Comments on: FBI’s “Quantico Circuit” — Still Spying, Still Lying

By: Lloyd Rowsey

Lloyd Rowsey — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:45:15 +0000

hp. I would expect a media person like Tom to not even understand my objection/question. After all, there’s apparently an investigative-academic problem with believing the most consequential facts are secret.

And Tom. I would expect a National Intelligence (NI, right?) person to attribute to public laziness what in fact secrecy (National Intelligence) accomplishes.

But the two are mutually contradictory, I hope one of you at least has the intelligence to grasp. So which is it? In your biased and evidently not very well-researched or thought-thru opinions?

By: Andres Kargar

Andres Kargar — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:06:10 +0000

By now, only simpletons think that the Bush regime is spending billions of our tax dollars on this war of terror to catch a handful of Middle Eastern so-called terrorists.

The truth is that, as far as America’s owning classes are concerned, the real subversives in this struggle are the American people. Despite such repressive apparatus as the police force, prisons, internment camps, etc., those in power realize that a good deal of their projection of mass control is smoke and mirrors achieved with the full collaboration of the corporate media which they own. Yes, they are scared to death of common, ordinary Americans and use all means at their disposal to keep an eye on them, particularly in times of political / economic crises.

By: hp

hp — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:39:43 +0000

My brother, who is in NI, once told me; “there are no secrets, it’s just that hardly anyone gives a fuck.”

By: Tom Burghardt

Tom Burghardt — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:22:30 +0000

Hi Lloyd,

I’m not familiar with that page… I don’t mind if others post my articles, although permission and/or notice that they did would be nice! ;)

DV posts or doesn’t post at their discretion… I certainly appreciate it when they do.

As far as CALEA goes, it became operative in 1994 when the law was passed. How far back does domestic spying go? Well, in my opinion, “security” ops such as COINTELPRO and/or the NSA’s ECHELON never ended. More troubling is the latest trend: intelligence/security outsourcing to private corporations.

“Imagine the truth”? Well, as we all know: “The Truth is Out There”! :)

By: Lloyd Rowsey

Lloyd Rowsey — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:55:55 +0000

Hi, Tom. I saw this piece at White Light Black Light on April 9, and posted a comment about it. Posting there is almost prohibitively complicated if you don’t have a website, and very few articles there have comments. Unlike here at DV. However, I was very interested in hearing your response to my WLBL post and would feel remiss not to repeat it here:

“I enjoyed this, Tom, and was a little surprised not to see it at Dissident Voice. Uncovering this shit that is happening now, is a (the?) most important thing. But reading your words: “Since 1994…the…CALEA (established it as) telecommunications carrier’s (sic) duty to cooperate…for Law Enforcement purposes, and for OTHER PURPOSES” (your emphasis), I have to wonder: how long? and how widespread?

That is, is the operative limitation on how far back this shit goes, and can be discovered, technology or secrecy?

For that matter, is what I used to believe was NECESSARY — “Imagine the truth” — necessary in regards to the subject of spying on Americans.

Lloyd Rowsey”

By: evie

evie — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:54:24 +0000

Isn’t it great the mainstream media, like WaPo, tells us what BigBrother can do, and non-profit donation-funded foundations have sprung up like flowers on cow patties, to protect and inform us.

I will no longer be using my phone or internet to discuss a coup d’état.

By: Tom Burghardt

Tom Burghardt — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:08:24 +0000

Sorry about the multiple comments, way too much wine and way too much barbeque on this beautiful northern California spring day! :)

By: Tom Burghardt

Tom Burghardt — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:04:26 +0000

Duh! Better hit me over the head with a mallet, next time, hp! ;)

I’m afraid, Catherine, the state’s heard my voice transmissions all-too-clearly over the years. As far as I’m personally concerned, its already too late! ;)

But my view on the question is clear and concise: fuck ‘em! :)

By: Tom Burghardt

Tom Burghardt — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:03:58 +0000

Duh! Better hit me over the head with a mallet, next time, hp! ;)

I’m afraid, Catherine, the state’s heard my voice transmissions all-too-clearly over the years. As far as I’m personally concerned, its already too late! ;)

But my view o the question is clear and concise: fuck ‘em! :)

By: Tom Burghardt

Tom Burghardt — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:02:50 +0000

Duh! Better hit over the head with a mallet, next time! ;)

I’m afraid, Catherine, the state’s heard my voice transmissions all-too-clearly over the years. As far as I’m personally concerned, its already too late! ;)

My view is concise: fuck ‘em! :)

By: catherine

catherine — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:14:03 +0000

Tom, I think hp is making a funny. He’s asking you to speak up, so that your tapped voice transmissions can be more easily heard by Big Brother.

If only it were funny, though we must keep laughing and mocking and in general refusing to let them control us through fear.

By: Tom Burghardt

Tom Burghardt — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:46:28 +0000

I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking, hp. My point in the last graph was that congressional Democrats have been complicit with Bush regime moves to lift all restrictions on domestic surveillance and military ops.

By: hp

hp — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:47:05 +0000

Tom, could you speak up a bit? I didn’t quite get that last part…