Comments on: The Return of MKULTRA? Evidence Mounts that Drugs Were Used on CIA “Ghost Detainees” During Coercive Interrogations http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-return-of-mkultra-evidence-mounts-that-drugs-were-used-on-cia-ghost-detainees-during-coercive-interrogations/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:51:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Solaris http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-return-of-mkultra-evidence-mounts-that-drugs-were-used-on-cia-ghost-detainees-during-coercive-interrogations/#comment-20308 Solaris Mon, 12 May 2008 16:18:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1912#comment-20308 Mk Ultra is used and is being used as a non lethal weapon. The tactical warfare does not need drugs as the assault is driven by remote areas with access to tactical hardware which attacks the electromagnetic field. See Solaris BlueRaven mk ultra/rush interview look for the release of Eye of the Remote, black operations beyond area 52. to be released late june 2008 or july08. Mk Ultra is used and is being used as a non lethal weapon. The tactical warfare does not need drugs as the assault is driven by remote areas with access to tactical hardware which attacks the electromagnetic field.

See Solaris BlueRaven mk ultra/rush interview look for the release of Eye of the Remote, black operations beyond area 52. to be released late june 2008 or july08.

]]> By: ANDREW WEAVER http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-return-of-mkultra-evidence-mounts-that-drugs-were-used-on-cia-ghost-detainees-during-coercive-interrogations/#comment-19708 ANDREW WEAVER Fri, 02 May 2008 19:22:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1912#comment-19708 The United Methodist Church, Torture and President Bush On April 11, three days after Southern Methodist University President R. Gerald Turner sent a letter to all the delegates to the South Central Jurisdictional Conference of the United Methodist Church (UMC) extolling the supposed financial advantages and other virtues of the Bush library and partisan think-tank, George W. Bush announced to the media that he has been deeply involved from the beginning in the details of the use of torture that he authorized. ABC News reported: “President Bush says he knew his top national security advisers discussed and approved specific details about how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency.” According to White House sources, the discussions about torture techniques were so detailed that some of the “interrogation sessions were almost choreographed” (1-2). A month earlier, on March 8, Bush vetoed legislation banning waterboarding and other methods of torture used by government employees. The legislation would have limited CIA agents to 19 less-aggressive tactics outlined in the U.S. Army field manual. The president stated that the government “needs to use tougher methods than the U.S. military to wrest information from terrorism suspects” (3). It has been highly documented that at least 19 prisoners have been tortured to death by the U.S. military (4). Waterboarding has a long and sickening history. It was used as a means of torture and coerced baptism during the Protestant Reformation and Spanish Inquisition to convert Jews, Mennonites, witches, and other suspected heretics. It consists of immobilizing an individual on his or her back with the head inclined downward and pouring water over the face to force the inhalation of water into the lungs. As the victim gags and chokes, the terror of imminent death is pervasive. Torture is a crime against humanity and a violation of every human rights treaty in existence. It represents a betrayal of the deepest values of the UMC that founded and built SMU. In the supposedly “less enlightened” 18th century, John Wesley explicitly preached against the torture of prisoners of war: War itself is justifiable only on principles of self-preservation: Therefore it gives us no right over prisoners, but to hinder their hurting us by confining them. Much less can it give a right to torture, or kill, or even to enslave an enemy when the war is over (5). Bush, who claims to be a “proud Methodist,” shows no sign of contrition or regret or repentance for his unchristian behavior. To the contrary, he continues to try to justify himself and protect those in our government who have used and continue to use torture. Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer in Nazi Germany rightly called the cowardliness of Christians to make evil-doers accountable for their wicked deeds “cheap grace.” Building a monument to this torturer-in-chief on a UMC campus to “celebrate this great president, celebrate his accomplishments” (6) is a defilement of our church that will permanently damage our credibility to share the good news of Jesus Christ. (1) http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/Story?id=4635175&page=1 (2) http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041908Y.shtml (3) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/08/AR2008030800304.html (4) Oath Betrayed: Military Medicine and the War on Terror by Steven H. Miles (5) http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/slavery (6) Statement by Don Evans, the Chair and a chief fundraiser for the George W. Bush foundation on Feb. 22, 2008, New York Times Andrew J. Weaver, Ph.D., is a United Methodist minister and research psychologist living in New York City. He is a graduate of The Perkins School of Theology, SMU. He has co-authored 14 books including: Counseling Survivors of Traumatic Events (Abingdon, 2003) and Reflections on Grief and the Spiritual Journey (Abingdon, 2005). The United Methodist Church, Torture and President Bush
On April 11, three days after Southern Methodist University President R. Gerald Turner sent a letter to all the delegates to the South Central Jurisdictional Conference of the United Methodist Church (UMC) extolling the supposed financial advantages and other virtues of the Bush library and partisan think-tank, George W. Bush announced to the media that he has been deeply involved from the beginning in the details of the use of torture that he authorized.
ABC News reported: “President Bush says he knew his top national security advisers discussed and approved specific details about how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency.” According to White House sources, the discussions about torture techniques were so detailed that some of the “interrogation sessions were almost choreographed” (1-2).
A month earlier, on March 8, Bush vetoed legislation banning waterboarding and other methods of torture used by government employees. The legislation would have limited CIA agents to 19 less-aggressive tactics outlined in the U.S. Army field manual. The president stated that the government “needs to use tougher methods than the U.S. military to wrest information from terrorism suspects” (3). It has been highly documented that at least 19 prisoners have been tortured to death by the U.S. military (4).
Waterboarding has a long and sickening history. It was used as a means of torture and coerced baptism during the Protestant Reformation and Spanish Inquisition to convert Jews, Mennonites, witches, and other suspected heretics. It consists of immobilizing an individual on his or her back with the head inclined downward and pouring water over the face to force the inhalation of water into the lungs. As the victim gags and chokes, the terror of imminent death is pervasive.
Torture is a crime against humanity and a violation of every human rights treaty in existence. It represents a betrayal of the deepest values of the UMC that founded and built SMU. In the supposedly “less enlightened” 18th century, John Wesley explicitly preached against the torture of prisoners of war:

War itself is justifiable only on principles of self-preservation: Therefore it gives us no right over prisoners, but to hinder their hurting us by confining them. Much less can it give a right to torture, or kill, or even to enslave an enemy when the war is over (5).

Bush, who claims to be a “proud Methodist,” shows no sign of contrition or regret or repentance for his unchristian behavior. To the contrary, he continues to try to justify himself and protect those in our government who have used and continue to use torture. Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer in Nazi Germany rightly called the cowardliness of Christians to make evil-doers accountable for their wicked deeds “cheap grace.” Building a monument to this torturer-in-chief on a UMC campus to “celebrate this great president, celebrate his accomplishments” (6) is a defilement of our church that will permanently damage our credibility to share the good news of Jesus Christ.

(1) http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/Story?id=4635175&page=1

(2) http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041908Y.shtml

(3) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/08/AR2008030800304.html

(4) Oath Betrayed: Military Medicine and the War on Terror by Steven H. Miles

(5) http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/slavery

(6) Statement by Don Evans, the Chair and a chief fundraiser for the George W. Bush foundation on Feb. 22, 2008, New York Times

Andrew J. Weaver, Ph.D., is a United Methodist minister and research psychologist living in New York City. He is a graduate of The Perkins School of Theology, SMU. He has co-authored 14 books including: Counseling Survivors of Traumatic Events (Abingdon, 2003) and Reflections on Grief and the Spiritual Journey (Abingdon, 2005).

]]> By: HR http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-return-of-mkultra-evidence-mounts-that-drugs-were-used-on-cia-ghost-detainees-during-coercive-interrogations/#comment-19302 HR Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:56:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1912#comment-19302 So, where are the indictments, from the criminal-in-chief, on down? Oops, forgot, this is the U.S. So, where are the indictments, from the criminal-in-chief, on down? Oops, forgot, this is the U.S.

]]> By: Paul J. Norton http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-return-of-mkultra-evidence-mounts-that-drugs-were-used-on-cia-ghost-detainees-during-coercive-interrogations/#comment-19267 Paul J. Norton Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:06:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1912#comment-19267 MKULTRA hasn't returned, despite having been banned by Congress it never left. George Herbert Walker Bush, the secret head of the NSA/CIA is in charge of MKULTRA, and has been for quite some time, part of the Prescott Bush industrialist/Nazi conspiracy. Operation Paperclip was the perfect opportunity for the industrialists to adopt secretive Nazi espionage techniques. MKULTRA is trauma based mind control, the torture is part of it. The Space Preservation Act, which was due to go before Congress was prevented from passing due to 9/11. This is highly significant since radiation experiments which led to direct energy mind control were discovered to have been developed alongside MKULTRA. SDI isn't about a missile defense shield, it's about psychotronic warfare, the existence of which has been documented. 9/11 was an effort for MKULTRA to avoid prosecution, and was employed to pull off the events of that day. You can bet your life on it. I have. MKULTRA hasn’t returned, despite having been banned by Congress it never left. George Herbert Walker Bush, the secret head of the NSA/CIA is in charge of MKULTRA, and has been for quite some time, part of the Prescott Bush industrialist/Nazi conspiracy. Operation Paperclip was the perfect opportunity for the industrialists to adopt secretive Nazi espionage techniques.

MKULTRA is trauma based mind control, the torture is part of it.

The Space Preservation Act, which was due to go before Congress was prevented from passing due to 9/11. This is highly significant since radiation experiments which led to direct energy mind control were discovered to have been developed alongside MKULTRA. SDI isn’t about a missile defense shield, it’s about psychotronic warfare, the existence of which has been documented.

9/11 was an effort for MKULTRA to avoid prosecution, and was employed to pull off the events of that day. You can bet your life on it. I have.

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