOUR life is in imminent danger. If you do not win the war at home the Iraq war will go on forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is to quit wasting your breath and start fighting the civil war here at home instead of the war in Iraq. It has gotten to the point where even the most idiotic and ill-informed can smell the murderous fascism in the wind even if they don&#8217;t know just what it is that they smell.</p>
<p>YOUR life is in imminent danger. If you do not win the war at home the Iraq war will go on forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Writers write of the sixties. They would do well to remember, there was no anti war movement. It was a pro peace movement, which made it successful.</description>
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		<title>By: samson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22846</link>
		<dc:creator>samson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I like what I call the "winston churchill" antiwar strategy.

Fight them.  Fight them on the beaches.  Fight them in the fields.  Fight them in the streets.  Fight them in the schools.  Fight them in county commissions.  Fight them in the Congress.  Fight them any way we can.

We spend to much time trying to argue what's the best strategy.  Get out and start fighting.  Stage a protest.  Organize a movement.  If you got a chance to make a statement, make it.  If you got a chance to land a blow, land it.  

Don't spend so much time trying to decide if making a statement at this time is the proper strategy.  Stop holding meetings to determine the best antiwar strategy.  

If you got an idea, try it.  If it works, try it again.  If you see someone else doing something that seems to work, copy it.  If you got a chance to do something, do it.  Just stop talking about it.  Go do it.  See what works.  Keep doing what works.  Stop doing something that doesn't work.

(Note:  I'm a believer in non-violence, who believes violent acts always make things worse.  So, above when I say 'fight', I'm paraphrasing Churchill's famous speech and speaking figuratively.  I'm not recommending any violent acts.  But that's just my own opinion of what works and what doesn't.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I like what I call the &#8220;winston churchill&#8221; antiwar strategy.</p>
<p>Fight them.  Fight them on the beaches.  Fight them in the fields.  Fight them in the streets.  Fight them in the schools.  Fight them in county commissions.  Fight them in the Congress.  Fight them any way we can.</p>
<p>We spend to much time trying to argue what&#8217;s the best strategy.  Get out and start fighting.  Stage a protest.  Organize a movement.  If you got a chance to make a statement, make it.  If you got a chance to land a blow, land it.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t spend so much time trying to decide if making a statement at this time is the proper strategy.  Stop holding meetings to determine the best antiwar strategy.  </p>
<p>If you got an idea, try it.  If it works, try it again.  If you see someone else doing something that seems to work, copy it.  If you got a chance to do something, do it.  Just stop talking about it.  Go do it.  See what works.  Keep doing what works.  Stop doing something that doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>(Note:  I&#8217;m a believer in non-violence, who believes violent acts always make things worse.  So, above when I say &#8216;fight&#8217;, I&#8217;m paraphrasing Churchill&#8217;s famous speech and speaking figuratively.  I&#8217;m not recommending any violent acts.  But that&#8217;s just my own opinion of what works and what doesn&#8217;t.)</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
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		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giorgio-
Compiled by phreadom.blogspot.com? Come on, anyone can be a blogger and "compile" figures. Even I have a site at blogspot.com and compile. Sometimes I pile it on real high.

Ishmael, counterpunch, nor Obama are my heroes. If you look at "sk"'s link Back to the Future - Obama is nothing more than putting a brown face on the Clinton/Bush dynasty. 

Although I do agree black fathers need to take responsibility - but then that would cut into the progressive victim of oppression industry aka "It Ain't Yo Fault Yoo Ignant &#38; Dem Babies Dont Need No Daddies". Gotta keep makin' babies for the massah's  plantation prisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giorgio-<br />
Compiled by phreadom.blogspot.com? Come on, anyone can be a blogger and &#8220;compile&#8221; figures. Even I have a site at blogspot.com and compile. Sometimes I pile it on real high.</p>
<p>Ishmael, counterpunch, nor Obama are my heroes. If you look at &#8220;sk&#8221;&#8217;s link Back to the Future - Obama is nothing more than putting a brown face on the Clinton/Bush dynasty. </p>
<p>Although I do agree black fathers need to take responsibility - but then that would cut into the progressive victim of oppression industry aka &#8220;It Ain&#8217;t Yo Fault Yoo Ignant &amp; Dem Babies Dont Need No Daddies&#8221;. Gotta keep makin&#8217; babies for the massah&#8217;s  plantation prisons.</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22836</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evie,

Is this your hero?

"It’s obvious by now that Barack Obama is treating black Americans like one treats a demented uncle, brought out  from his room to be ridiculed and scolded before company from time to time, the old Clinton Sistah Souljah strategy borrowed from Clinton’s first presidential campaign when he traveled the country criticizing the personal morality of blacks and wooing white voters by objecting to what he considered anti -white lyrics sung by rapper Sistah Souljah. 

As in Clinton’s case, Obama’s June 14th finger wagging at black men was a case of pandering to white conservative voters...."

Article's opening lines in www.counterpunch.org  titled,

Obama Scolds Black Fathers, Gets Bounce in Polls
 
By ISHMAEL REED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evie,</p>
<p>Is this your hero?</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s obvious by now that Barack Obama is treating black Americans like one treats a demented uncle, brought out  from his room to be ridiculed and scolded before company from time to time, the old Clinton Sistah Souljah strategy borrowed from Clinton’s first presidential campaign when he traveled the country criticizing the personal morality of blacks and wooing white voters by objecting to what he considered anti -white lyrics sung by rapper Sistah Souljah. </p>
<p>As in Clinton’s case, Obama’s June 14th finger wagging at black men was a case of pandering to white conservative voters&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Article&#8217;s opening lines in <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org</a>  titled,</p>
<p>Obama Scolds Black Fathers, Gets Bounce in Polls</p>
<p>By ISHMAEL REED</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22833</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evie,

Little to crow about?

Military contributions for Q2 
Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
John McCain 18.31%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%
Mitt Romney 4.05%
John Edwards 2.63%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Chris Dodd 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%
Source: Finance Reports for the 2007 July Quarterly and compiled by Phreadom. Visit phreadom.blogspot.com for more detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evie,</p>
<p>Little to crow about?</p>
<p>Military contributions for Q2<br />
Ron Paul 26.23%<br />
Barack Obama 24.02%<br />
John McCain 18.31%<br />
Hillary Clinton 11.08%<br />
Bill Richardson 5.59%<br />
Mitt Romney 4.05%<br />
John Edwards 2.63%<br />
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%<br />
Mike Huckabee 1.84%<br />
Tom Tancredo 1.63%<br />
Duncan Hunter 1.05%<br />
Joe Biden 0.84%<br />
Mike Gravel 0.16%<br />
Sam Brownback 0.07%<br />
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%<br />
Tommy Thompson 0%<br />
Chris Dodd 0%<br />
Jim Gilmore 0%<br />
John Cox 0%<br />
Source: Finance Reports for the 2007 July Quarterly and compiled by Phreadom. Visit phreadom.blogspot.com for more detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Pell</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22826</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwin Pell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the owning class in in Iraq for the oil. There actions are systematic and clear. Other parts of the owning class are drunk they are there to liberate Iraq one day and to kill terrorists the next, to hand out coloring books one day and to randomly shoot Iraqi for fun the next day. They are servants of God one day and servants of Satan the next day. Dick Cheney is there for the oil. George Bush does not know why he is there. Dick Cheney knows he is hated and does not care. George Bush fears he is hated and is confused and disappointed and does not know why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the owning class in in Iraq for the oil. There actions are systematic and clear. Other parts of the owning class are drunk they are there to liberate Iraq one day and to kill terrorists the next, to hand out coloring books one day and to randomly shoot Iraqi for fun the next day. They are servants of God one day and servants of Satan the next day. Dick Cheney is there for the oil. George Bush does not know why he is there. Dick Cheney knows he is hated and does not care. George Bush fears he is hated and is confused and disappointed and does not know why.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22824</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadbeat,
it's unclear to me how much  influence  aipac or zionist on US  longstanding  policy of expansion exert.
let's remember that US  had  expanded by warfare for at least  a cent before zionists were demanding palestine for selves.
the reason  aipac/zionists  look so  intimidating/mighty be, i guess, because all or most world plutocrats  support them  and approbate their crimes.
and the econo-military-diplomatic power  is  in the money and not to be found among hobos, housewives, workers, et al.
plutocrats in US  control  cia, city police, armed services, fbi, the 4 houses: senate, house of reps, WH, and the house of horrors (planet)
i evaluate zionst lobby of some importance but may not be decisive.
it could be even assumed that world plutos use  jews. it could be assumed that plutos may abandon jews one day. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadbeat,<br />
it&#8217;s unclear to me how much  influence  aipac or zionist on US  longstanding  policy of expansion exert.<br />
let&#8217;s remember that US  had  expanded by warfare for at least  a cent before zionists were demanding palestine for selves.<br />
the reason  aipac/zionists  look so  intimidating/mighty be, i guess, because all or most world plutocrats  support them  and approbate their crimes.<br />
and the econo-military-diplomatic power  is  in the money and not to be found among hobos, housewives, workers, et al.<br />
plutocrats in US  control  cia, city police, armed services, fbi, the 4 houses: senate, house of reps, WH, and the house of horrors (planet)<br />
i evaluate zionst lobby of some importance but may not be decisive.<br />
it could be even assumed that world plutos use  jews. it could be assumed that plutos may abandon jews one day. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/which-way-forward-for-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-22821</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ashley omits  two very  imporatant  factors in  US  quest for more lands.
of the greatest  importance to what is going on in iraq/ afghanistan/palestine is  the fact  that  the planet  had  never been  poorer.
 second most important fact in  undedrstanding  US  frenzy for more land is  that  we have  now ab 6.5bn  people on this palnet.
and world  plutocrats, not just US b'naires,  do not want  to share diminishing  resources w.  most  people.
US  had been  imperialistic  for 2 cent's. it was  cruel  to the point it had to be; ie. obtain land w. minimum effort.  but the earth was  mighty rich  just a cent ago but no longer; thus greater effort, sacrifices, killings r necessary to expand.
people, like cornered rats, resist  now occupation w. greater violence than ever.
iraqis r not indigenes of the redlands.  neither will  iranians behave the same way as  the indigenous people.
so, US, will be  more  ferocious. let's forget about obama, clinton, mccain, bush, truman, et al; they do, i deduce, what their told to do. 
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ashley omits  two very  imporatant  factors in  US  quest for more lands.<br />
of the greatest  importance to what is going on in iraq/ afghanistan/palestine is  the fact  that  the planet  had  never been  poorer.<br />
 second most important fact in  undedrstanding  US  frenzy for more land is  that  we have  now ab 6.5bn  people on this palnet.<br />
and world  plutocrats, not just US b&#8217;naires,  do not want  to share diminishing  resources w.  most  people.<br />
US  had been  imperialistic  for 2 cent&#8217;s. it was  cruel  to the point it had to be; ie. obtain land w. minimum effort.  but the earth was  mighty rich  just a cent ago but no longer; thus greater effort, sacrifices, killings r necessary to expand.<br />
people, like cornered rats, resist  now occupation w. greater violence than ever.<br />
iraqis r not indigenes of the redlands.  neither will  iranians behave the same way as  the indigenous people.<br />
so, US, will be  more  ferocious. let&#8217;s forget about obama, clinton, mccain, bush, truman, et al; they do, i deduce, what their told to do.<br />
thank u</p>
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