So Mike McNiven I think that’s why this country is “fooled by Obama”.

There is an element, however, who are what we might agree of as thinkers. Michael Lerner seems to see in Obama a Robert Kennedy, a MLK , the Civil Rights Movement and the 60/70 anti-war movement all wrapped up in one. Lerner represents a sliver of so-called progressives who are willing to forgive Obama all of his equivocating and weak kneed positions, for some grand notion of an educated black man as head of state and for them that trumps almost everything else. I’d call it white guilt except we see it among black intellectuals for what appears to be the same “reason”. So, Obama can talk about support of a Reagan foreign policy and align with the old anti-60s Republican/Yellow Dog Dems and get away with it - these “progessives” are totally deaf to what Obama says as he leans to the right with endless Iraq occupation.

Argue the points of the article like an adult, rather than dish out ad hominems against the author (e.g. punk. liar, pseudo intellectual, etc.). If you’re not capable of doing that, you’ll be banned from the Comments board.

Enjoy your Klan meeting tonight.

And, yes, if you care about children and the future of the country, the point is to do whatever it takes to give all children an excellent childhood. Immoral jackasses like “hp” would rather just bash on absent fathers, and pretend their harangues are adequate to the problem and its ethics.

And the problem isn’t just childhood, either. It’s class. Why do you imagine the lower-class folks act differently, Timber? Either they are an inferior sub-species, or their conditions are brutal and make them depressed and impulsive. If it’s the latter, then why don’t we as a society do what it takes to raise the conditions? That’s what they do in the rest of the rich countries, and it works.

Max…You are right about Nader. I guess that’s why he doesn’t get enough votes to beat the other guys. He is NOT a politician. Nader is one of the nicest, most genuine people anyone could know. He is truly a Statesman, and definately not a politician.

Timber, why, when you say it, is it not ‘theofascist ranting,’ but when I say it, it is? I didn’t realize being a little blunter equaled a skid into theofascism, what ever that is.
Where does the theo part come in?
Was I mean mouthing God too, or praising him?.
I fail to find that either.
Either I’m writing in invisible ink or you guys are seeing things.
I mean, c’mon, I know it’s a little boring around here but no need to embellish for my sake.

Rosemarie, in many respects that’s true of Nader as well.

But aside from that, Obama is clearly following a proud Democrat position of making vague, optimistic-sounding declarations without having the courage to refer to history or make specific policy suggestions. I firmly believe that an Obama presidency, rather than being an agent of change, will instead serve only to convince wishy-washy liberals and Democrats that the policies they’ve complained about for the last eight years weren’t so wrong after all. It will legitimize the crimes of the Bush administration, and undermine any remaining efforts to implement real change.

And though I’m not defending hp’s theofascist ranting, I’ve spent a bunch of years working and living alongside blue-collar, low-income guys of every race and background, and the unfortunate reality is that some of them refuse to practice any kind of personal responsibility when it comes to family planning. As long as the culture continues to treat simple reproduction as a miraculous event and a mark of manhood, some losers will see being a babymaker as a status symbol, regardless of what happens with the child after it is conceived.

Michael,
hp is not a fascist, I agree with much of what he says on most issues except race—where he does look a bit reactionary.

I liked the article by the way

But the whole thing goes much deeper than just parenting. It also has a great deal to do with school funding and social class in general.

Have you seen the book by Ann Crittenden, _The Price of Motherhood_? It’s right on your point.

Hp, you’re a total ignoramus reactionary douchebag.