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	<title>Comments on: Is the Antiwar Movement Scaring People Away?</title>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/is-the-antiwar-movement-scaring-people-away/#comment-22783</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only viable solution, the  only person who had a snowball's chance in hell, was obviously Ron Paul. To end the war. If that's what people wanted first and foremost. I don't believe they do. Not for a second.   
 
It is obvious their little worries, their little pet isms and moans and groans  out weigh their phony baloney desire to end the war. Like if Paul was elected he'd make things worse than they are. That hardly seems possible.
Ron Paul had a true movement going. One Nader, McKinney, et al  may only dream about having. Same for their 'followers.'
I'm not saying Ron is better, Just that he'd end the war. 
But he won't have the chance because for all the little do gooders ending the war does not come first. Not by a long shot. 
Vote for Ron Paul? Support Ron Paul? 
Not if I have to vote for a...... ...  Fill in the blank. 
Well, enjoy your war(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only viable solution, the  only person who had a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell, was obviously Ron Paul. To end the war. If that&#8217;s what people wanted first and foremost. I don&#8217;t believe they do. Not for a second.   </p>
<p>It is obvious their little worries, their little pet isms and moans and groans  out weigh their phony baloney desire to end the war. Like if Paul was elected he&#8217;d make things worse than they are. That hardly seems possible.<br />
Ron Paul had a true movement going. One Nader, McKinney, et al  may only dream about having. Same for their &#8216;followers.&#8217;<br />
I&#8217;m not saying Ron is better, Just that he&#8217;d end the war.<br />
But he won&#8217;t have the chance because for all the little do gooders ending the war does not come first. Not by a long shot.<br />
Vote for Ron Paul? Support Ron Paul?<br />
Not if I have to vote for a&#8230;&#8230; &#8230;  Fill in the blank.<br />
Well, enjoy your war(s).</p>
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		<title>By: Tango Hotel</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/is-the-antiwar-movement-scaring-people-away/#comment-22731</link>
		<dc:creator>Tango Hotel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem facing the anti-war movement and why you are not attracting that "majority" of Americans that oppose the war, is that once again you cannot stick to the subject.  All I see here is a litany of social &#38; political injustices.  It's like someone rang the bell and all of P's dogs started salivating.  

The subject, clearly stated is how do foks show their opposition to the current troop occupation in Iraq and come up with an effective stategy to bring them home sooner rather than later?  Please stick to the program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem facing the anti-war movement and why you are not attracting that &#8220;majority&#8221; of Americans that oppose the war, is that once again you cannot stick to the subject.  All I see here is a litany of social &amp; political injustices.  It&#8217;s like someone rang the bell and all of P&#8217;s dogs started salivating.  </p>
<p>The subject, clearly stated is how do foks show their opposition to the current troop occupation in Iraq and come up with an effective stategy to bring them home sooner rather than later?  Please stick to the program.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/is-the-antiwar-movement-scaring-people-away/#comment-22690</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think anyone has been scared away. I, for one don't go to anti war [or any other] demos any more, because I don't believe they are effective.  
How effective do expect a pre- approved demo to be? Millions of people demonstrated against the war in Iraq all over the world &#38; what happened? It was a total waste of time &#38; effort. We have to find a more effective mode of dissent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone has been scared away. I, for one don&#8217;t go to anti war [or any other] demos any more, because I don&#8217;t believe they are effective.<br />
How effective do expect a pre- approved demo to be? Millions of people demonstrated against the war in Iraq all over the world &amp; what happened? It was a total waste of time &amp; effort. We have to find a more effective mode of dissent.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every one of the above danced to the tune of the "banksters," and their"ilk."
And they still do.
Can't help but notice the "far left" accounts for more mass murder than all the rest combined. 

Understanding the WW2 era also should take into account that Hitler's fate was sealed when he started printing his own money. Attempting to break free from the "banksters" and their "ilk." 
If Hitler had never fired a shot, he was already a goner for daring to free Germany from control of the, well, lets just say, "banksters."
A disturbing trend. Can you say Federal Reserve?
Just trying to "keep it straight."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every one of the above danced to the tune of the &#8220;banksters,&#8221; and their&#8221;ilk.&#8221;<br />
And they still do.<br />
Can&#8217;t help but notice the &#8220;far left&#8221; accounts for more mass murder than all the rest combined. </p>
<p>Understanding the WW2 era also should take into account that Hitler&#8217;s fate was sealed when he started printing his own money. Attempting to break free from the &#8220;banksters&#8221; and their &#8220;ilk.&#8221;<br />
If Hitler had never fired a shot, he was already a goner for daring to free Germany from control of the, well, lets just say, &#8220;banksters.&#8221;<br />
A disturbing trend. Can you say Federal Reserve?<br />
Just trying to &#8220;keep it straight.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good way to keep it straight is to envision a spectrum with those on the center left being like Democrats here or Social Democrats in Europe, those on the far left being Communist, those on the center right being like Republicans here and those on the far right being fascist like the Nazis, Italian fascists, Spanish fascists etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good way to keep it straight is to envision a spectrum with those on the center left being like Democrats here or Social Democrats in Europe, those on the far left being Communist, those on the center right being like Republicans here and those on the far right being fascist like the Nazis, Italian fascists, Spanish fascists etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Lev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich Paul, you couldn't be further from the truth even when you "clarified" it. You seem to fall into the same trap so many do who only superficially understand the World War II era. Just because something has "socialism" in its title doesn't make it socialist by any means. Adding "socialist" to it to become "National Socialist" (Nazi) was a sop to the German working class who had just seen the party of the working class made illegal in Germany and also seen their labor unions made illegal in favor of one national "labor union" which was controlled by the Nazis. There was precious little "socialism" to do with Hitler and his ilk. Let's review: They were anti-Communist, anti-worker, anti-womens' rights, anti-gay rights, anti-progress in general. They were belligerant, pro-war, chauvanist, fascist, corporate-handmaiden stooges. They were the opposite of international proletarian socialism which seeks a fair world with no social class distinctions and no race is considered superior or inferior. Instead the Nazis sought a world where everyone not of German blood was a slave to the Germans. So no offense but you're making the same mistake a lot of people do in that they see jackboots and flags and hear "socialist" in the title and automatically think they're the same thing. This is ridiculously reductionist and simplistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich Paul, you couldn&#8217;t be further from the truth even when you &#8220;clarified&#8221; it. You seem to fall into the same trap so many do who only superficially understand the World War II era. Just because something has &#8220;socialism&#8221; in its title doesn&#8217;t make it socialist by any means. Adding &#8220;socialist&#8221; to it to become &#8220;National Socialist&#8221; (Nazi) was a sop to the German working class who had just seen the party of the working class made illegal in Germany and also seen their labor unions made illegal in favor of one national &#8220;labor union&#8221; which was controlled by the Nazis. There was precious little &#8220;socialism&#8221; to do with Hitler and his ilk. Let&#8217;s review: They were anti-Communist, anti-worker, anti-womens&#8217; rights, anti-gay rights, anti-progress in general. They were belligerant, pro-war, chauvanist, fascist, corporate-handmaiden stooges. They were the opposite of international proletarian socialism which seeks a fair world with no social class distinctions and no race is considered superior or inferior. Instead the Nazis sought a world where everyone not of German blood was a slave to the Germans. So no offense but you&#8217;re making the same mistake a lot of people do in that they see jackboots and flags and hear &#8220;socialist&#8221; in the title and automatically think they&#8217;re the same thing. This is ridiculously reductionist and simplistic.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/is-the-antiwar-movement-scaring-people-away/#comment-22586</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mattr,
US  structure  of  governance  is  unique. by any  name, i see  that it  is one of the best  ever  devised  for  controlling domestic  and foreign  peoples.
surely, we  can  say that  a house wife, a hobo, a prisoner, an immigrant has very  little or no military-political  power in US.
so, if we evaluate this as true, it can be then understod  even by a child.
how ab  a working  person?  how  much  power does he/she  have?
and  how much  in comparison  w.  dan  rather, brokaw,  rove, obama, media, a billionaire?
i  do not  know.  it is  up  to  americans  to find  out what r the differences.
nevertheless, broadly, i conclude that  rather, russ perot, baker, clinton has more  power than jane jones or stan smith.
i also  aver  that, broadly, US  is  a classful  society w.  a ruling and a nonruling class.
but, do not  fret, US  has  lotsof  company. i'm not  picking on US  only. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mattr,<br />
US  structure  of  governance  is  unique. by any  name, i see  that it  is one of the best  ever  devised  for  controlling domestic  and foreign  peoples.<br />
surely, we  can  say that  a house wife, a hobo, a prisoner, an immigrant has very  little or no military-political  power in US.<br />
so, if we evaluate this as true, it can be then understod  even by a child.<br />
how ab  a working  person?  how  much  power does he/she  have?<br />
and  how much  in comparison  w.  dan  rather, brokaw,  rove, obama, media, a billionaire?<br />
i  do not  know.  it is  up  to  americans  to find  out what r the differences.<br />
nevertheless, broadly, i conclude that  rather, russ perot, baker, clinton has more  power than jane jones or stan smith.<br />
i also  aver  that, broadly, US  is  a classful  society w.  a ruling and a nonruling class.<br />
but, do not  fret, US  has  lotsof  company. i&#8217;m not  picking on US  only. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/is-the-antiwar-movement-scaring-people-away/#comment-22555</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was impressed by Eric Ruder's article. It might be possible to improve on his take, but so far no Comments have really added anything of substance. I know some of you regular "trolls" are capable of better things; so am I but who has time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was impressed by Eric Ruder&#8217;s article. It might be possible to improve on his take, but so far no Comments have really added anything of substance. I know some of you regular &#8220;trolls&#8221; are capable of better things; so am I but who has time?</p>
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		<title>By: MattR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Switzerland is a democracy but the US isn't? I'm sorry, but I don't understand that. 

I do understand that people don't like war. I agree with people that say we didn't need to start a war in Iraq. There were probably better ways to help the Kurds and the Shiites, and bring the Sunnis along. But, we can't go back to 2003. We can only go forward and make up for our mistakes. The war in Iraq is almost over so an anti-war rally won't do anything. If you really want to help the Iraqis demand jobs for them. Demand that the State Department start creating industry. That's what the Iraqis want and need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Switzerland is a democracy but the US isn&#8217;t? I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t understand that. </p>
<p>I do understand that people don&#8217;t like war. I agree with people that say we didn&#8217;t need to start a war in Iraq. There were probably better ways to help the Kurds and the Shiites, and bring the Sunnis along. But, we can&#8217;t go back to 2003. We can only go forward and make up for our mistakes. The war in Iraq is almost over so an anti-war rally won&#8217;t do anything. If you really want to help the Iraqis demand jobs for them. Demand that the State Department start creating industry. That&#8217;s what the Iraqis want and need.</p>
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		<title>By: Arch Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arch Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If you’ve been involved in building the antiwar movement during the last couple years, chances are that you’ve asked yourself what it will take to involve more people in organizing to bring the troops home from Iraq."

Probably a familiarity with the Nuremberg Principles and jettisoning jingoist catch phrases about "supporting the troops" by "bringing them home."

"One common explanation for this is that most Americans simply don’t care about the war or aren’t affected by it."

"Care" is a rather subjective term.  As to whether they are affected by it--if they're not now they will be very shortly.  Of course, expecting Americans to make the connection is like expecting your cat to open its own food.

"Flowing from this assessment of the state of political consciousness about the war is the conclusion that the antiwar movement needs to make certain it keeps to a well-defined set of limited demands in order to attract a broader audience. Thus, it should avoid “contentious” issues–such as opposition to the war in Afghanistan, or challenging racism against Arabs and Muslims or sexism in the military–and stick to calls to bring the troops home."

So I suppose it never occurred to you that some people simply will not play politics with their ethical concerns.  But if you want to, rock on with your bad self.

"The GI antiwar movement needs to be careful not to appear anti-military, or it might alienate pro-military troops."

So people are to simply ignore the fact that the US military machine is pouring unimaginably massive resources into ludicrous schemes to try and run the world, creating a massive destruction of human life and natural resources in the process?
Ole Ike offered the best answer to that psychotic bullshit.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.
It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.
We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

"For the antiwar movement, therefore, the essential point is that many people are ready to hear an uncompromising argument for immediate withdrawal. But they won’t hear it unless someone makes it. It’s up to local activists to find ways to reach this audience of millions."

Eyyeah, sure.  At this point, anti-war activism and anti-military activism are a matter of self protection. "America" and Americans can continue to delude themselves that they can run the world, destroy their economy, countless lives, wreck the environment and very possibly cause human extinction (along with innumerable other species), or they can stand down, back off, withdraw and get on with the business of attempting to make this planet a place in which decent people would want to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’ve been involved in building the antiwar movement during the last couple years, chances are that you’ve asked yourself what it will take to involve more people in organizing to bring the troops home from Iraq.&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably a familiarity with the Nuremberg Principles and jettisoning jingoist catch phrases about &#8220;supporting the troops&#8221; by &#8220;bringing them home.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;One common explanation for this is that most Americans simply don’t care about the war or aren’t affected by it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Care&#8221; is a rather subjective term.  As to whether they are affected by it&#8211;if they&#8217;re not now they will be very shortly.  Of course, expecting Americans to make the connection is like expecting your cat to open its own food.</p>
<p>&#8220;Flowing from this assessment of the state of political consciousness about the war is the conclusion that the antiwar movement needs to make certain it keeps to a well-defined set of limited demands in order to attract a broader audience. Thus, it should avoid “contentious” issues–such as opposition to the war in Afghanistan, or challenging racism against Arabs and Muslims or sexism in the military–and stick to calls to bring the troops home.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I suppose it never occurred to you that some people simply will not play politics with their ethical concerns.  But if you want to, rock on with your bad self.</p>
<p>&#8220;The GI antiwar movement needs to be careful not to appear anti-military, or it might alienate pro-military troops.&#8221;</p>
<p>So people are to simply ignore the fact that the US military machine is pouring unimaginably massive resources into ludicrous schemes to try and run the world, creating a massive destruction of human life and natural resources in the process?<br />
Ole Ike offered the best answer to that psychotic bullshit.</p>
<p>&#8220;Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.<br />
This world in arms is not spending money alone.<br />
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.<br />
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.<br />
It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.<br />
It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.<br />
We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.<br />
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.<br />
This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.<br />
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;For the antiwar movement, therefore, the essential point is that many people are ready to hear an uncompromising argument for immediate withdrawal. But they won’t hear it unless someone makes it. It’s up to local activists to find ways to reach this audience of millions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Eyyeah, sure.  At this point, anti-war activism and anti-military activism are a matter of self protection. &#8220;America&#8221; and Americans can continue to delude themselves that they can run the world, destroy their economy, countless lives, wreck the environment and very possibly cause human extinction (along with innumerable other species), or they can stand down, back off, withdraw and get on with the business of attempting to make this planet a place in which decent people would want to live.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mattr,
but  first  americans must  create  own  democracy  and  as  such wd  help  undemocratic  countr ies  become  by any other  means  but   warfare  more  democratic.
as i  have  already said, It might take  1 td yrs  to democratize iraq and 2 td or more to democratize US.
killing  people in  iraq ( by now  anywhere btwn 500,000 to  1mn)  to make it democratic (an impssibility)  is  benovelence to  some amers.
there  is  only one  country  in the world  that  has  a  governance  one might  call  a  "democracy"   and that is  switzerland.
and that's why  it doesn't  join  the den  of  thiefs, murderes, land grabbers such  as UK, france, US, Russia, china, israel   and many others . thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mattr,<br />
but  first  americans must  create  own  democracy  and  as  such wd  help  undemocratic  countr ies  become  by any other  means  but   warfare  more  democratic.<br />
as i  have  already said, It might take  1 td yrs  to democratize iraq and 2 td or more to democratize US.<br />
killing  people in  iraq ( by now  anywhere btwn 500,000 to  1mn)  to make it democratic (an impssibility)  is  benovelence to  some amers.<br />
there  is  only one  country  in the world  that  has  a  governance  one might  call  a  &#8220;democracy&#8221;   and that is  switzerland.<br />
and that&#8217;s why  it doesn&#8217;t  join  the den  of  thiefs, murderes, land grabbers such  as UK, france, US, Russia, china, israel   and many others . thank u</p>
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		<title>By: MattR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another possibility for why it's so difficult to create anti-war activities is that,  the monthly death rate in Iraq is now less than that in D.C. (22/100,000 vs 35/100,000)?  That nearly all of the political benchmarks have been met? That Al Qaeda in Iraq is almost insignificant? That Sadr City is now controlled by the Iraqi Army? That Sadr is almost insignificant? All we need to do now is create jobs, as in the Kurdish areas, and we've created the first Muslim democracy in the Mideast. That helps the whole world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possibility for why it&#8217;s so difficult to create anti-war activities is that,  the monthly death rate in Iraq is now less than that in D.C. (22/100,000 vs 35/100,000)?  That nearly all of the political benchmarks have been met? That Al Qaeda in Iraq is almost insignificant? That Sadr City is now controlled by the Iraqi Army? That Sadr is almost insignificant? All we need to do now is create jobs, as in the Kurdish areas, and we&#8217;ve created the first Muslim democracy in the Mideast. That helps the whole world.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/is-the-antiwar-movement-scaring-people-away/#comment-22501</link>
		<dc:creator>Joy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only action that will allow for expression of anti-war sentiment , and ultimately stop this war, is if we withold our personal resources and begin strikes and boycotts.  Strategic strikes and boycotts.  Lets eliminate one major credit card from our wallet, at least 1! Let's pick the top three warmongering profiteering corporations and refuse to spend our money with them for 6 months.  Top 3, like  Chevron, BP or Boeing and Catapillar.  We, the taxpaying 62 percent who want the troops home asap, fund and fuel this war. We can stop it by refusing to lend our resources and capital to war profiteers!!! Especially the money changers, banks and investment firms.  Shut Wall Street down and this war will end!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only action that will allow for expression of anti-war sentiment , and ultimately stop this war, is if we withold our personal resources and begin strikes and boycotts.  Strategic strikes and boycotts.  Lets eliminate one major credit card from our wallet, at least 1! Let&#8217;s pick the top three warmongering profiteering corporations and refuse to spend our money with them for 6 months.  Top 3, like  Chevron, BP or Boeing and Catapillar.  We, the taxpaying 62 percent who want the troops home asap, fund and fuel this war. We can stop it by refusing to lend our resources and capital to war profiteers!!! Especially the money changers, banks and investment firms.  Shut Wall Street down and this war will end!</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/is-the-antiwar-movement-scaring-people-away/#comment-22498</link>
		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stop the war, get the US out of Iraq and Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stop the war, get the US out of Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/is-the-antiwar-movement-scaring-people-away/#comment-22495</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw shucks.
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/show_dees.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw shucks.<br />
<a href="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/show_dees.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/show_dees.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Deadbeat, it's the same ole hidden in plain sight syndrome. Ain't it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Deadbeat, it&#8217;s the same ole hidden in plain sight syndrome. Ain&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important to keep issues separated.  There are people who will see that some of the anti-war people are apologists for dictators and mass-murders, like Guevera, Castro, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mugabe and Chavez  -- Socialists all -- and think that all anti-war people are in love with poverty, tyranny, and death.

Note: Though Hitler was a National Socialist, and thought Socialism should be financed by robbery of Jews instead of robbery of Capitalist, the result is the same -- only his choice of victims differed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to keep issues separated.  There are people who will see that some of the anti-war people are apologists for dictators and mass-murders, like Guevera, Castro, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mugabe and Chavez  &#8212; Socialists all &#8212; and think that all anti-war people are in love with poverty, tyranny, and death.</p>
<p>Note: Though Hitler was a National Socialist, and thought Socialism should be financed by robbery of Jews instead of robbery of Capitalist, the result is the same &#8212; only his choice of victims differed.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No mention by the author of how the "left" diffused the anti-war movement due to the desire not to confront Zionism.  Hmmmm

I see Ms. Jackowski still blaming the citizens.  I saw a large number of citizens get active in 2003-2004.   Apparently those on the "left" noticed that too and decided it was more risky for them to realize that the War in Iraq was NOT for oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mention by the author of how the &#8220;left&#8221; diffused the anti-war movement due to the desire not to confront Zionism.  Hmmmm</p>
<p>I see Ms. Jackowski still blaming the citizens.  I saw a large number of citizens get active in 2003-2004.   Apparently those on the &#8220;left&#8221; noticed that too and decided it was more risky for them to realize that the War in Iraq was NOT for oil.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People vote as needed, when needed, and that's that.
If the two stolen elections (both 2000 and 2004) didn't produce the catalyst required to get things moving, than what will? The fraud, corruption and apathy from the immensity of this criminal empire's power to subvert, control and punish any opposition is overwhelming.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html


The 2004 US Elections: The Mother of all Vote Frauds
Alex Pelosi's new film "Diary of a Political Tourist" catches a tipsy Congressman Peter King making a comment at a White House function before the election had been finished that, "It's already over. The Election's over. We Won."

When Pelosi asks, "How do you know that?" King replies, "It's all over but the counting. And we'll take care of the counting."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People vote as needed, when needed, and that&#8217;s that.<br />
If the two stolen elections (both 2000 and 2004) didn&#8217;t produce the catalyst required to get things moving, than what will? The fraud, corruption and apathy from the immensity of this criminal empire&#8217;s power to subvert, control and punish any opposition is overwhelming.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html</a></p>
<p>The 2004 US Elections: The Mother of all Vote Frauds<br />
Alex Pelosi&#8217;s new film &#8220;Diary of a Political Tourist&#8221; catches a tipsy Congressman Peter King making a comment at a White House function before the election had been finished that, &#8220;It&#8217;s already over. The Election&#8217;s over. We Won.&#8221;</p>
<p>When Pelosi asks, &#8220;How do you know that?&#8221; King replies, &#8220;It&#8217;s all over but the counting. And we&#8217;ll take care of the counting.&#8221;</p>
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