Comments on: Allegations of “Elitism” Also Brought Down America’s Founding Fathers http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:54:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Don Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18973 Don Hawkins Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:25:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18973 With nine months left in a presidency that was for too long dismissive of the issue, President George W. Bush has decided to get involved with global warming. While the issue is one that cries out for American leadership, major policy changes are probably best left to the next administration and the new Congress. All three of the remaining major candidates for president have taken a far more aggressive posture than Bush has on curbing U.S. contributions to global warming. It will be better to do something right, as a priority item, next year - in tandem with negotiating a successor to the Kyoto Accord, which expires in 2012 and never has been agreed to by the United States. The framework for a new agreement is expected to be shaped this summer at a meeting of the world's major economic powers in Paris. U.S. negotiators will stress, and rightfully so, that industrialized nations not bear a disproportionate burden of reducing pollution that contributes to global warming while developing countries are virtually unrestricted. That has been the deal-breaker for the Bush administration on Kyoto. But that has also been a convenient excuse for doing nothing as the visible impacts of global warming increase. While Bush acknowledged in a speech recently the need to curb emissions of heat- trapping greenhouse gases from power plants, he proposed only slowing their growth over the next 10 to 15 years before mandating any decline. According to the U.S. Department of Energy, coal-fired electric plants put out 27 percent of the gases that contribute to global warming. The president said he would oppose any plans that raise taxes, create overlapping regulation, or would hurt the economy by hampering trade. U.S. Rep. John Dingell, D-Dearborn, and chairman of the House Commerce Committee, which handles energy legislation, was among those in Congress asking, in effect, if all that's off the table, what's on it? Dingell said he had "for now" abandoned plans to instigate a national debate on such ideas as a carbon fee, higher gas taxes and a limited mortgage interest deduction for large homes because "our economy has taken a hard downward turn and now is not the time for us to put any additional financial burden on the working families of Michigan and the nation." But Dingell also said response to his idea has convinced him that "people desperately want action on global warming" and "economists and other experts continue to inform us that a carbon tax is the most effective and efficient way at getting at the problem of global warming." For the moment, though, he said, "we need to focus our attention on ways of making groceries, utilities, and health care more affordable. ... We must take bold action to stimulate our economy." So the short of it: For years, the Bush administration has had other priorities. Now, the nation does. And the long of it: Global warming will still be there to be reckoned with next year, and the year after that and the year after that. --Detroit Free Press Again think of this as kind of a war. With nine months left in a presidency that was for too long dismissive of the issue, President George W. Bush has decided to get involved with global warming. While the issue is one that cries out for American leadership, major policy changes are probably best left to the next administration and the new Congress.
All three of the remaining major candidates for president have taken a far more aggressive posture than Bush has on curbing U.S. contributions to global warming. It will be better to do something right, as a priority item, next year - in tandem with negotiating a successor to the Kyoto Accord, which expires in 2012 and never has been agreed to by the United States.
The framework for a new agreement is expected to be shaped this summer at a meeting of the world’s major economic powers in Paris. U.S. negotiators will stress, and rightfully so, that industrialized nations not bear a disproportionate burden of reducing pollution that contributes to global warming while developing countries are virtually unrestricted. That has been the deal-breaker for the Bush administration on Kyoto. But that has also been a convenient excuse for doing nothing as the visible impacts of global warming increase.
While Bush acknowledged in a speech recently the need to curb emissions of heat- trapping greenhouse gases from power plants, he proposed only slowing their growth over the next 10 to 15 years before mandating any decline. According to the U.S. Department of Energy, coal-fired electric plants put out 27 percent of the gases that contribute to global warming. The president said he would oppose any plans that raise taxes, create overlapping regulation, or would hurt the economy by hampering trade.
U.S. Rep. John Dingell, D-Dearborn, and chairman of the House Commerce Committee, which handles energy legislation, was among those in Congress asking, in effect, if all that’s off the table, what’s on it?
Dingell said he had “for now” abandoned plans to instigate a national debate on such ideas as a carbon fee, higher gas taxes and a limited mortgage interest deduction for large homes because “our economy has taken a hard downward turn and now is not the time for us to put any additional financial burden on the working families of Michigan and the nation.”
But Dingell also said response to his idea has convinced him that “people desperately want action on global warming” and “economists and other experts continue to inform us that a carbon tax is the most effective and efficient way at getting at the problem of global warming.” For the moment, though, he said, “we need to focus our attention on ways of making groceries, utilities, and health care more affordable. … We must take bold action to stimulate our economy.”
So the short of it: For years, the Bush administration has had other priorities. Now, the nation does.
And the long of it: Global warming will still be there to be reckoned with next year, and the year after that and the year after that.
–Detroit Free Press
Again think of this as kind of a war.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18914 Don Hawkins Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:55:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18914 No, in the United States crops are being grown for fuel. That was bush and company and why did they do this because they are morons. China and India especially China needs more because people are eating better more people are eating better. The price goes up and the little people get none. Climate change in many parts of this planet has a part in what is happening. Unfortunately in the coming years more and more drought and flooding and things go even more haywire. Business as usually so far is moving forward in the same way and it's called insanity or doing the same thing over and over as we all go deeper and deeper into the dark side. Right now some countries are stopping exports of there crops to get the price down and feed there people. Let's just say people in the United States are going to lose weight not from a miracle pill but because they eat less. Crops are also being grown in Asia for fuel not to eat. I was watching Bloomberg last night. I like that man on at 7 pm he has these sharp comments. Last night they had China focus. You had this one reporter in Beijing and you could just make out the buildings because of the smog and that is what you can see. The reporter was talking about 1000 new cars a day in China. Then you had Rick Wagner of GM talking about his plans for the next 10 years in China and the Nissan man same thing. Of course this is where I heard the laughter of the God's. Again business as usually or moving forward at all costs. Now why does this go on because it sure looks to me like a combination of stupidity and living in dreamland and just nuts for good measure. What is the answer well keep moving forward with BAU and I guess start a war with China and India and I guess Russia over stuff but probably not a good idea that little nuclear winter thing and all that radiation or face these problems slow down and start talks for real with China and India big time talks about hard choices and use the people who have knowledge and want to help. They are out there and have been saying for years now we need to move on this we need to move on this and the other side as been saying don't worry be happy and please put that check in the mail and don't forget to fill up. Think of this as a kind of war. No, in the United States crops are being grown for fuel. That was bush and company and why did they do this because they are morons. China and India especially China needs more because people are eating better more people are eating better. The price goes up and the little people get none. Climate change in many parts of this planet has a part in what is happening. Unfortunately in the coming years more and more drought and flooding and things go even more haywire. Business as usually so far is moving forward in the same way and it’s called insanity or doing the same thing over and over as we all go deeper and deeper into the dark side. Right now some countries are stopping exports of there crops to get the price down and feed there people. Let’s just say people in the United States are going to lose weight not from a miracle pill but because they eat less. Crops are also being grown in Asia for fuel not to eat. I was watching Bloomberg last night. I like that man on at 7 pm he has these sharp comments. Last night they had China focus. You had this one reporter in Beijing and you could just make out the buildings because of the smog and that is what you can see. The reporter was talking about 1000 new cars a day in China. Then you had Rick Wagner of GM talking about his plans for the next 10 years in China and the Nissan man same thing. Of course this is where I heard the laughter of the God’s. Again business as usually or moving forward at all costs. Now why does this go on because it sure looks to me like a combination of stupidity and living in dreamland and just nuts for good measure. What is the answer well keep moving forward with BAU and I guess start a war with China and India and I guess Russia over stuff but probably not a good idea that little nuclear winter thing and all that radiation or face these problems slow down and start talks for real with China and India big time talks about hard choices and use the people who have knowledge and want to help. They are out there and have been saying for years now we need to move on this we need to move on this and the other side as been saying don’t worry be happy and please put that check in the mail and don’t forget to fill up. Think of this as a kind of war.

]]> By: evie http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18910 evie Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:56:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18910 Don, Could that be fallout from the truckers strike over the price of diesel? Don,
Could that be fallout from the truckers strike over the price of diesel?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18906 Don Hawkins Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:22:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18906 Major retailers in New York, in areas of New England, and on the West Coast are limiting purchases of flour, rice, and cooking oil as demand outstrips supply. There are also anecdotal reports that some consumers are hoarding grain stocks. At a Costco Warehouse in Mountain View, Calif., yesterday, shoppers grew frustrated and occasionally uttered expletives as they searched in vain for the large sacks of rice they usually buy. “Where’s the rice?” an engineer from Palo Alto, Calif., Yajun Liu, said. “You should be able to buy something like rice. This is ridiculous.” The New York Sun No Mr. Liu it's not ridiculous it's business as usually. I wonder if we will see this on the news? Major retailers in New York, in areas of New England, and on the West Coast are limiting purchases of flour, rice, and cooking oil as demand outstrips supply. There are also anecdotal reports that some consumers are hoarding grain stocks.
At a Costco Warehouse in Mountain View, Calif., yesterday, shoppers grew frustrated and occasionally uttered expletives as they searched in vain for the large sacks of rice they usually buy.
“Where’s the rice?” an engineer from Palo Alto, Calif., Yajun Liu, said. “You should be able to buy something like rice. This is ridiculous.” The New York Sun

No Mr. Liu it’s not ridiculous it’s business as usually. I wonder if we will see this on the news?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18882 Don Hawkins Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:56:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18882 In this age, men are victims not only of different political creeds and parties, but also of many different types of sense-gratificatory diversions, such as cinemas, sports, gambling, clubs, mundane libraries, bad association, smoking, drinking, cheating, pilfering, bickerings, and so on. Their minds are always disturbed and full of anxieties due to so many different engagements. In this age, many unscrupulous men manufacture their own religious faiths which are not based on any revealed scriptures, and very often people who are addicted to sense gratification are attracted by such institutions. Consequently, in the name of religion so many sinful acts are being carried on that the people in general have neither peace of mind nor health of body. The student (brahmacārī) communities are no longer being maintained, and householders do not observe the rules and regulations of the gṛhastha-āśrama. Consequently, the so-called vānaprasthas and sannyāsīs who come out of such gṛhastha-āśramas are easily deviated from the rigid path. In the Kali-yuga the whole atmosphere is surcharged with faithlessness. Men are no longer interested in spiritual values. Material sense gratification is now the standard of civilization. For the maintenance of such material civilizations, man has formed complex nations and communities, and there is a constant strain of hot and cold wars between these different groups. It has become very difficult, therefore, to raise the spiritual standard due to the present distorted values of human society. The sages of Naimiṣāraṇya are anxious to disentangle all fallen souls, and here they are seeking the remedy from Śrīla Sūta Gosvāmī. The Bhaktivedanta Book. Yes I am now reading this HP and I see why Einstein liked this. When he was reading this the World was changing and I am sure not only did he look at the Universe in amazement but the World he lived in and The Bhaktivedanta Book I am sure gave him some peace along with the knowledge of some humans. If we can get pass this next 100 years I am sure many things in this book will be the norm. The problem is we are running out of time and we need to change and fast. There are people with the knowledge and are trying as best they can to tell us all we need to change the way we do many things and so far that is not happening. Some progress but the bar needs to be raised and raised high. I will keep trying. Walter an interesting write. In this age, men are victims not only of different political creeds and parties, but also of many different types of sense-gratificatory diversions, such as cinemas, sports, gambling, clubs, mundane libraries, bad association, smoking, drinking, cheating, pilfering, bickerings, and so on. Their minds are always disturbed and full of anxieties due to so many different engagements. In this age, many unscrupulous men manufacture their own religious faiths which are not based on any revealed scriptures, and very often people who are addicted to sense gratification are attracted by such institutions. Consequently, in the name of religion so many sinful acts are being carried on that the people in general have neither peace of mind nor health of body. The student (brahmacārī) communities are no longer being maintained, and householders do not observe the rules and regulations of the gṛhastha-āśrama. Consequently, the so-called vānaprasthas and sannyāsīs who come out of such gṛhastha-āśramas are easily deviated from the rigid path. In the Kali-yuga the whole atmosphere is surcharged with faithlessness. Men are no longer interested in spiritual values. Material sense gratification is now the standard of civilization. For the maintenance of such material civilizations, man has formed complex nations and communities, and there is a constant strain of hot and cold wars between these different groups. It has become very difficult, therefore, to raise the spiritual standard due to the present distorted values of human society. The sages of Naimiṣāraṇya are anxious to disentangle all fallen souls, and here they are seeking the remedy from Śrīla Sūta Gosvāmī. The Bhaktivedanta Book.

Yes I am now reading this HP and I see why Einstein liked this. When he was reading this the World was changing and I am sure not only did he look at the Universe in amazement but the World he lived in and The Bhaktivedanta Book I am sure gave him some peace along with the knowledge of some humans. If we can get pass this next 100 years I am sure many things in this book will be the norm. The problem is we are running out of time and we need to change and fast. There are people with the knowledge and are trying as best they can to tell us all we need to change the way we do many things and so far that is not happening. Some progress but the bar needs to be raised and raised high. I will keep trying.
Walter an interesting write.

]]> By: evie http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18881 evie Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:52:19 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/allegations-of-elitism-also-brought-down-americas-founding-fathers/#comment-18881 John Dean ("master manipulator" behind the Watergate cover-up) wrote an article recently on Obama's More Perfect Union speech, asking <I>Did It Reveal Him To Be Too Intellectual To Be President?</I> which Uhler's piece reminded me of - Dean blames Republicans for dumbing down the presidency. OBAMA: "... they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment..." What Obama said with his "bitter" comment, as translated in the 'hood, is that gun totin' small town crackers are pissed at their lot in life and don't like and/or blame blacks, Hispanics, big business, etc. But hey, it's okay with us if white folks wanna be conned by a homeboy. ... Correct me if I'm wrong but the implication seems to be that our "menace" is the dumb unwashed industrious masses who would prevent rich men of superior talent from being elected. The founding fathers were the original warmongering capitalists, slaveholders, murderers and thieves, near genocidal with native Americans - but these traits were just "flaws" and they were actually superior gentlemen brought down by allegations of elitism. Winners writing history. Thomas Jefferson, "the epitome of the eighteenth century gentleman" - sure he was, while diddling his wife's half-sister Sally. And good old George Washington, despised slavery while owning 300 slaves. But hallelujah - the lower classes of that era were "self-conscious about the moral and social values necessary for public leadership." Women and blacks and others didn't have to be conscious as they couldn't vote anyway. It's not "election media prejudice" - it's the usual political sideshow. Pick that Nit every 4 years. John Dean (”master manipulator” behind the Watergate cover-up) wrote an article recently on Obama’s More Perfect Union speech, asking Did It Reveal Him To Be Too Intellectual To Be President? which Uhler’s piece reminded me of - Dean blames Republicans for dumbing down the presidency.

OBAMA: “… they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment…”

What Obama said with his “bitter” comment, as translated in the ‘hood, is that gun totin’ small town crackers are pissed at their lot in life and don’t like and/or blame blacks, Hispanics, big business, etc. But hey, it’s okay with us if white folks wanna be conned by a homeboy.

… Correct me if I’m wrong but the implication seems to be that our “menace” is the dumb unwashed industrious masses who would prevent rich men of superior talent from being elected.

The founding fathers were the original warmongering capitalists, slaveholders, murderers and thieves, near genocidal with native Americans - but these traits were just “flaws” and they were actually superior gentlemen brought down by allegations of elitism. Winners writing history.

Thomas Jefferson, “the epitome of the eighteenth century gentleman” - sure he was, while diddling his wife’s half-sister Sally. And good old George Washington, despised slavery while owning 300 slaves. But hallelujah - the lower classes of that era were “self-conscious about the moral and social values necessary for public leadership.” Women and blacks and others didn’t have to be conscious as they couldn’t vote anyway.

It’s not “election media prejudice” - it’s the usual political sideshow. Pick that Nit every 4 years.

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