Comments on: The Reality Behind the Disinformation and Propaganda of American Wars http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-reality-behind-the-disinformation-and-propaganda-of-american-wars/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:26:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Keter Darker http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-reality-behind-the-disinformation-and-propaganda-of-american-wars/#comment-21922 Keter Darker Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:45:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2115#comment-21922 the ideal of 18th century republicanism as the foundation to our modern form of american democratic republic governing body is an antiquated and baseless ideology of white/european male entitlement and privilege. the reality of this situation is not behind the disinformation propagated, or american imperialist propaganda. but indeed it is right in front of every person that participates willing within a corrupt political system. a corrupt political institution since its inception, where the principle terms are not fully understood by voting particpants. But most importantly due to this fact the authority has every ability and in their mind justication to brake the social contract that is the united states constitution. What we all have to see is that the myth of america is a lie, first and foremost. by its own language and terms every politicians was then and is now in breach of a social lockean contract. ironically lockean rights theory, which substaniates their very concept and belief of white euorpean males and the masters of the earth also stresses HUMAN RIGHTS. Which are not given by anyone or authority but is the state that "man" finds himself in nature with liberty to act independently and dispose of their property as they see fit. The question isn't of whether there is a conspiracy against the people unless you've removed yourself from the people and don't know their predicament. living consciously aware or not of this fact and the inherent privilege and entitlement therein. For the indigenous people of this land and Africans that were enslaved our entire existence has been misinformation. what liberals or conservatives know of our situtation is ergo susceptible to false truth values no matter how well their logic is formed. and as such this and this alone is the problem, those who are under the social definition of "white" don't question their "whiteness" as they {white/europeans males} historically never have been held accountable for their actions and crimes against humanity. the question when considered by those directly affected by america and marginalized by american social policies is the same question ironically plato and socrates asked. What is the value of democracy? in plato's republic we know the answer is that democracy is a cancer upon a society due in part to the possibility of unlimited liberties. so what is the answer? the questioning of "whiteness" as a western social construct and those who are "white" must face the burden of guilt. whether your family owned slaves or not. whether you are an immigrant from europe, asia, latin america, or african. if you participate in this system believing in the fabled "American Dream" of gold roads, apple pie and milk you are a quintessential varible. more so than any misinformation and war propaganda. because in order for those actions to work people must first choose to be uncritical thinkers. when you consider the process of american social assimilation you must concede to the concept of what "whiteness" is in america, and the privileges and entitlement guaranteed those whom willingly choose to be ignorant due to ill critical thinking, false beliefs and diminished human rights values. And yet live off of the burden of people who aren't removed from imperialism but are the very cogs that make this machine move. I mean who is really going to war? Young Blacks and Latinos the very counterpart to the children soldiers around the world living and dying for nationalism. Proper Education Always Corrects Errors, keter the ideal of 18th century republicanism as the foundation to our modern form of american democratic republic governing body is an antiquated and baseless ideology of white/european male entitlement and privilege.
the reality of this situation is not behind the disinformation propagated, or american imperialist propaganda.
but indeed it is right in front of every person that participates willing within a corrupt political system. a corrupt political institution since its inception, where the principle terms are not fully understood by voting particpants. But most importantly due to this fact the authority has every ability and in their mind justication to brake the social contract that is the united states constitution.
What we all have to see is that the myth of america is a lie, first and foremost. by its own language and terms every politicians was then and is now in breach of a social lockean contract. ironically lockean rights theory, which substaniates their very concept and belief of white euorpean males and the masters of the earth also stresses HUMAN RIGHTS.
Which are not given by anyone or authority but is the state that “man” finds himself in nature with liberty to act independently and dispose of their property as they see fit.
The question isn’t of whether there is a conspiracy against the people unless you’ve removed yourself from the people and don’t know their predicament. living consciously aware or not of this fact and the inherent privilege and entitlement therein.
For the indigenous people of this land and Africans that were enslaved our entire existence has been misinformation. what liberals or conservatives know of our situtation is ergo susceptible to false truth values no matter how well their logic is formed.
and as such this and this alone is the problem, those who are under the social definition of “white” don’t question their “whiteness” as they {white/europeans males} historically never have been held accountable for their actions and crimes against humanity.
the question when considered by those directly affected by america and marginalized by american social policies is the same question ironically plato and socrates asked.
What is the value of democracy?
in plato’s republic we know the answer is that democracy is a cancer upon a society due in part to the possibility of unlimited liberties.
so what is the answer?
the questioning of “whiteness” as a western social construct and those who are “white” must face the burden of guilt.
whether your family owned slaves or not. whether you are an immigrant from europe, asia, latin america, or african. if you participate in this system believing in the fabled “American Dream” of gold roads, apple pie and milk you are a quintessential varible. more so than any misinformation and war propaganda. because in order for those actions to work people must first choose to be uncritical thinkers.
when you consider the process of american social assimilation you must concede to the concept of what “whiteness” is in america, and the privileges and entitlement guaranteed those whom willingly choose to be ignorant due to ill critical thinking, false beliefs and diminished human rights values. And yet live off of the burden of people who aren’t removed from imperialism but are the very cogs that make this machine move.
I mean who is really going to war? Young Blacks and Latinos the very counterpart to the children soldiers around the world living and dying for nationalism.
Proper Education Always Corrects Errors,
keter

]]> By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-reality-behind-the-disinformation-and-propaganda-of-american-wars/#comment-21782 hp Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:27:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2115#comment-21782 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it, good and hard." Mencken “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it, good and hard.”
Mencken

]]> By: Brian Koontz http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-reality-behind-the-disinformation-and-propaganda-of-american-wars/#comment-21767 Brian Koontz Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:00:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2115#comment-21767 Other than bringing smiles to our faces, there's no point in "the rolling of heads", because the structures will just replace their heads and their bodies with others. We need to dismantle and replace the structures that support the bodies that fill the structures - seizing political power from Washington D.C. and spreading it among the American people is a good structural change. Establishing "no capitalism zones" where different economic, social, cultural, and political rules apply, is a good structural change. Before any of that can happen, we need two things - education and organization. Websites like this one are part of education - as far as organization goes however the United States is atrociously lacking. Build it and they will come. Here's a definition of democracy I've never heard spoken in America - democracy is equal political *power* for all citizens. How democratic a society is is determined by how distributed the political power is within the citizenry. Using that definition America is a horrible democracy - in America political power is largely based on wealth, and wealth is vastly unequal. Other than bringing smiles to our faces, there’s no point in “the rolling of heads”, because the structures will just replace their heads and their bodies with others. We need to dismantle and replace the structures that support the bodies that fill the structures - seizing political power from Washington D.C. and spreading it among the American people is a good structural change. Establishing “no capitalism zones” where different economic, social, cultural, and political rules apply, is a good structural change.

Before any of that can happen, we need two things - education and organization. Websites like this one are part of education - as far as organization goes however the United States is atrociously lacking. Build it and they will come.

Here’s a definition of democracy I’ve never heard spoken in America - democracy is equal political *power* for all citizens. How democratic a society is is determined by how distributed the political power is within the citizenry. Using that definition America is a horrible democracy - in America political power is largely based on wealth, and wealth is vastly unequal.

]]> By: sheldub http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-reality-behind-the-disinformation-and-propaganda-of-american-wars/#comment-21743 sheldub Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:04:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2115#comment-21743 so when do thier heads start to roll? im tired of being fed lies are you?... so when do thier heads start to roll?
im tired of being fed lies
are you?…

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-reality-behind-the-disinformation-and-propaganda-of-american-wars/#comment-21649 bozhidar balkas Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:11:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2115#comment-21649 brian koontz, clerico-politico-econo-military class (the ruling class) had been lying to us (the subjects or subjugated ones) for at least 15td yrs. ur peace illustrates this fact. the reason i hyphenate priestly, political, economic, and military class or order, is because in reality these four orders of life r mere aspects of one reality. it is this class, the 'elite' (scoundrels) that controls cia, fbi, city police, education, advertsing, money, economy, religion, media the four houses: WH, senate, house of reps, and the house of horrors (world) thank u to make matters worse for us, oppressed ones (mentally/physically), probably 90% of amers may vote for these scoundrels. thank u brian koontz,
clerico-politico-econo-military class (the ruling class) had been lying to us (the subjects or subjugated ones) for at least 15td yrs.
ur peace illustrates this fact.
the reason i hyphenate priestly, political, economic, and military class or order, is because in reality these four orders of life r mere aspects of one reality.
it is this class, the ‘elite’ (scoundrels) that controls cia, fbi, city police, education, advertsing, money, economy, religion, media the four houses: WH, senate, house of reps, and the house of horrors (world) thank u
to make matters worse for us, oppressed ones (mentally/physically), probably 90% of amers may vote for these scoundrels. thank u

]]> By: Brian Koontz http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-reality-behind-the-disinformation-and-propaganda-of-american-wars/#comment-21643 Brian Koontz Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:06:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2115#comment-21643 The ruling class will always use lies - the ruling class is always unaccountable, and thus there is no downside to lies. When the ruling class is powerful enough to render the other classes forgetful, negligent, or ignorant, the lies increase in frequency and scope. The left has said much on the disinformation surrounding the Iraq War, but disinformation, deceit, and abuse are perpetrated every minute of every day by the elite. Take a look at television, where Holier-than-thou Judge shows berate the working class and tell them how to live, "truth" shows humiliate guests, exposing their private lives, "reality TV" shows are ugly banal farces, media moguls like Tyra Banks and Oprah sing praises to wealth and power, insipid soap operas treat every moment with the utmost gravity, talk shows like Maury Povich pay people (which the capitalist system rendered poor in the first place) to degrade themselves, the list goes on and on. That's just TV. Radio displays the same degrading dynamics, illustrated by monsters such as Rush Limbaugh. The educational system is controlled by the state with the expected warped results - leading to a reality where the only way to get an education is outside the "educational system" itself. The left would have one believe that the only problem with the elite is during wartime, but it's during every second of every day. Their machinations, their insanity, their abuse, knows no end and always serves their insatiable appetite for wealth and power, at any cost, at all costs, no matter the cost, to the world and to the rest of humanity. Monsters like Tyra Banks, Rush Limbaugh, and Dick Cheney are not anomalies, they are the norm for the ruling class. It's time to stop paying. The ruling class will always use lies - the ruling class is always unaccountable, and thus there is no downside to lies. When the ruling class is powerful enough to render the other classes forgetful, negligent, or ignorant, the lies increase in frequency and scope.

The left has said much on the disinformation surrounding the Iraq War, but disinformation, deceit, and abuse are perpetrated every minute of every day by the elite. Take a look at television, where Holier-than-thou Judge shows berate the working class and tell them how to live, “truth” shows humiliate guests, exposing their private lives, “reality TV” shows are ugly banal farces, media moguls like Tyra Banks and Oprah sing praises to wealth and power, insipid soap operas treat every moment with the utmost gravity, talk shows like Maury Povich pay people (which the capitalist system rendered poor in the first place) to degrade themselves, the list goes on and on. That’s just TV. Radio displays the same degrading dynamics, illustrated by monsters such as Rush Limbaugh. The educational system is controlled by the state with the expected warped results - leading to a reality where the only way to get an education is outside the “educational system” itself.

The left would have one believe that the only problem with the elite is during wartime, but it’s during every second of every day. Their machinations, their insanity, their abuse, knows no end and always serves their insatiable appetite for wealth and power, at any cost, at all costs, no matter the cost, to the world and to the rest of humanity. Monsters like Tyra Banks, Rush Limbaugh, and Dick Cheney are not anomalies, they are the norm for the ruling class.

It’s time to stop paying.

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-reality-behind-the-disinformation-and-propaganda-of-american-wars/#comment-21630 bozhidar balkas Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:34:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2115#comment-21630 to me, one of the most basic questions we could ask ourseleves would be, Can an empire like US, UK, China, Russia wage wars,ie, be aggressor based on truth? had any war by UK, Fance, germany, russia, US been waged based on truth? haven't all US et al wars been waged based on lies, greeed, delusions, illusions, hatred, supremacism, anger, lust for power/control, halftruths, predictions, demonization/belittlement of chosen enemies, evocation of perils, etc.? perhaps not all of these causative factors may be present in every war but most are in each of the imperial wars i know of.. i do not know whether mns of us who protested in early '03 or late '02 comming US aggression against iraq thought the way i have; some may been politically motivated. i realized that the proest would not prevent iraq invasion. but i had to say and i'm still saying, Not in my name! thank u. to me, one of the most basic questions we could ask ourseleves would be, Can an empire like US, UK, China, Russia wage wars,ie, be aggressor based on truth?
had any war by UK, Fance, germany, russia, US been waged based on truth?
haven’t all US et al wars been waged based on lies, greeed, delusions, illusions, hatred, supremacism, anger, lust for power/control, halftruths, predictions, demonization/belittlement of chosen enemies, evocation of perils, etc.?
perhaps not all of these causative factors may be present in every war but most are in each of the imperial wars i know of..
i do not know whether mns of us who protested in early ‘03 or late ‘02
comming US aggression against iraq thought the way i have; some may been politically motivated.
i realized that the proest would not prevent iraq invasion. but i had to say and i’m still saying, Not in my name!
thank u.

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