Comments on: The Takedown of Eliot Spitzer http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:26:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Hatuxka http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17268 Hatuxka Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:14:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17268 There's always in forums like this someone who proclaims they are whatever and then go on to prove otherwise. But "ultra-progressive"? My BS detector's needle is registering off the chart. There’s always in forums like this someone who proclaims they are whatever and then go on to prove otherwise. But “ultra-progressive”? My BS detector’s needle is registering off the chart.

]]> By: HR http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17231 HR Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:17:07 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17231 Max Shields, the left's still there. It's simply become a handwringing subsidiary of the Democratic "party" leadership. Max Shields, the left’s still there. It’s simply become a handwringing subsidiary of the Democratic “party” leadership.

]]> By: Jeremy Wells http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17225 Jeremy Wells Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:40:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17225 FYI: On Elliot Spitzer, political motivations, etc. NY Times article questions official explanation of sex probe that forced New York governor to resign By Barry Grey 24 March 2008 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/mar2008/sptz-m24.shtml (Note three other links at bottom of this article.) FYI: On Elliot Spitzer, political motivations, etc.

NY Times article questions official explanation of sex probe that forced New York governor to resign
By Barry Grey
24 March 2008

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/mar2008/sptz-m24.shtml

(Note three other links at bottom of this article.)

]]> By: Max Shields http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17208 Max Shields Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:08:19 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17208 HR, ultra-progressive. Let's just stay with that and forget the "left" stuff there's no such thing. It's a strawman for the undecided and fascist to wail against. HR, ultra-progressive. Let’s just stay with that and forget the “left” stuff there’s no such thing. It’s a strawman for the undecided and fascist to wail against.

]]> By: HR http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17203 HR Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:45:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17203 Reading articles like this only confirms my rejection of the organized "left" in this country, although my political views are ultra progressive. This is nothing but whining, and reminds me of the line in the old Charlie Brown song from the Sixties: "Why's everybody always picking on me?" Call girl and other prostitution operations are illegal – against the law – whether we agree with those laws or not. Consensual sex between adults, like that described by Governor Paterson, is not. Politically motivated law enforcement is the norm in this country, always has been, whether we like it or not. How much consideration do you think you'd get from a judge or jury if you whined that while you were robbing a liquor store, other people were robbing other liquor stores and that the police had paid no attention to them? Spitzer convicted himself by his admission, and by his resignation. He came off as one who knows he has broken the law, and knows he has been caught red-handed. Larry Craig denied that sexually related activity had occurred, and still does. His conviction was for disorderly conduct. The two cases are completely different. We're better off with hypocritical megalomaniacs like Spitzer out of the way. He prosecuted just enough financiers to get elected governor, and then backed off. And, as I recall, he called for tougher anti-prostitution laws. Save your whining for others. Reading articles like this only confirms my rejection of the organized “left” in this country, although my political views are ultra progressive. This is nothing but whining, and reminds me of the line in the old Charlie Brown song from the Sixties: “Why’s everybody always picking on me?”

Call girl and other prostitution operations are illegal – against the law – whether we agree with those laws or not. Consensual sex between adults, like that described by Governor Paterson, is not.

Politically motivated law enforcement is the norm in this country, always has been, whether we like it or not. How much consideration do you think you’d get from a judge or jury if you whined that while you were robbing a liquor store, other people were robbing other liquor stores and that the police had paid no attention to them?

Spitzer convicted himself by his admission, and by his resignation. He came off as one who knows he has broken the law, and knows he has been caught red-handed. Larry Craig denied that sexually related activity had occurred, and still does. His conviction was for disorderly conduct. The two cases are completely different.

We’re better off with hypocritical megalomaniacs like Spitzer out of the way. He prosecuted just enough financiers to get elected governor, and then backed off. And, as I recall, he called for tougher anti-prostitution laws.

Save your whining for others.

]]> By: Sheila Casey http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17201 Sheila Casey Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:06:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17201 Greg Palast and Alexander Cockburn (of The Nation) have connected the dots on this better than I have. Palast writes: "This week, Bernanke’s Fed, for the first time in its history, loaned a selected coterie of banks one-fifth of a trillion dollars to guarantee these banks’ mortgage-backed junk bonds. The deluge of public loot was an eye-popping windfall to the very banking predators who have brought two million families to the brink of foreclosure. "Up until Wednesday, there was one single, lonely politician who stood in the way of this creepy little assignation at the bankers’ bordello: Eliot Spitzer." http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed/ Cockburn writes: "... Spitzer also frightened Wall Street, which was a good thing. There were plenty of powerful financial institutions that craved his downfall and whose employees cheered wildly when it happened." http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:s58T5gRicYcJ:www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/cockburn+the+nation+cockburn+spitzer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a Greg Palast and Alexander Cockburn (of The Nation) have connected the dots on this better than I have.

Palast writes: “This week, Bernanke’s Fed, for the first time in its history, loaned a selected coterie of banks one-fifth of a trillion dollars to guarantee these banks’ mortgage-backed junk bonds. The deluge of public loot was an eye-popping windfall to the very banking predators who have brought two million families to the brink of foreclosure.

“Up until Wednesday, there was one single, lonely politician who stood in the way of this creepy little assignation at the bankers’ bordello: Eliot Spitzer.”

http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed/

Cockburn writes: “… Spitzer also frightened Wall Street, which was a good thing. There were plenty of powerful financial institutions that craved his downfall and whose employees cheered wildly when it happened.”

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:s58T5gRicYcJ:www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/cockburn+the+nation+cockburn+spitzer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

]]> By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17196 hp Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:13:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17196 "Of the delights of this world man cares most for sexual intercourse, yet he has left it out of his heaven." Mark Twain “Of the delights of this world man cares most for sexual intercourse, yet he has left it out of his heaven.”
Mark Twain

]]> By: J.T. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17183 J.T. Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:48:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-takedown-of-eliot-spitzer/#comment-17183 I agree, it was a witchhunt and they got what they wanted. We are all poorer for it. I believe under the Bush regime that politcal targeting using the Justice dept. and various other federal law enforcement agencies is the becoming the rule (reminds me of the history of the early days of the Nazi party purging their rivals--the days before they dropped any pretexts and eventually just resorted to brute force). What's scary is not only the deliberate attempt to public humiliate these men in public and drive them from office but what about all the ones we don't know about that they may be politically blackmailing with secrets about their personal lives the government has secretly amassed. Well it makes me wonder if maybe this in some small part explains the cowardly,pathetic democratic congress and their constant capitulation to Bush policys they say they don't believe in. I agree, it was a witchhunt and they got what they wanted. We are all poorer for it.

I believe under the Bush regime that politcal targeting using the Justice dept. and various other federal law enforcement agencies is the becoming the rule (reminds me of the history of the early days of the Nazi party purging their rivals–the days before they dropped any pretexts and eventually just resorted to brute force).

What’s scary is not only the deliberate attempt to public humiliate these men in public and drive them from office but what about all the ones we don’t know about that they may be politically blackmailing with secrets about their personal lives the government has secretly amassed. Well it makes me wonder if maybe this in some small part explains the cowardly,pathetic democratic congress and their constant capitulation to Bush policys they say they don’t believe in.

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