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	<title>Comments on: Provocations as Pretexts for Imperial War: From Pearl Harbor to 9/11</title>
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		<title>By: heike</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21455</link>
		<dc:creator>heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost the entire leadership of the RSK was indicted for war crimes!  I spoke in Knin with Croatian women who had been ethnically cleansed and barely escaped with their lives when the Serbian paramilitary killers came to "purify" the land back in 1991.  One of them was the infamous Arkan.  If the name is new to you, I can enlighten you.  You know the expression, "You reap what you sow"?

Are you serious about using "Global Research" as an objective source?  Look at the fantasies they publish on Srebrenica!   Yes, it was all an American imperialist plot, now wasn't it?  Do you know the story of the RSK, or do you get all your "knowledge" from the radicals in Quebec?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost the entire leadership of the RSK was indicted for war crimes!  I spoke in Knin with Croatian women who had been ethnically cleansed and barely escaped with their lives when the Serbian paramilitary killers came to &#8220;purify&#8221; the land back in 1991.  One of them was the infamous Arkan.  If the name is new to you, I can enlighten you.  You know the expression, &#8220;You reap what you sow&#8221;?</p>
<p>Are you serious about using &#8220;Global Research&#8221; as an objective source?  Look at the fantasies they publish on Srebrenica!   Yes, it was all an American imperialist plot, now wasn&#8217;t it?  Do you know the story of the RSK, or do you get all your &#8220;knowledge&#8221; from the radicals in Quebec?</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21421</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean like Krajina?

http://www.glohttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&#38;aid=795balresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&#38;aid=795</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean like Krajina?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.glohttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=795balresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=795" rel="nofollow">http://www.glohttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=795balresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=795</a></p>
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		<title>By: heike</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21401</link>
		<dc:creator>heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of your links repeat the MacKenzie line.  Frankly, if you are still fighting the "Srebrenica was a hoax" cause, you are really fighting a losing battle.  The former president of the RS himself admitted to the atrocity and apologized to the rest of the world.  Eight thousand bodies or parts thereof have been recovered.  What's your point?  The Serbs are innocent little lambs?  You don't think for a minute that they committed any atrocities in Kosovo (not to mention Bosnia, Croatia), now do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of your links repeat the MacKenzie line.  Frankly, if you are still fighting the &#8220;Srebrenica was a hoax&#8221; cause, you are really fighting a losing battle.  The former president of the RS himself admitted to the atrocity and apologized to the rest of the world.  Eight thousand bodies or parts thereof have been recovered.  What&#8217;s your point?  The Serbs are innocent little lambs?  You don&#8217;t think for a minute that they committed any atrocities in Kosovo (not to mention Bosnia, Croatia), now do you?</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21390</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 05:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't forget, this was the precursor to Iraq, the newly founded, loudly touted "humanitarian intervention" excuse for invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation.
The first time NATO, which had never fired one solitary bullet in fifty years, was unleashed against, basically, a civilian target along with their infrastructure. Pure war crimes in the name of humanitarianism.  
This also followed up Gulf War I in the use of prodigious amounts of DU in a civilian scenario.
Ten years later we, and NATO, are still there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget, this was the precursor to Iraq, the newly founded, loudly touted &#8220;humanitarian intervention&#8221; excuse for invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation.<br />
The first time NATO, which had never fired one solitary bullet in fifty years, was unleashed against, basically, a civilian target along with their infrastructure. Pure war crimes in the name of humanitarianism.<br />
This also followed up Gulf War I in the use of prodigious amounts of DU in a civilian scenario.<br />
Ten years later we, and NATO, are still there.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21388</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 04:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother, for one. 
http://irishantiwar.org/archives/forum/0001iO.html
http://globalresistance.com/analysis/falsely.htm
http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2008/04/08/international-coverup-on-serb-organ-harvesting-pro-american-kosovo-pm-thaci-oversaw-the-scheme/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_13_16/ai_61551806</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother, for one.<br />
<a href="http://irishantiwar.org/archives/forum/0001iO.html" rel="nofollow">http://irishantiwar.org/archives/forum/0001iO.html</a><br />
<a href="http://globalresistance.com/analysis/falsely.htm" rel="nofollow">http://globalresistance.com/analysis/falsely.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2008/04/08/international-coverup-on-serb-organ-harvesting-pro-american-kosovo-pm-thaci-oversaw-the-scheme/" rel="nofollow">http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2008/04/08/international-coverup-on-serb-organ-harvesting-pro-american-kosovo-pm-thaci-oversaw-the-scheme/</a><br />
<a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_13_16/ai_61551806" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_13_16/ai_61551806</a></p>
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		<title>By: heike</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21383</link>
		<dc:creator>heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP:  what other commander except Lewis MacKenzie said so?  Did you know MacKenzie was on the Serb payroll?  That he is a Muslim  holocaust denier as far as Srebrenica is concerned?  That  he spread the lie that the Muslims bombed themselves to elicit Western sympathy? What did he protect when he was head of UNPROFOR?  
http://www.geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/english/general_lewis_mackenzie.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP:  what other commander except Lewis MacKenzie said so?  Did you know MacKenzie was on the Serb payroll?  That he is a Muslim  holocaust denier as far as Srebrenica is concerned?  That  he spread the lie that the Muslims bombed themselves to elicit Western sympathy? What did he protect when he was head of UNPROFOR?<br />
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/english/general_lewis_mackenzie.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/english/general_lewis_mackenzie.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21371</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kosovo houses the largest US military base since Vietnam. Camp bondsteel ("a smaller version of Guantanamo"). There's a reason for Camp Bondsteel and it's not to defend against Serbs, protect the "poor Albanians."
More than one commander said, after the assault and occupation, "we bombed the wrong side."
Such is multinational treason and treachery Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kosovo houses the largest US military base since Vietnam. Camp bondsteel (&#8221;a smaller version of Guantanamo&#8221;). There&#8217;s a reason for Camp Bondsteel and it&#8217;s not to defend against Serbs, protect the &#8220;poor Albanians.&#8221;<br />
More than one commander said, after the assault and occupation, &#8220;we bombed the wrong side.&#8221;<br />
Such is multinational treason and treachery Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21357</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“as far as korea is concerned, one only need look at how the people in north korea are living, and how their leader is living (and compare that to South Korea), to see that there’s more to this than is superficially discussed in the article.”

What is really superficial is the analysis which has no value when the root causes are not mentioned.  If South Korea is subjected to the same US economic and scientific sanction which has a phony name “UN sanction”, and South Korea is contained through military blockade then South Korea’s living condition will be deteriorated fast.  People should remember what happened to Iraq before the invasion where Iraq with natural resources and educated labor force became poor and destitute where the country lost more than 650,000 people due to economic sanction and partial occupation.  Targeted countries, such as North Korea, Iran, Syria, Sudan are subjected to severe sanction by the imperialist, Zionist and their servants who are ……  IN BLOOD AND AMERICAN IN THOUGHT, for further action.  This illegal sanction intends to disrupt the economic life of the country and brings unemployment and hunger and therefore riots, civil disobedience where leads to break down of the society.  The first groups who are willing to give in and cooperate with the enemy are those who are designated as “elite” because they have the “education” and the language skill to be able to dissolve into the scum of the empire and “improve” themselves accordingly.  Today, we are witnessing many Iranians who are in the business of NGO, to receive money from the intelligent organizations of the imperialist and Zionist, “to work”  in many areas such as Women, youth, labor, human rights, and culture due to lack of job opportunities,  to bring velvet revolution to speed up the process of the “regime change.”   So, how long the puppet Kosovo and the Kurdish terrorists can survive if the imperialist and the Zionist impose the same type of sanction on these slaves?  I bet you not long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“as far as korea is concerned, one only need look at how the people in north korea are living, and how their leader is living (and compare that to South Korea), to see that there’s more to this than is superficially discussed in the article.”</p>
<p>What is really superficial is the analysis which has no value when the root causes are not mentioned.  If South Korea is subjected to the same US economic and scientific sanction which has a phony name “UN sanction”, and South Korea is contained through military blockade then South Korea’s living condition will be deteriorated fast.  People should remember what happened to Iraq before the invasion where Iraq with natural resources and educated labor force became poor and destitute where the country lost more than 650,000 people due to economic sanction and partial occupation.  Targeted countries, such as North Korea, Iran, Syria, Sudan are subjected to severe sanction by the imperialist, Zionist and their servants who are ……  IN BLOOD AND AMERICAN IN THOUGHT, for further action.  This illegal sanction intends to disrupt the economic life of the country and brings unemployment and hunger and therefore riots, civil disobedience where leads to break down of the society.  The first groups who are willing to give in and cooperate with the enemy are those who are designated as “elite” because they have the “education” and the language skill to be able to dissolve into the scum of the empire and “improve” themselves accordingly.  Today, we are witnessing many Iranians who are in the business of NGO, to receive money from the intelligent organizations of the imperialist and Zionist, “to work”  in many areas such as Women, youth, labor, human rights, and culture due to lack of job opportunities,  to bring velvet revolution to speed up the process of the “regime change.”   So, how long the puppet Kosovo and the Kurdish terrorists can survive if the imperialist and the Zionist impose the same type of sanction on these slaves?  I bet you not long.</p>
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		<title>By: heike</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21349</link>
		<dc:creator>heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lloyd:  are you suggesting that the purpose of DV is to censor views that bring information that contradicts the party line?  Or that people who bring forth such views are trying to get themselves censored?  Just because people disagree with you does that mean they are ignorant?  If DV  were consistent in its policy of shutting down people for personal attacks, they would push you off their board.  In Russia, they refer to people like yourself as "nekulturniy."

And remember when to use "it's" and "its."  

p.s. go look up white supremacist websites like stormfront.org or davidduke.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lloyd:  are you suggesting that the purpose of DV is to censor views that bring information that contradicts the party line?  Or that people who bring forth such views are trying to get themselves censored?  Just because people disagree with you does that mean they are ignorant?  If DV  were consistent in its policy of shutting down people for personal attacks, they would push you off their board.  In Russia, they refer to people like yourself as &#8220;nekulturniy.&#8221;</p>
<p>And remember when to use &#8220;it&#8217;s&#8221; and &#8220;its.&#8221;  </p>
<p>p.s. go look up white supremacist websites like stormfront.org or davidduke.com</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21322</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21299</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as far as korea is concerned, one only need look at how the people in north korea are living, and how their leader is living (and compare that to South Korea), to see that there's more to this than is superficially discussed in the article.  now yes, the us could have (should have?) stayed out of this.  but it wouldn't have resulted in a utopia for the people there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as far as korea is concerned, one only need look at how the people in north korea are living, and how their leader is living (and compare that to South Korea), to see that there&#8217;s more to this than is superficially discussed in the article.  now yes, the us could have (should have?) stayed out of this.  but it wouldn&#8217;t have resulted in a utopia for the people there.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21298</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I have problems with the simplistic picture painted for korea and vietnam as well.  Don't get me wrong, vietnam especially was a terrible blunder and a terrible crime.  But i don't accept the picture of some malignant gathering of all the elite in this country, making sinister plans to screw us all, just for the sake of screwing us, each and every day, in some dark, smoke-filled room.  All acting in concert, in perfect sync.  And all so omnipotent and omniscient, those plans always so flawlessly executed for the Dark Side; and those plans always work so perfectly and so in sync with their interests which are always perfectly opposed to our interests.

(This is notwithstanding the fact that slowly, inexorably, corruption is creeping in, into all facets of the government, the military, etc.  It's the mathematical (thus ultra-potent) law of increasing entropy, which can only be countered by inputs of energy to diminish it, but that's a topic for another time).

The elites are not a monolith.  What is in the interest to the weapons industry may or may not be in the interest of the oil companies or the coal industry or the banks.  What is in the interest of the Irish lobby may not be in the interest of our "special" relationship with Britain. And just like the president is not omnipotent – he's severely constrained, so are these "elites".

Anyway, they had this dominoes theory, which made sense at the time (and maybe had some truth to it).  So, yes, at the time of the cold war, with the nuclear-armed Soviet Union menacing us, yes, on some level, both Korea and Vietnam were deemed, by some, I believe earnestly, as somewhat of existential threat.  Not right away, but down the road, when the whole world turned communist because we were asleep at the switch in korea and vietnam (i am just paraphrasing what they might have been thinking at the time).  (Of course, the weapons complex might have wanted a war for their own reasons).  So no, there were no sinister meetings in dark rooms finding ways how to screw us all.  And guess what, the OTHER side, the Soviets, the Chinese, had the exact same theories and the exact same actions, they mirrored everything we did and vice versa.  They saw themselves surrounded and acted accordingly.  So, there was no question of vietnam being some economic market for chinese goods (China at the time was piss-poor and couldn't feed its own people, the author forgets that, forgets Mao Tse Tung and his cultural revolution; and they had not had a friendly history with vietnam, which was mostly a Soviet client state).  The Soviets didn't benefit from vietnam economically (neither did the Chinese from Korea) – they sank enormous sums and aided them with weapons, in accordance with their own domino theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I have problems with the simplistic picture painted for korea and vietnam as well.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, vietnam especially was a terrible blunder and a terrible crime.  But i don&#8217;t accept the picture of some malignant gathering of all the elite in this country, making sinister plans to screw us all, just for the sake of screwing us, each and every day, in some dark, smoke-filled room.  All acting in concert, in perfect sync.  And all so omnipotent and omniscient, those plans always so flawlessly executed for the Dark Side; and those plans always work so perfectly and so in sync with their interests which are always perfectly opposed to our interests.</p>
<p>(This is notwithstanding the fact that slowly, inexorably, corruption is creeping in, into all facets of the government, the military, etc.  It&#8217;s the mathematical (thus ultra-potent) law of increasing entropy, which can only be countered by inputs of energy to diminish it, but that&#8217;s a topic for another time).</p>
<p>The elites are not a monolith.  What is in the interest to the weapons industry may or may not be in the interest of the oil companies or the coal industry or the banks.  What is in the interest of the Irish lobby may not be in the interest of our &#8220;special&#8221; relationship with Britain. And just like the president is not omnipotent – he&#8217;s severely constrained, so are these &#8220;elites&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyway, they had this dominoes theory, which made sense at the time (and maybe had some truth to it).  So, yes, at the time of the cold war, with the nuclear-armed Soviet Union menacing us, yes, on some level, both Korea and Vietnam were deemed, by some, I believe earnestly, as somewhat of existential threat.  Not right away, but down the road, when the whole world turned communist because we were asleep at the switch in korea and vietnam (i am just paraphrasing what they might have been thinking at the time).  (Of course, the weapons complex might have wanted a war for their own reasons).  So no, there were no sinister meetings in dark rooms finding ways how to screw us all.  And guess what, the OTHER side, the Soviets, the Chinese, had the exact same theories and the exact same actions, they mirrored everything we did and vice versa.  They saw themselves surrounded and acted accordingly.  So, there was no question of vietnam being some economic market for chinese goods (China at the time was piss-poor and couldn&#8217;t feed its own people, the author forgets that, forgets Mao Tse Tung and his cultural revolution; and they had not had a friendly history with vietnam, which was mostly a Soviet client state).  The Soviets didn&#8217;t benefit from vietnam economically (neither did the Chinese from Korea) – they sank enormous sums and aided them with weapons, in accordance with their own domino theory.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/provocations-as-pretexts-for-imperial-war-from-pearl-harbor-to-911/#comment-21280</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, OK, let's say the Japanese sent cables to their ambassador in Berlin.  Or the German ambassador in Tokyo sent cables to Hitler.  What were those cables likely to say: ‘'Something big is coming.  Prepare for imminent war with America".  They were not very likely to say, "Task force steaming to Pearl Harbor, will be there Dec. 7" (not even vice-adm. Nagumo in charge of the strike, knew when they would arrive at their destination, it depended on the weather).  Why would they say something like that and jeopardize their secrecy, why would their ambassador or Hitler need to know these operational details?  So the cables were not very useful to prepare for defense at a certain spot on a certain date.  Maybe they just indicated Japan's intention to declare war on America in the near future, not some sneak attack.  And even if sneak attack, they could have attacked Alaska (e.g., the Aleutian Islands, which they did later in the war), Los Angeles, etc.  There were other fleet harbors in the Pacific and California.  Maybe Hawaii did make the most sense from the tactical and strategic point, but in war you never know, you can never predict what your enemy will do.

If such cables had been intercepted and deciphered, all FDR had to do, was go before the American public and read the cables.  Doesn't such info signify a desire of Japan to enter war with the US?  If so, then a state of war factually exists, and once known, it's out of anyone's hands, hostilities can begin at any time according to international law.  Why would he need to keep anything secret, why would he need to jeopardize the fleet at Pearl Harbor and thus severely jeopardize the eventual outcome of the war?  Or, another option, warn the Pearl Harbor commanders the attack was coming.  Wouldn't a frustrated attack be sufficient cause for war, yet leave the US in a much better position?

Let's look at the situation at that time.  The US was woefully unprepared for any large scale war.  Its industrial capacity was awesome, but its weapons inventory was minuscule compared to that of Germany, Japan, etc.  If anything, FDR might have wanted to postpone entry into the war until these capacities had been built up (but for other reasons, explained above, he wouldn't have wanted to wait too long).  Just look at the awesome power of Japan vs. that of the US.  The task force that was steaming toward Pearl Harbor had SIX large, fleet aircraft carriers, only a fraction of the total Japanese inventory.  The total number of carriers in the ENTIRE US inventory at the time was 3.  The carriers proved to be the decisive factor in the naval warfare, esp. in the Pacific.

But that was not entirely settled at the time.  Another view in the naval circles at the time, a continuation of the naval doctrine from previous times, was that the battleship would be the decisive factor.  That's why the battleship limits in the naval limitation treaty of 1922 had been violated by all the Axis countries in the 30s.  And yes, the US had quite a few of the battleships itself (which later proved pretty useless in WW2, except for sinking Allied shipping by the Germans).  So, it would have been particularly reckless to park (no – double park!!!) a large chunk of the US battleship inventory at Pearl Harbor, if someone had known the attack was coming.  And no, you don't build another battleship, or an aircraft carrier, in a day.  Before Pearl Harbor, it took 39 months for a battleship and 32 months for a carrier.  Even after, it was 32 and 15.

Why would they want to fight Japan – and Germany (which would have automatically entered the war on behalf of Japan per the Axis treaties), with one hand tied behind their back?  A two-ocean war, a several-continent war, with battle tested, well prepared opponents who seemingly could do nothing wrong in war, severely handicapped?  Then you must believe that your elites are Gods (the American exceptionalism again), who could predict and control the future with such mastery, precision and certainty.  (So what happened in the meantime, how did this magic capability evaporate all of a sudden?)

This conspiracy theory of FDR's foreknowledge is nothing new.  For example, it is discussed (and debunked) on page 69-70 in the book "The Two-Ocean War" by Samuel Morison, copyright 1963.  (Yes, there were cables – from the US ambassador in Tokyo, speculating on the Japanese capability to "rush headlong into a suicidal conflict with the US", and "Japan's resort...to war measures...may come with dramatic and dangerous suddenness."  This was November 3, 1941.  This translates into foreknowledge of attack on Pearl Harbor?)

And, by the way, at one point the writer states that "over 3,000" American servicemen perished at Pearl Harbor, while a bit later he states the number at 2,900 something.  That indicates a lack of care and proof reading the article.  The whole article is full of bold assertions, but very little evidence, we're supposed to trust whatever appears in non-traditional media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, OK, let&#8217;s say the Japanese sent cables to their ambassador in Berlin.  Or the German ambassador in Tokyo sent cables to Hitler.  What were those cables likely to say: ‘&#8217;Something big is coming.  Prepare for imminent war with America&#8221;.  They were not very likely to say, &#8220;Task force steaming to Pearl Harbor, will be there Dec. 7&#8243; (not even vice-adm. Nagumo in charge of the strike, knew when they would arrive at their destination, it depended on the weather).  Why would they say something like that and jeopardize their secrecy, why would their ambassador or Hitler need to know these operational details?  So the cables were not very useful to prepare for defense at a certain spot on a certain date.  Maybe they just indicated Japan&#8217;s intention to declare war on America in the near future, not some sneak attack.  And even if sneak attack, they could have attacked Alaska (e.g., the Aleutian Islands, which they did later in the war), Los Angeles, etc.  There were other fleet harbors in the Pacific and California.  Maybe Hawaii did make the most sense from the tactical and strategic point, but in war you never know, you can never predict what your enemy will do.</p>
<p>If such cables had been intercepted and deciphered, all FDR had to do, was go before the American public and read the cables.  Doesn&#8217;t such info signify a desire of Japan to enter war with the US?  If so, then a state of war factually exists, and once known, it&#8217;s out of anyone&#8217;s hands, hostilities can begin at any time according to international law.  Why would he need to keep anything secret, why would he need to jeopardize the fleet at Pearl Harbor and thus severely jeopardize the eventual outcome of the war?  Or, another option, warn the Pearl Harbor commanders the attack was coming.  Wouldn&#8217;t a frustrated attack be sufficient cause for war, yet leave the US in a much better position?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at the situation at that time.  The US was woefully unprepared for any large scale war.  Its industrial capacity was awesome, but its weapons inventory was minuscule compared to that of Germany, Japan, etc.  If anything, FDR might have wanted to postpone entry into the war until these capacities had been built up (but for other reasons, explained above, he wouldn&#8217;t have wanted to wait too long).  Just look at the awesome power of Japan vs. that of the US.  The task force that was steaming toward Pearl Harbor had SIX large, fleet aircraft carriers, only a fraction of the total Japanese inventory.  The total number of carriers in the ENTIRE US inventory at the time was 3.  The carriers proved to be the decisive factor in the naval warfare, esp. in the Pacific.</p>
<p>But that was not entirely settled at the time.  Another view in the naval circles at the time, a continuation of the naval doctrine from previous times, was that the battleship would be the decisive factor.  That&#8217;s why the battleship limits in the naval limitation treaty of 1922 had been violated by all the Axis countries in the 30s.  And yes, the US had quite a few of the battleships itself (which later proved pretty useless in WW2, except for sinking Allied shipping by the Germans).  So, it would have been particularly reckless to park (no – double park!!!) a large chunk of the US battleship inventory at Pearl Harbor, if someone had known the attack was coming.  And no, you don&#8217;t build another battleship, or an aircraft carrier, in a day.  Before Pearl Harbor, it took 39 months for a battleship and 32 months for a carrier.  Even after, it was 32 and 15.</p>
<p>Why would they want to fight Japan – and Germany (which would have automatically entered the war on behalf of Japan per the Axis treaties), with one hand tied behind their back?  A two-ocean war, a several-continent war, with battle tested, well prepared opponents who seemingly could do nothing wrong in war, severely handicapped?  Then you must believe that your elites are Gods (the American exceptionalism again), who could predict and control the future with such mastery, precision and certainty.  (So what happened in the meantime, how did this magic capability evaporate all of a sudden?)</p>
<p>This conspiracy theory of FDR&#8217;s foreknowledge is nothing new.  For example, it is discussed (and debunked) on page 69-70 in the book &#8220;The Two-Ocean War&#8221; by Samuel Morison, copyright 1963.  (Yes, there were cables – from the US ambassador in Tokyo, speculating on the Japanese capability to &#8220;rush headlong into a suicidal conflict with the US&#8221;, and &#8220;Japan&#8217;s resort&#8230;to war measures&#8230;may come with dramatic and dangerous suddenness.&#8221;  This was November 3, 1941.  This translates into foreknowledge of attack on Pearl Harbor?)</p>
<p>And, by the way, at one point the writer states that &#8220;over 3,000&#8243; American servicemen perished at Pearl Harbor, while a bit later he states the number at 2,900 something.  That indicates a lack of care and proof reading the article.  The whole article is full of bold assertions, but very little evidence, we&#8217;re supposed to trust whatever appears in non-traditional media.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder: are all you folks so happy to vent on US leftists just trying to get Dissident Voice to shut down it's open-posting policy?  Or asked another way: are you so ignorant of history as my father's generation was, and believe the left and the right are interchangeable?  (And the mama bear's porridge was JUST RGHT -- ie, in between?)  God, you folks eat shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder: are all you folks so happy to vent on US leftists just trying to get Dissident Voice to shut down it&#8217;s open-posting policy?  Or asked another way: are you so ignorant of history as my father&#8217;s generation was, and believe the left and the right are interchangeable?  (And the mama bear&#8217;s porridge was JUST RGHT &#8212; ie, in between?)  God, you folks eat shit.</p>
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		<title>By: heike</title>
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		<dc:creator>heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 14:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Mujahideen  

So much of this article is an excursion into revolutionary fantasyland.  The above entry should enlighten on the Muhajadin; to suggest that the Clinton "regime" (!!) was responsible for importing them into Bosnia requires a fertile imagination.  Atrocities in Bosnia have been extensively documented.  If HL is somehow in denial about mass graves, he can input mass graves bosnia into Google and will get more than he bargained for.  

As a typical propagandist, Petras finds a few "sources" that would confirm his red-colored view of the world and simply glosses over all others.  Stinnett's work has been thoroughly debunked.  Here's an especially telling commentary by a cryptologist:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3926/is_200004/ai_n8892100

Much has been written as well about the origins of the Korean War, and it is grotesque, as well as unscholarly to use the terminology of Petras to try to insinuate a sinister U.S. plot to take over Korea, north or south.  Even a high school student studying world history knows that the June 25, 1950 attack by North Korea was preceded by Dean Acheson's famous statement that Korea lies beyond the sphere of U.S. strategic interests.

For the complete documentary record of the origins of the Korean War, please see:

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1409&#38;fuseaction=va2.browse&#38;sort=Collection&#38;item=The%20Korean%20War</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Mujahideen" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Mujahideen</a>  </p>
<p>So much of this article is an excursion into revolutionary fantasyland.  The above entry should enlighten on the Muhajadin; to suggest that the Clinton &#8220;regime&#8221; (!!) was responsible for importing them into Bosnia requires a fertile imagination.  Atrocities in Bosnia have been extensively documented.  If HL is somehow in denial about mass graves, he can input mass graves bosnia into Google and will get more than he bargained for.  </p>
<p>As a typical propagandist, Petras finds a few &#8220;sources&#8221; that would confirm his red-colored view of the world and simply glosses over all others.  Stinnett&#8217;s work has been thoroughly debunked.  Here&#8217;s an especially telling commentary by a cryptologist:<br />
<a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3926/is_200004/ai_n8892100" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3926/is_200004/ai_n8892100</a></p>
<p>Much has been written as well about the origins of the Korean War, and it is grotesque, as well as unscholarly to use the terminology of Petras to try to insinuate a sinister U.S. plot to take over Korea, north or south.  Even a high school student studying world history knows that the June 25, 1950 attack by North Korea was preceded by Dean Acheson&#8217;s famous statement that Korea lies beyond the sphere of U.S. strategic interests.</p>
<p>For the complete documentary record of the origins of the Korean War, please see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1409&amp;fuseaction=va2.browse&amp;sort=Collection&amp;item=The%20Korean%20War" rel="nofollow">http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1409&amp;fuseaction=va2.browse&amp;sort=Collection&amp;item=The%20Korean%20War</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, it sounded from your previous posts that you were exonerating the US (along with the UN)  for attacking under false pretenses.  If you're agreeing that they did but you just needed to vent some steam on US leftists thinking that that's all there was to it, cool...but you come off as a bit scattered.  It sounds like there may may be some emotions getting in the way of saying what you're trying to say.  I'm trying to hear you, mate...and I'm sorry for any pain you have over what happened</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, it sounded from your previous posts that you were exonerating the US (along with the UN)  for attacking under false pretenses.  If you&#8217;re agreeing that they did but you just needed to vent some steam on US leftists thinking that that&#8217;s all there was to it, cool&#8230;but you come off as a bit scattered.  It sounds like there may may be some emotions getting in the way of saying what you&#8217;re trying to say.  I&#8217;m trying to hear you, mate&#8230;and I&#8217;m sorry for any pain you have over what happened</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and these supporters of the “civilizing mission” of racists and warmongers who are ….. IN BLOOD AND AMERICAN IN THOUGHTS 
do not know that Saddam and other dictators like the Shah, and many more around the world were let to power by American imperialism.  The political party of Saddam, the Baath party, was let into power by the CIA.  They found Saddam “strong” enough to do their  job for them, killing of more than 30,000 Iraqis, mainly men, who wanted nothing but the best for their country under the pretext of “cold war” and “communism”  to keep the middle east and its resources under their tight  control to build their empire on cheap oil to protect their dictators and their investment against the population of these countries by selling these dictators their old  weapon of mass destruction for  billions of dollars  of oil revenue that should have been spent in the country to expand their power and influence towards building WORLD GOVERNMENT of racist and war mongers with help of  the internal enablers, like in Kosovo and north of Iraq with the help of the Kurdish terrorists today.  The dictators were allowed and helped to build their interrogation centers and torture chambers to have the country under the American Imperialism, tomorrow may be Canadian or Australian imperialism but all coming from the same source, the British, against others.  Let’s not forget more than 3 millions death in Vietnam, thousand of deaths in Iran, Chili, Congo, Sudan, Japan, Pakistan, Philippine,  Indonesia and many more, all with the help of these racist and warmongers.  Today, we are witnessing the same under phony “war on terror, which is nothing but destruction of the Islamic societies with its people and civilization to bring their resources and its people as cheap labor under full control to help Israel and expand their influence and power to bring down other strong states such as India, China, and Russia under their full control to bring the racist “civilizing mission” into conclusion.  We never accept their rule, only the fools can do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and these supporters of the “civilizing mission” of racists and warmongers who are ….. IN BLOOD AND AMERICAN IN THOUGHTS<br />
do not know that Saddam and other dictators like the Shah, and many more around the world were let to power by American imperialism.  The political party of Saddam, the Baath party, was let into power by the CIA.  They found Saddam “strong” enough to do their  job for them, killing of more than 30,000 Iraqis, mainly men, who wanted nothing but the best for their country under the pretext of “cold war” and “communism”  to keep the middle east and its resources under their tight  control to build their empire on cheap oil to protect their dictators and their investment against the population of these countries by selling these dictators their old  weapon of mass destruction for  billions of dollars  of oil revenue that should have been spent in the country to expand their power and influence towards building WORLD GOVERNMENT of racist and war mongers with help of  the internal enablers, like in Kosovo and north of Iraq with the help of the Kurdish terrorists today.  The dictators were allowed and helped to build their interrogation centers and torture chambers to have the country under the American Imperialism, tomorrow may be Canadian or Australian imperialism but all coming from the same source, the British, against others.  Let’s not forget more than 3 millions death in Vietnam, thousand of deaths in Iran, Chili, Congo, Sudan, Japan, Pakistan, Philippine,  Indonesia and many more, all with the help of these racist and warmongers.  Today, we are witnessing the same under phony “war on terror, which is nothing but destruction of the Islamic societies with its people and civilization to bring their resources and its people as cheap labor under full control to help Israel and expand their influence and power to bring down other strong states such as India, China, and Russia under their full control to bring the racist “civilizing mission” into conclusion.  We never accept their rule, only the fools can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 06:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and, hue, the shelling of sarajevo (a city of  350,000) for 3.5 long years by 2,000 pieces of heavy artillery didn't happen, either, right.  neither did the sniping.  and no need for mass graves there either.

they didn't find american-made mass graves in iraq either, so no american attrocities must have occurred there.  so, the left's claim of 1 million dead there due to our invasion must be untrue, right?  i am not justifying the iraq thing, just using your faulty logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and, hue, the shelling of sarajevo (a city of  350,000) for 3.5 long years by 2,000 pieces of heavy artillery didn&#8217;t happen, either, right.  neither did the sniping.  and no need for mass graves there either.</p>
<p>they didn&#8217;t find american-made mass graves in iraq either, so no american attrocities must have occurred there.  so, the left&#8217;s claim of 1 million dead there due to our invasion must be untrue, right?  i am not justifying the iraq thing, just using your faulty logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 06:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised to see some of the readers of this site have difficulties to 
understand why we say American empire.  They have NO CONFIDENCE and have accepted the image of themselves which has been defined by the empire:
 ” we are a bunch of savages or monkeys or children. We are incapable of independent thoughts and actions, we are incapable of realizing we did wrong, we are incapable of morality and qualms of conscience.”

This is the description of those who have accepted, the “civilizing mission” of racists and warmongers who are pleased with those who are ……….. IN BLODD AND AMERICAN IN THOUGHS.  Majority of elite of “developing countries” under the influence of major power have an image similar to this: “we are incapable of independent thought….” Because these people have been  trained in the so called leading educational system of a dominant power and frankly their status as “elite” requires them to be dependent, servant and” incapable of  morality and qualms of conscience.”  These people have internalized the myth that is not equal to those who represent the civilizing mission rubbish and therefore they have accepted these people's remedy to control their Feeling of INFERIORITY.
Let me tell you that against these inferior, servant and immoral people are many who never  accept this image as THEIR OWN IMAGE and actually they are fighting against oppressor and their enablers in the “developing countries”  because they know the history of the empire and imperialism for the past 500 years and their policies in the colonies where they want to bring the indigenous population under control and therefore these people are determined  by working together to maintain their destiny  under their own control and cut the hegemony of those who want to bring every nation with their resources under their control to support WORLD GOVERNMENT of racists and mass murderers to reduce people to nothing but a petty consumer, if they can afford it, and themselves as producer and owner who dictate rules of the game.
One of the old tools of the empire is “divide and conquer” which is used today in the targeted countries like Iran, Sudan and other countries besides occupied Iraq. Iraq has a soft partition now.  This was the plan from the beginning.  In fact the “new middle east” is based upon a divided and partitioned regional countries and creation of Kurdistan, a spy network of Israel, to weaken Iraq as an Arab state to improve Israel position in the region and make it easier to build Israel as a “regional power” against Iran which has historically been a regional power and more likely is going to remain as the regional power in the Middle East.
What is the gain out of the partition of Yugoslavia?  The only beneficiary is the empire.  What does Kosovo, with 2 millions do?  Kosovo is not able to become a great nation.  Kosovo and other microscopic states where have been separated since the break down of Yugoslavia never going to be a great nation.   But it is good for the empire to have many microscopic states in the UN to act as its allies to help the empire’s vicious goals.   Examples are numerous around the world.  Look at the divided Arab land where heads of the Arab states are nothing but puppets.  The reason for partition and division is to weaken any movement that might challenge their power.  It is easier to control and manipulate them.  That’s why the United States extension of the British Empire is afraid of China and Russia and always they try to prevent these powerful states to work together.  They want a weak Iran in the region to be able to control the country and its resources for their own plan against stronger states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised to see some of the readers of this site have difficulties to<br />
understand why we say American empire.  They have NO CONFIDENCE and have accepted the image of themselves which has been defined by the empire:<br />
 ” we are a bunch of savages or monkeys or children. We are incapable of independent thoughts and actions, we are incapable of realizing we did wrong, we are incapable of morality and qualms of conscience.”</p>
<p>This is the description of those who have accepted, the “civilizing mission” of racists and warmongers who are pleased with those who are ……….. IN BLODD AND AMERICAN IN THOUGHS.  Majority of elite of “developing countries” under the influence of major power have an image similar to this: “we are incapable of independent thought….” Because these people have been  trained in the so called leading educational system of a dominant power and frankly their status as “elite” requires them to be dependent, servant and” incapable of  morality and qualms of conscience.”  These people have internalized the myth that is not equal to those who represent the civilizing mission rubbish and therefore they have accepted these people&#8217;s remedy to control their Feeling of INFERIORITY.<br />
Let me tell you that against these inferior, servant and immoral people are many who never  accept this image as THEIR OWN IMAGE and actually they are fighting against oppressor and their enablers in the “developing countries”  because they know the history of the empire and imperialism for the past 500 years and their policies in the colonies where they want to bring the indigenous population under control and therefore these people are determined  by working together to maintain their destiny  under their own control and cut the hegemony of those who want to bring every nation with their resources under their control to support WORLD GOVERNMENT of racists and mass murderers to reduce people to nothing but a petty consumer, if they can afford it, and themselves as producer and owner who dictate rules of the game.<br />
One of the old tools of the empire is “divide and conquer” which is used today in the targeted countries like Iran, Sudan and other countries besides occupied Iraq. Iraq has a soft partition now.  This was the plan from the beginning.  In fact the “new middle east” is based upon a divided and partitioned regional countries and creation of Kurdistan, a spy network of Israel, to weaken Iraq as an Arab state to improve Israel position in the region and make it easier to build Israel as a “regional power” against Iran which has historically been a regional power and more likely is going to remain as the regional power in the Middle East.<br />
What is the gain out of the partition of Yugoslavia?  The only beneficiary is the empire.  What does Kosovo, with 2 millions do?  Kosovo is not able to become a great nation.  Kosovo and other microscopic states where have been separated since the break down of Yugoslavia never going to be a great nation.   But it is good for the empire to have many microscopic states in the UN to act as its allies to help the empire’s vicious goals.   Examples are numerous around the world.  Look at the divided Arab land where heads of the Arab states are nothing but puppets.  The reason for partition and division is to weaken any movement that might challenge their power.  It is easier to control and manipulate them.  That’s why the United States extension of the British Empire is afraid of China and Russia and always they try to prevent these powerful states to work together.  They want a weak Iran in the region to be able to control the country and its resources for their own plan against stronger states.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 05:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the ones who committed more (the bulk of) attrocities, were the ones who held the weapons caches of the army, and thus had more weapons.  so, simple math there, not any genetic predisposition to badness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ones who committed more (the bulk of) attrocities, were the ones who held the weapons caches of the army, and thus had more weapons.  so, simple math there, not any genetic predisposition to badness.</p>
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