Comments on: Philip Morris International Commences New Plans to Spread Death and Disease http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:39:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: joe http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18454 joe Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:35:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18454 Whoa! I've not been this pleased with a group of responses to an essay for years. Thanks to each and every one of you! I've been in despair, thinking that the whole nation had been hypnotized by all this bs... Fortunately, I was wrong. Thanks again, you guyz... Whoa!
I’ve not been this pleased with a group of responses to an essay for years. Thanks to each and every one of you!
I’ve been in despair, thinking that the whole nation had been hypnotized by all this bs…
Fortunately, I was wrong.
Thanks again, you guyz…

]]> By: Raven http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18449 Raven Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:53:04 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18449 Maybe all those people died from smoking-related deaths because their health insurance wouldn't cover treatment for a "pre-existing condition," or didn't have health insurance at all. Maybe all those people died from smoking-related deaths because their health insurance wouldn’t cover treatment for a “pre-existing condition,” or didn’t have health insurance at all.

]]> By: John Concannon http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18436 John Concannon Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:35:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18436 Mr Weissman, What agenda are you working from. I have seldom heard such unsubstantiated claims that you write about. When you state that WHO estimate, then I have to assume that they don't know and make up the numbers as they go along. This very unhealthy trend towards health faschism and complete disregard for civil rights let alone freedom of choice is an insult to humanity and is already causing social and mental health problems. Mr Weissman, please play your social engineering games somewhere else, we are really sick and tired of them. Mr Weissman,
What agenda are you working from. I have seldom heard such unsubstantiated claims that you write about. When you state that WHO estimate, then I have to assume that they don’t know and make up the numbers as they go along.
This very unhealthy trend towards health faschism and complete disregard for civil rights let alone freedom of choice is an insult to humanity and is already causing social and mental health problems.
Mr Weissman, please play your social engineering games somewhere else, we are really sick and tired of them.

]]> By: Steve http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18431 Steve Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:50:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18431 "Dissident voice! a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and justice" - WHAT??? The title of this website is an INSULT to the genuine struggles for peace and justice. - Have you not realised that the debate has moved on - big tobacco are nowhere near as powerful as big pharma (as previous comments have already made clear). Your struggle should be against those manipulating pharmaceutical industries, the corrupt WHO , ASH and the masses of junk science that is being produced daily for those organisations. They have perpetrated the biggest deceiption in modern history for the benefit of profit and power - mistakenly referred to, by you, as ;- "one of the world’s great public health stories". They have been aided by governments duped into enacting legislation that represents the greatest threat to freedom since Hitler. The 'evidence' proving that everyone is dying because of smoking and passive smoking is now seriously under threat by studies and science that have been hidden or ignored in the past - and new evidence that is appearing daily. Dissident Voice !! - Before posting pro-control government and anti-smoking propaganda - do some proper research of your own - then print the truth - or change your name !! No - I have nothing to do with any big pharma or big tobacco organisation ,in case you decide to use that to explain my disgust at your article. I am just an ordinary person who can see through the lies and deceipt, that clearly you cannot. “Dissident voice! a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and justice” - WHAT???
The title of this website is an INSULT to the genuine struggles for peace and justice. - Have you not realised that the debate has moved on - big tobacco are nowhere near as powerful as big pharma (as previous comments have already made clear). Your struggle should be against those manipulating pharmaceutical industries, the corrupt WHO , ASH and the masses of junk science that is being produced daily for those organisations. They have perpetrated the biggest deceiption in modern history for the benefit of profit and power - mistakenly referred to, by you, as ;- “one of the world’s great public health stories”. They have been aided by governments duped into enacting legislation that represents the greatest threat to freedom since Hitler.
The ‘evidence’ proving that everyone is dying because of smoking and passive smoking is now seriously under threat by studies and science that have been hidden or ignored in the past - and new evidence that is appearing daily.
Dissident Voice !! - Before posting pro-control government and anti-smoking propaganda - do some proper research of your own - then print the truth - or change your name !!
No - I have nothing to do with any big pharma or big tobacco organisation ,in case you decide to use that to explain my disgust at your article. I am just an ordinary person who can see through the lies and deceipt, that clearly you cannot.

]]> By: mandyv http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18426 mandyv Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:35:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18426 Maybe the antis need to re look at Kitty Littles work. Just because you have smoke haters, it soes not mean cover ups for other industry should be piled onto the smokers. It is a national scandal, what is going on at the moment. http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/diesel_lung_cancer.html Oxford's cancer expert, Sir Richard Doll, writing in The American Journal of Public Health , said that increasing cancer mortality "can be accounted for in all industrialized countries by the spread of cigarette smoking." Unfortunately, this statement tends to be believed, despite the evidence against it. If smoking were a cause of any cancer, lung cancer is the most likely one. It was Sir Richard Doll who implicated smoking in a study published in 1964 - despite his own published data from that study which showed that people who inhaled cigarette smoke had less lung cancer than those who didn't! The real cause of lung cancer, according to another Oxford research scientist, Dr. Kitty Little, is diesel fumes. And the evidence here is much more persuasive. It includes the facts that: This makes more sense, than anything the antis have to say. We have the oldest living generation ever, who lived through the biggest so called "passive smoking" eras. But they were not subjected to the amount of pollution coming from so many vehicles, were they? freedom2choose.info for tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike Maybe the antis need to re look at Kitty Littles work. Just because you have smoke haters, it soes not mean cover ups for other industry should be piled onto the smokers. It is a national scandal, what is going on at the moment.
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/diesel_lung_cancer.html
Oxford’s cancer expert, Sir Richard Doll, writing in The American Journal of Public Health , said that increasing cancer mortality “can be accounted for in all industrialized countries by the spread of cigarette smoking.” Unfortunately, this statement tends to be believed, despite the evidence against it.
If smoking were a cause of any cancer, lung cancer is the most likely one. It was Sir Richard Doll who implicated smoking in a study published in 1964 - despite his own published data from that study which showed that people who inhaled cigarette smoke had less lung cancer than those who didn’t!
The real cause of lung cancer, according to another Oxford research scientist, Dr. Kitty Little, is diesel fumes. And the evidence here is much more persuasive. It includes the facts that:

This makes more sense, than anything the antis have to say. We have the oldest living generation ever, who lived through the biggest so called “passive smoking” eras. But they were not subjected to the amount of pollution coming from so many vehicles, were they?
freedom2choose.info for tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike

]]> By: Mack Fricke http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18423 Mack Fricke Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:49:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18423 400,000+ Americans will die this year from cigarettes. Yet somehow, not a single one died from smoking before warning labels appeared on the packages in the mid-1960s. I guess 3 years of law school are required to understand how this is justice. 400,000+ Americans will die this year from cigarettes. Yet somehow, not a single one died from smoking before warning labels appeared on the packages in the mid-1960s. I guess 3 years of law school are required to understand how this is justice.

]]> By: David Atherton http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18419 David Atherton Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:21:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18419 Mr Weissman, I trust you are well. In 1967 I sat in my school assembly listening to the radio before the Principal got up to impart wisdom to us. It was switched on to keep us quiet and the teachers to catch up with the news. On that fateful day, I think in early spring the news reader said that new resarch into smoking and lung cancer had confirmed the link by Professor Doll from the 1950's. The reason I remember it so well is that my dad smoked and I was worried. My point is that there must not be one person in the world who is not aware of the dangers of ACTIVE smoking, including me who smokes. I may have some sympathy with the aggressive way Marlboro market their cigarettes, but at the end of the day 100% of smokers had, have and will have choices as to whether to smoke or not. I do not need self appointed narcists dictating to me my and other people's lifestyles. There is no peace and social justice imposing your will on me or my fellow smokers. Mr Weissman, I trust you are well. In 1967 I sat in my school assembly listening to the radio before the Principal got up to impart wisdom to us. It was switched on to keep us quiet and the teachers to catch up with the news. On that fateful day, I think in early spring the news reader said that new resarch into smoking and lung cancer had confirmed the link by Professor Doll from the 1950’s. The reason I remember it so well is that my dad smoked and I was worried. My point is that there must not be one person in the world who is not aware of the dangers of ACTIVE smoking, including me who smokes. I may have some sympathy with the aggressive way Marlboro market their cigarettes, but at the end of the day 100% of smokers had, have and will have choices as to whether to smoke or not. I do not need self appointed narcists dictating to me my and other people’s lifestyles. There is no peace and social justice imposing your will on me or my fellow smokers.

]]> By: level playing field http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18411 level playing field Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:44:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/philip-morris-international-commences-new-plans-to-spread-death-and-disease/#comment-18411 What a load of anti-tobacco nonsense! Surely its about time the conspiracy theorists about tobacco being the root of all evil, came to their senses. What about the other side of the coin? What about the World Health Organisation and its pharmaceutical industry backed dictat? They lobby governments to change public policy in order to sell their drugs and treatment and gain control of the nicotine trade. Not to mention their using third world countries to test their drugs. NRT is the new tobacco and Big Pharma control it. They can sell their products direct to Governments, and receive free advertising and tax payer subsidies for their wares. And it has a 93% failure rate in stopping smoking. No wonder, if you enjoy nicotine why wear a patch when you can relax with a cigarette? And meanwhile Big(though considerably smaller in comparison) Tobacco are hamstrung by the Big Pharma sponsored conventions on tobacco control and other international legislation. Leaving Pharma to peddle other forms of nicotine and anti-depressants(xyban anyone?) that can kill alot quicker than cigarette smoking. What a load of anti-tobacco nonsense!
Surely its about time the conspiracy theorists about tobacco being the root of all evil, came to their senses.

What about the other side of the coin?
What about the World Health Organisation and its pharmaceutical industry backed dictat? They lobby governments to change public policy in order to sell their drugs and treatment and gain control of the nicotine trade. Not to mention their using third world countries to test their drugs.
NRT is the new tobacco and Big Pharma control it. They can sell their products direct to Governments, and receive free advertising and tax payer subsidies for their wares. And it has a 93% failure rate in stopping smoking. No wonder, if you enjoy nicotine why wear a patch when you can relax with a cigarette?
And meanwhile Big(though considerably smaller in comparison) Tobacco are hamstrung by the Big Pharma sponsored conventions on tobacco control and other international legislation.
Leaving Pharma to peddle other forms of nicotine and anti-depressants(xyban anyone?) that can kill alot quicker than cigarette smoking.

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