Comments on: From One Dictator to the Next http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:01:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Shabnam http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18500 Shabnam Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:30:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18500 Stability in Iraq is beneficial to everyone in the region except US and Israel who want to continue the status quo in order to implement their plan of dividing the Middle East to create allies for Israel and to have permanent military base in, at least, North of Iraq, to control the resources and strengthen Israel’s position against others, Arabs and Iranians. The authors of this post have ignored these facts known to everyone in the region and are repeating the “Arab moderate states” position since they cooperate with the occupational forces on “war on terror”, a phony construct of the West. Those who comment: “Iran, as Venezuela and Russia, have profited immensely off oil revenues - thanks to War on Iraq.” are not familiar with elementary history of the region. Iran and people of the region do not want wars and destruction of their societies. Most of the “profit” from Iraq is pocketed by Israel, Russia and the Kurds on expenses of others in the region, not Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shaOZnhHuQw&feature=related Bush who sold the WMD story to ignorant Americans and took the nation based on lies to war and has killed more than 1.2 millions Iraqi people feels he has no options except to continue his terror in cooperation with Israel and the Kurdish terrorists who are trained by Israel for a long time and expand their terror to destabilize Iran and Syria by the Kurds, to stay in Iraq indefinitely on a pretext that if we leave “a civil war” will erupt. In fact all the “sectarian fights” is encouraged and manipulated by the US, Israel and the inputs from the Arab puppet States that is called “Arab Moderates.” When the US and Israeli regards Hezbollah who are engaged in self defense against an aggressive state as “terrorists” but support and train PJAK (Party for free life in Kurdistan) an arm of the PKK, to kill Iranians to destabilize Iran and Syria, this is a double standard policy which benefits Israel’s vision of “the greater middle east” which is based on partition of the regional states. The plan has been documented by the Center for Research at the Kurdish Library in New York. According to the plan, US and Massoud Barzani made a deal to follow the Israeli plan where was masterminded by Leslie Gelb, to divide Iraq to create allies and oil resources available to the apartheid state, Israel. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/inside-iraq-is-israel-helping-iraqs-kurds-09-nov-07-pt-2/167989877 There is a long history of cooperation between Israel and Kurds against the interest of Kurds themselves and the region for the past few decades. A number of Israeli companies have won contracts with the Kurdish government in northern Iraq to train and equip Kurdish security forces and build an international airport, Yedioth Ahronoth reports. Dozens of Israelis with a background in elite military combat training have been working in northern Iraq where they train and equip Kurds for military activities. In addition to Motorola and Magalcom, a company owned by Israeli entrepreneur Shlomi Michaels is in full business partnership with the Kurdish government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTt84I3bxF4&eurl=http://payvand.com/news/ Stability in Iraq is beneficial to everyone in the region except US and Israel who want to continue the status quo in order to implement their plan of dividing the Middle East to create allies for Israel and to have permanent military base in, at least, North of Iraq, to control the resources and strengthen Israel’s position against others, Arabs and Iranians. The authors of this post have ignored these facts known to everyone in the region and are repeating the “Arab moderate states” position since they cooperate with the occupational forces on “war on terror”, a phony construct of the West. Those who comment:
“Iran, as Venezuela and Russia, have profited immensely off oil revenues - thanks to War on Iraq.” are not familiar with elementary history of the region. Iran and people of the region do not want wars and destruction of their societies. Most of the “profit” from Iraq is pocketed by Israel, Russia and the Kurds on expenses of others in the region, not Iran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shaOZnhHuQw&feature=related
Bush who sold the WMD story to ignorant Americans and took the nation based on lies to war and has killed more than 1.2 millions Iraqi people feels he has no options except to continue his terror in cooperation with Israel and the Kurdish terrorists who are trained by Israel for a long time and expand their terror to destabilize Iran and Syria by the Kurds, to stay in Iraq indefinitely on a pretext that if we leave “a civil war” will erupt. In fact all the “sectarian fights” is encouraged and manipulated by the US, Israel and the inputs from the Arab puppet States that is called “Arab Moderates.”
When the US and Israeli regards Hezbollah who are engaged in self defense against an aggressive state as “terrorists” but support and train PJAK (Party for free life in Kurdistan) an arm of the PKK, to kill Iranians to destabilize Iran and Syria, this is a double standard policy which benefits Israel’s vision of “the greater middle east” which is based on partition of the regional states.
The plan has been documented by the Center for Research at the Kurdish Library in New York. According to the plan, US and Massoud Barzani made a deal to follow the Israeli plan where was masterminded by Leslie Gelb, to divide Iraq to create allies and oil resources available to the apartheid state, Israel.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/inside-iraq-is-israel-helping-iraqs-kurds-09-nov-07-pt-2/167989877
There is a long history of cooperation between Israel and Kurds against the interest of Kurds themselves and the region for the past few decades. A number of Israeli companies have won contracts with the Kurdish government in northern Iraq to train and equip Kurdish security forces and build an international airport, Yedioth Ahronoth reports. Dozens of Israelis with a background in elite military combat training have been working in northern Iraq where they train and equip Kurds for military activities.
In addition to Motorola and Magalcom, a company owned by Israeli entrepreneur Shlomi Michaels is in full business partnership with the Kurdish government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTt84I3bxF4&eurl=http://payvand.com/news/

]]> By: evie http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18408 evie Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:32:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18408 Whie I don't buy that Iranians (pols/clerics) are actively seeking to contribute efforts to stabilize the region, not yet, I agree Iran is not capable of exporting its model in the region. Iran, as Venezuela and Russia, have profited immensely off oil revenues - thanks to War on Iraq. If and when the "ruling class" around the world are sated with profit - then "peace" treaties and deals will be signed. Eggheads and statesmen worldwide will diagram and explain the whys and wherefores, eloquently of course. Each claiming his nation/group had only the best intentions. The "peacemakers" will praise themselves for their hard work, over dinner in Paris, Brussels, London .... they will receive global awards, honors, prizes ... their middle class/affluent followers will call them wise men, and will call the disgruntled little people backwards and "bitter." Rebels will fade away/backoff, pulling the occasional act of terror to remind Joe Blow danger is out there. As always, the little people hang a flag, bury their dead, and try not to dwell too long on all the lies and b.s. their "leaders" tell them. Whie I don’t buy that Iranians (pols/clerics) are actively seeking to contribute efforts to stabilize the region, not yet, I agree Iran is not capable of exporting its model in the region.

Iran, as Venezuela and Russia, have profited immensely off oil revenues - thanks to War on Iraq. If and when the “ruling class” around the world are sated with profit - then “peace” treaties and deals will be signed.

Eggheads and statesmen worldwide will diagram and explain the whys and wherefores, eloquently of course. Each claiming his nation/group had only the best intentions.

The “peacemakers” will praise themselves for their hard work, over dinner in Paris, Brussels, London …. they will receive global awards, honors, prizes … their middle class/affluent followers will call them wise men, and will call the disgruntled little people backwards and “bitter.” Rebels will fade away/backoff, pulling the occasional act of terror to remind Joe Blow danger is out there.

As always, the little people hang a flag, bury their dead, and try not to dwell too long on all the lies and b.s. their “leaders” tell them.

]]> By: Shabnam http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18365 Shabnam Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:36:13 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18365 This paper is inaccurate, misleading, and leaves the main factor, the occupation forces, US-Israel-Britain, out of the loop and is presenting Iran, incorrectly, as a country which pulls ALL THE STRINGS in her favor to rise as “Persian empire", as Walid Jumblat an Israeli puppet painted Iran, a phony term created by William Safire 12 years ago to deflect attention from Israel. You write: “It is widely believed in Iraq that parties who call for unity are using the issue to get public support against federalism, seen to be supported by the U.S. and Iranian backed parties such as the SIIC and Maliki’s Dawa Party. Many in Iraq see federalism as the break-up of the country.” This is misleading. Iran is against federalism because they know federalism is a pretext for nationhood. Everyone is familiar with Israel’s plan to divide the Middle East except the above writers who misrepresents Iranian's position. Raghida Dergham, an Egyptian columnist ... wrote: “According to Gelb, this suggestion is based on a strategy to divide Iraq, aimed at strengthening the Kurds and Shiites, and weakening the Sunnis.” http://www.raghidadergham.com/archive/arich11_28_03.html She wrote that officially, the U.S. administration opposes the division of Iraq. ... But in 2008, Raghida Dergham tries to paint Iran a threat in the region, repeating the occupation forces’ rhetoric about Iran and leaves Israel, the designer of divided Iraq off the hook. Iran is trying to play a positive role to bring stability to Iraq and the region in order to prevent another disastrous war. It is the Kurds who are spying for Israel for the past 50 years and are receiving military training by Israel to carry out Israel’s agenda and work with the US and Israel against other groups. You even do not listen to other Arabs who are writing about the reason behind Iraq division on basis of ethnic and religious divide which is not supported by any one except Kurds. Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim has recently raised the same vision ... http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/634/op2.htm Israeli-Kurdish clandestine partnership gained momentum following the 2003 US invasion of Iraq, with the blessings of the neo-conservative architects of the war. It is an open secret that Dick Cheney's Israeli-backed strategists planned the partition of Iraq. You write: “Our problem in the southern parts of Iraq and other Shia dominated areas is that all options are bad,” the chief of a major tribe in Basra who fled for Baghdad, told IPS on condition of anonymity. “Iranian controlled militias killed so many chiefs of tribes because they refused to support these division projects concealed under the flag of federalism.” This is NOT TRUE AT ALL. The only group who has done everything to push the division of Iraq and neighboring countries is Israel and Kurds. Why Iran should support Israel’s plan that is targeting Iran’s own integrity? Iran has many minorities, including Kurds, Azeri; Baluch who are encouraged to form secessionist movement among them to create allies for Israel against Arabs to strengthen her position. Iranian people never would allow that to happen. This plan covers Sudan as well. Writers are repeating the line of the “moderate Arab states” where have positioned themselves on US side. Everyone in the region sees Kurdistan as ANOTHER ISRAEL and is against such a development. Everyone in the region is for UNIFIED IRAQ except Israel and its lobby in the US Kissinger, Gelb, Lieberman and Joseph Bidon. You write: “The real battle is over the fate of Arab-Iranian relations in the light of Iran's insistence that it has the upper hand, allowing it to finally export its model to the rest of the region.” This is not true. Iran never forced anyone to copy its political model anywhere in the region. Iran has difficulty to sell its model to its own population forget about others. ... Iran is a target not a threat. In short, Iran has signaled its readiness to contribute to stabilizing the region, which is a crucial precondition for any sane approach to U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq. This paper is inaccurate, misleading, and leaves the main factor, the occupation forces, US-Israel-Britain, out of the loop and is presenting Iran, incorrectly, as a country which pulls ALL THE STRINGS in her favor to rise as “Persian empire”, as Walid Jumblat an Israeli puppet painted Iran, a phony term created by William Safire 12 years ago to deflect attention from Israel. You write:

“It is widely believed in Iraq that parties who call for unity are using the issue to get public support against federalism, seen to be supported by the U.S. and Iranian backed parties such as the SIIC and Maliki’s Dawa Party. Many in Iraq see federalism as the break-up of the country.”
This is misleading. Iran is against federalism because they know federalism is a pretext for nationhood. Everyone is familiar with Israel’s plan to divide the Middle East except the above writers who misrepresents Iranian’s position.
Raghida Dergham, an Egyptian columnist … wrote:
“According to Gelb, this suggestion is based on a strategy to divide Iraq, aimed at strengthening the Kurds and Shiites, and weakening the Sunnis.”
http://www.raghidadergham.com/archive/arich11_28_03.html

She wrote that officially, the U.S. administration opposes the division of Iraq. …
But in 2008, Raghida Dergham tries to paint Iran a threat in the region, repeating the occupation forces’ rhetoric about Iran and leaves Israel, the designer of divided Iraq off the hook.
Iran is trying to play a positive role to bring stability to Iraq and the region in order to prevent another disastrous war. It is the Kurds who are spying for Israel for the past 50 years and are receiving military training by Israel to carry out Israel’s agenda and work with the US and Israel against other groups. You even do not listen to other Arabs who are writing about the reason behind Iraq division on basis of ethnic and religious divide which is not supported by any one except Kurds.
Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim has recently raised the same vision …
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/634/op2.htm

Israeli-Kurdish clandestine partnership gained momentum following the 2003 US invasion of Iraq, with the blessings of the neo-conservative architects of the war. It is an open secret that Dick Cheney’s Israeli-backed strategists planned the partition of Iraq.
You write: “Our problem in the southern parts of Iraq and other Shia dominated areas is that all options are bad,” the chief of a major tribe in Basra who fled for Baghdad, told IPS on condition of anonymity. “Iranian controlled militias killed so many chiefs of tribes because they refused to support these division projects concealed under the flag of federalism.”
This is NOT TRUE AT ALL. The only group who has done everything to push the division of Iraq and neighboring countries is Israel and Kurds. Why Iran should support Israel’s plan that is targeting Iran’s own integrity? Iran has many minorities, including Kurds, Azeri; Baluch who are encouraged to form secessionist movement among them to create allies for Israel against Arabs to strengthen her position. Iranian people never would allow that to happen. This plan covers Sudan as well. Writers are repeating the line of the “moderate Arab states” where have positioned themselves on US side. Everyone in the region sees Kurdistan as ANOTHER ISRAEL and is against such a development. Everyone in the region is for UNIFIED IRAQ except Israel and its lobby in the US Kissinger, Gelb, Lieberman and Joseph Bidon. You write:
“The real battle is over the fate of Arab-Iranian relations in the light of Iran’s insistence that it has the upper hand, allowing it to finally export its model to the rest of the region.”
This is not true. Iran never forced anyone to copy its political model anywhere in the region. Iran has difficulty to sell its model to its own population forget about others. … Iran is a target not a threat.
In short, Iran has signaled its readiness to contribute to stabilizing the region, which is a crucial precondition for any sane approach to U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.

]]> By: evie http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18328 evie Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:21:04 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18328 No, I don't think Sistani is giving orders. At almost 80 y/o and in failing health since 2004 the word is his aides write his press releases and edicts. I believe Sistani followers remain moderate but more of them are going over to the young gun Sadr now. Sadr should not have the following and power he does b/c he has yet to reach the level of religious study required to lead but given the circumstances of the invasion, Sadr's militancy, and that Iraq has a huge population of youth .... the young turn to Sadr. No, I don’t think Sistani is giving orders. At almost 80 y/o and in failing health since 2004 the word is his aides write his press releases and edicts. I believe Sistani followers remain moderate but more of them are going over to the young gun Sadr now.

Sadr should not have the following and power he does b/c he has yet to reach the level of religious study required to lead but given the circumstances of the invasion, Sadr’s militancy, and that Iraq has a huge population of youth …. the young turn to Sadr.

]]> By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18320 hp Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:28:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18320 You don't think Sadr takes his orders from Sistani? The Grand Ayatollah of Iraq, who replaced Sadr's father. You don’t think Sadr takes his orders from Sistani?
The Grand Ayatollah of Iraq, who replaced Sadr’s father.

]]> By: evie http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18313 evie Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:44:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18313 Yes, but Sadr is issuing orders from Qom, Iran. Yes, but Sadr is issuing orders from Qom, Iran.

]]> By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18311 hp Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:36:49 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18311 The Ayatollah Sistani is Iranian. The Ayatollah Sistani is Iranian.

]]> By: evie http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18295 evie Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:21:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/from-one-dictator-to-the-next/#comment-18295 "It is widely believed in Iraq that parties who call for unity are using the issue to get public support against federalism, seen to be supported by the U.S. and Iranian backed parties such as the SIIC and Maliki’s Dawa Party." ... Sadr is another face of the Iranian project, despite their pretending to be a national movement,” Jassam Hady..."Iranian controlled militias killed ..." and "The whole of the south will be swallowed by Iran,..." --- Iranian backed parties, Iranian project, Iranian controlled militias ... guess Bush the smirking Boy Blunder is correct when he claims Iran is dicking around in Iraq? “It is widely believed in Iraq that parties who call for unity are using the issue to get public support against federalism, seen to be supported by the U.S. and Iranian backed parties such as the SIIC and Maliki’s Dawa Party.” … Sadr is another face of the Iranian project, despite their pretending to be a national movement,” Jassam Hady…”Iranian controlled militias killed …” and “The whole of the south will be swallowed by Iran,…”

— Iranian backed parties, Iranian project, Iranian controlled militias … guess Bush the smirking Boy Blunder is correct when he claims Iran is dicking around in Iraq?

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