Comments on: The Audacity of Hypocrisy http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:48:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17167 hp Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:24:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17167 dan e , I tend to see discrepancies in the vein of rich and poor as opposed to black and white. For one thing, it is truly inclusive. What about all the other people? The hispanics, natives, asians, etc. Chopped liver? dan e ,
I tend to see discrepancies in the vein of rich and poor as opposed to black and white.
For one thing, it is truly inclusive. What about all the other people? The hispanics, natives, asians, etc. Chopped liver?

]]> By: dan e http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17159 dan e Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:52:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17159 well hp you nailed it again. Dunno bout parts them posts higher up on this Fredd but that last is the bottom line. "Word, man!", I'll put that in my Bag for future use:) Except I can't beleeve these guys like Mike McN & opraluby: yee gods, the Will To Believe! "Gimme sthn to Bleeve In! Bleeve in SOMEThing, even if it's wrong!". well hp you nailed it again. Dunno bout parts them posts higher up on this Fredd but that last is the bottom line. “Word, man!”, I’ll put that in my Bag for future use:)

Except I can’t beleeve these guys like Mike McN & opraluby: yee gods, the Will To Believe! “Gimme sthn to Bleeve In! Bleeve in SOMEThing, even if it’s wrong!”.

]]> By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17112 hp Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:11:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17112 And more pain is what we're gonna get. Real pain, not rich people pain. There's another old saying, I'm not sure who said it but it sure seems likely we'll all know what it really means soon. I already know.. "Everybody gets the same amount of ice; the rich get it in the summer and the poor get it in the winter." And more pain is what we’re gonna get.
Real pain, not rich people pain.
There’s another old saying, I’m not sure who said it but it sure seems likely we’ll all know what it really means soon. I already know..
“Everybody gets the same amount of ice; the rich get it in the summer and the poor get it in the winter.”

]]> By: opeluboy http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17107 opeluboy Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:27:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17107 Ryan said, in reference to my previous post: "That’s really pathetic. Ralph Nader, not Barack Obama, is the best hope for the Palestinian people. Quit pretending you’re voting for him for any other reason then you’ll vote for any Democrat in the world. Want to change the US face in the world? Vote Ralph Nader." You are entirely missing my point. I would prefer Nader over all choices. But he has as much chance of becoming president as I do. And I will NOT vote for just any Democrat. If Clinton is the nominee, a person I beleive is truly evil, I WILL vote for Nader. If that helps install President McCain, and his likely sidekick Elmer Fuddstein, in the White House, too fucking bad. Maybe more pain is what we need to wake people up. Ryan said, in reference to my previous post:

“That’s really pathetic. Ralph Nader, not Barack Obama, is the best hope for the Palestinian people. Quit pretending you’re voting for him for any other reason then you’ll vote for any Democrat in the world.
Want to change the US face in the world? Vote Ralph Nader.”

You are entirely missing my point. I would prefer Nader over all choices. But he has as much chance of becoming president as I do.

And I will NOT vote for just any Democrat. If Clinton is the nominee, a person I beleive is truly evil, I WILL vote for Nader. If that helps install President McCain, and his likely sidekick Elmer Fuddstein, in the White House, too fucking bad. Maybe more pain is what we need to wake people up.

]]> By: dan e http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17106 dan e Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:26:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17106 geeziz i dont belIEVE some these posteers! Swamis! Mindreaders! Detecters of nonexistent nuances! these guys are worse than "jazz critics". Talk about slop suckers, jackal-seeking Rocky Mountain Canaries. Lissen, all differences in the public stances of the three mushkateers running for Head Stooge are differences in Packaging and Marketing only. Pre-election "promises" have zip to do with what a Candidate will do once in office. Got that? OK, on to lesson the second: one and one is two, two & two are four, and do NOT forget the VIG! geeziz i dont belIEVE some these posteers! Swamis! Mindreaders! Detecters of nonexistent nuances! these guys are worse than “jazz critics”. Talk about slop suckers, jackal-seeking Rocky Mountain Canaries.
Lissen, all differences in the public stances of the three mushkateers running for Head Stooge are differences in Packaging and Marketing only. Pre-election “promises” have zip to do with what a Candidate will do once in office.
Got that? OK, on to lesson the second: one and one is two, two & two are four, and do NOT forget the VIG!

]]> By: Mike McNiven http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17092 Mike McNiven Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:19:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17092 Thank you Joe Mowrey for your principled writing showing that racists come in a variety of colors! Those who say that BHO had/has to kiss AIPAC's butt are revealing something dangerous about themselves, which is that they would do the same thing for a good reward! Palestinian problems would not go away until the US voters/tax payers confess to their collective guilt of complicity! The French people ended the Algerian occupation when they agreed that they were guilty of supporting/financing their government's racist policies! Apartheid in South Africa ended when the Western imperialists felt guilty enough to withdraw support! Obama got to Harvard when the whites here felt guilty enough to allow color blind admission practices,... BHO owes it to the progressives of this country to fight zionism and imperialism, or resign! To say that imperialist BHO is the best thing that could happen to the Palesinians, is racist! (first do no harm!) Thank you Joe Mowrey for your principled writing showing that racists come in a variety of colors! Those who say that BHO had/has to kiss AIPAC’s butt are revealing something dangerous about themselves, which is that they would do the same thing for a good reward! Palestinian problems would not go away until the US voters/tax payers confess to their collective guilt of complicity! The French people ended the Algerian occupation when they agreed that they were guilty of supporting/financing their government’s racist policies! Apartheid in South Africa ended when the Western imperialists felt guilty enough to withdraw support! Obama got to Harvard when the whites here felt guilty enough to allow color blind admission practices,… BHO owes it to the progressives of this country to fight zionism and imperialism, or resign! To say that imperialist BHO is the best thing that could happen to the Palesinians, is racist! (first do no harm!)

]]> By: ashley http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17072 ashley Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:56:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17072 opeluboy: I also agree about the Zionist issue viz. Obama. The simple fact is that if he is pro-Palestinian rights etc. that he has absolutely no chance in US politics at any level. Although I was very skeptical of him at first, as I read more of his speeches and so on, along with listening recently to Wright's 'god damn america' speech in full, I am increasingly inclined to favor his candidacy as being slightly better than simply the lesser of two evils and quite possibly a real step forward. Parallel point: anyone running for national office in the US is not going to be successful as an ideological purist, such as Nader whom I deeply respect and for whom I have voted. The system is totally corrupt, as Nader often points out. Barring outright revolution, the best that can be hoped for is someone savvy enough to do what it takes to get in and then effect as much paradigmatic change as possible. Obama has stated in no uncertain terms that he means to change the mindset behind flawed policies rather than getting caught up in endless policy wonking. That said, I found his comments about radical Islamic extremists etc. very disappointing. I also think he could have said a little more about Wright in terms of defending some of the underlying logics even if distancing himself from the emotive tone - which is part of the tradition behind the pulpit but is not appropriate for politicians. And THAT said, I find the airing of speeches from the pulpit as part of campaign propaganda - either as defense or attack - a very bad thing on many levels and the mainstream press should be severely criticized for having done so. But since they are a bogus societal organ..... opeluboy: I also agree about the Zionist issue viz. Obama. The simple fact is that if he is pro-Palestinian rights etc. that he has absolutely no chance in US politics at any level. Although I was very skeptical of him at first, as I read more of his speeches and so on, along with listening recently to Wright’s ‘god damn america’ speech in full, I am increasingly inclined to favor his candidacy as being slightly better than simply the lesser of two evils and quite possibly a real step forward.

Parallel point: anyone running for national office in the US is not going to be successful as an ideological purist, such as Nader whom I deeply respect and for whom I have voted. The system is totally corrupt, as Nader often points out. Barring outright revolution, the best that can be hoped for is someone savvy enough to do what it takes to get in and then effect as much paradigmatic change as possible. Obama has stated in no uncertain terms that he means to change the mindset behind flawed policies rather than getting caught up in endless policy wonking.

That said, I found his comments about radical Islamic extremists etc. very disappointing. I also think he could have said a little more about Wright in terms of defending some of the underlying logics even if distancing himself from the emotive tone - which is part of the tradition behind the pulpit but is not appropriate for politicians.

And THAT said, I find the airing of speeches from the pulpit as part of campaign propaganda - either as defense or attack - a very bad thing on many levels and the mainstream press should be severely criticized for having done so. But since they are a bogus societal organ…..

]]> By: Ryan http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17065 Ryan Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:10:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17065 "Obama is the Palestinian’ best and only real hope. I am not going to deny them that to make a point or an impotent protest vote." That's really pathetic. Ralph Nader, not Barack Obama, is the best hope for the Palestinian people. Quit pretending you're voting for him for any other reason then you'll vote for any Democrat in the world. Want to change the US face in the world? Vote Ralph Nader. “Obama is the Palestinian’ best and only real hope. I am not going to deny them that to make a point or an impotent protest vote.”
That’s really pathetic. Ralph Nader, not Barack Obama, is the best hope for the Palestinian people. Quit pretending you’re voting for him for any other reason then you’ll vote for any Democrat in the world.
Want to change the US face in the world? Vote Ralph Nader.

]]> By: jaqwith http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17054 jaqwith Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:00:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17054 What shall I say? I'm a Swiss citizen - a small, peaceful country, with a centuries old democratic tradition, in an old, almost forgotten Continent. To be honest - I hate that mode of language use. What the hell does he wants to say? Ashley brings the answer: If you feel oppressed, experience discrimination, get expelled from your job and med care. No need to worry - all you need is to eat your hot dogs without sausage in it, stay calm and eventually everything turns out fine. He made it perfectly clear to me that in his opinion the plebs should play by the rules, shut the f* up and let the big guys play their games. I admit that his style of delivering this message was by far superior than what I'm used to from his kind. What shall I say? I’m a Swiss citizen - a small, peaceful country, with a centuries old democratic tradition, in an old, almost forgotten Continent. To be honest - I hate that mode of language use. What the hell does he wants to say?

Ashley brings the answer: If you feel oppressed, experience discrimination, get expelled from your job and med care. No need to worry - all you need is to eat your hot dogs without sausage in it, stay calm and eventually everything turns out fine.

He made it perfectly clear to me that in his opinion the plebs should play by the rules, shut the f* up and let the big guys play their games. I admit that his style of delivering this message was by far superior than what I’m used to from his kind.

]]> By: Jerry D. Rose http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17050 Jerry D. Rose Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:32:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17050 Response to last two posts (from another Kucinich dead-ender): Don't you realize that you (and from what I've heard, Kucinich) are "enabling" the very Zionist power you are castigating by letting the "one pol" (Obama) off the hook because he "has to" pander to that power in order to win an election and presumably to do all the wonderful progressive stuff that his wonderful rhetoric promises? That's the way the Z's exercise that power: "one pol at a time," and believe me they will do it from here to eternity until once or a few times, progressives stand up and say "not this time!" Response to last two posts (from another Kucinich dead-ender): Don’t you realize that you (and from what I’ve heard, Kucinich) are “enabling” the very Zionist power you are castigating by letting the “one pol” (Obama) off the hook because he “has to” pander to that power in order to win an election and presumably to do all the wonderful progressive stuff that his wonderful rhetoric promises? That’s the way the Z’s exercise that power: “one pol at a time,” and believe me they will do it from here to eternity until once or a few times, progressives stand up and say “not this time!”

]]> By: Mike McNiven http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17046 Mike McNiven Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:34:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17046 Thank you Joe Mowrey for your principled writing showing that racists come in a variety of colors! Those who say that BHO had/has to kiss AIPAC's butt are revealing something dangerous about themselves, which is that they would do the same thing for a good reward! Palestinian problems would not go away until the US voters/tax payers confess to their collective guilt of complicity! The French people ended the Algerian occupation when they agreed that they were guilty of supporting/financing their government's racist policies! Apartheid in South Africa ended when the Western imperialists felt guilty enough to withdraw support! Obama got to Harvard when the whites here felt guilty enough to allow color blind admission practices,... BHO owes it to the progressives of this country to fight zionism and imperialism, or resign! To say that imperialist BHO is the best thing that could happen to the Palesinians, is racist! (first do no harm!) Thank you Joe Mowrey for your principled writing showing that racists come in a variety of colors! Those who say that BHO had/has to kiss AIPAC’s butt are revealing something dangerous about themselves, which is that they would do the same thing for a good reward! Palestinian problems would not go away until the US voters/tax payers confess to their collective guilt of complicity! The French people ended the Algerian occupation when they agreed that they were guilty of supporting/financing their government’s racist policies! Apartheid in South Africa ended when the Western imperialists felt guilty enough to withdraw support! Obama got to Harvard when the whites here felt guilty enough to allow color blind admission practices,… BHO owes it to the progressives of this country to fight zionism and imperialism, or resign! To say that imperialist BHO is the best thing that could happen to the Palesinians, is racist! (first do no harm!)

]]> By: Deadbeat http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17040 Deadbeat Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:17:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17040 <i>I think we all know why Obama must make nice to AIPAC and American Jews. If he does not, his candidacy is over, as well as his Senate career. That is what should be pissing people off here at Dissident Voice. Not that Obama played the game, but that if he does not, he is finished. That we have a unabashedly pro-Zionist media in this country, owned by Zionists whose allegiance is not to America, but a criminal state on the other side of the world, should get all Americans active. To castigate Obama for being unwilling to commit political and career suicide to prove this is unfair.</i> I agree with this observation. No politician can survive in Washington without catering to AIPAC. However there are many on the left who find it easy to castigate a single pol rather then the entire power of Zionism within the United States. The left's failure to challenge Zionism is why you don't see any politicians taking it on. I think we all know why Obama must make nice to AIPAC and American Jews. If he does not, his candidacy is over, as well as his Senate career. That is what should be pissing people off here at Dissident Voice. Not that Obama played the game, but that if he does not, he is finished. That we have a unabashedly pro-Zionist media in this country, owned by Zionists whose allegiance is not to America, but a criminal state on the other side of the world, should get all Americans active. To castigate Obama for being unwilling to commit political and career suicide to prove this is unfair.

I agree with this observation. No politician can survive in Washington without catering to AIPAC. However there are many on the left who find it easy to castigate a single pol rather then the entire power of Zionism within the United States.

The left’s failure to challenge Zionism is why you don’t see any politicians taking it on.

]]> By: Ray Ralph http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17036 Ray Ralph Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:52:07 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17036 opeluboy, I congratulate you on being banned from posting on AlterNet. I'm surprised you could even read AlterNet. It is "liberal" as oppposed to "radical" and its main objective at all times seems to be to support the Democratic Party establishment. I used to read AlterNet and post there but I soon found it tiresome and a waste of my time. Any time I offered any criticism of the Democratic Party (never mind that my criticism came from a "left" perspective) a multitude of strident "liberal" voices shreiked that I was a right-wing, Republican troll (so predictably simplistic is the thinking of many of the AlterNet regulars). Any mention that I was a Green Party member who had voted for Nader in 2000 brought an even stronger negative reaction. The AlterNet "Liberals" hate Nader even more than they hate Bush. I wish I could say that I had the honor (I would consider it such) of having been banned from AlterNet. Instead, I just got tired of reading trash and quit going there. I congratulate you again, opeluboy, on having been banned. I would undoubtedly have enjoyed reading the post that got you banned. opeluboy, I congratulate you on being banned from posting on AlterNet. I’m surprised you could even read AlterNet. It is “liberal” as oppposed to “radical” and its main objective at all times seems to be to support the Democratic Party establishment. I used to read AlterNet and post there but I soon found it tiresome and a waste of my time. Any time I offered any criticism of the Democratic Party (never mind that my criticism came from a “left” perspective) a multitude of strident “liberal” voices shreiked that I was a right-wing, Republican troll (so predictably simplistic is the thinking of many of the AlterNet regulars). Any mention that I was a Green Party member who had voted for Nader in 2000 brought an even stronger negative reaction. The AlterNet “Liberals” hate Nader even more than they hate Bush. I wish I could say that I had the honor (I would consider it such) of having been banned from AlterNet. Instead, I just got tired of reading trash and quit going there. I congratulate you again, opeluboy, on having been banned. I would undoubtedly have enjoyed reading the post that got you banned.

]]> By: opeluboy http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17032 opeluboy Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:31:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17032 I have to agree with Mowrey on the Israel/Palestine issue. As anyone knows who ever sees my handle on a response, I am a tireless campaigner against Zionism (not just online but in life as well, and it has cost me) and entirely pro-Palestinian (which is why I am now barred from posting on AlterNet). When Obama made this one comment, I winced. However, I utterly reject the notion that this speech was "pablum" and that it was written by someone else. I still believe it was one of the great speeches of our time and reveals a remarkable man. For an interesting look at the speech, see George Lakoff's article here: http://www.alternet.org/election08/80549/ I think we all know why Obama must make nice to AIPAC and American Jews. If he does not, his candidacy is over, as well as his Senate career. That is what should be pissing people off here at Dissident Voice. Not that Obama played the game, but that if he does not, he is finished. That we have a unabashedly pro-Zionist media in this country, owned by Zionists whose allegiance is not to America, but a criminal state on the other side of the world, should get all Americans active. To castigate Obama for being unwilling to commit political and career suicide to prove this is unfair. Please remember that right now there are still people that believe he is a crypto-Muslim and an anti-Semite and that that smear will be used should he win the nomination. He has virtually no choice but to back Israel if he wants to stay in the race. you know this and so do I. Sure, it would be great if he could continue to state that no one is suffering like the Palestinians. As I listened to his speech, I was intensely aware that everything he said about black anger could apply to those people as well. Being a brilliant man, I am sure this fact does not escape him either. As much as his Israel ass-kissing infuriates, disappoints and saddens me, I will still vote for him. He is the lowest ranked candidate, according to a Ha'aretz poll, as being favorable to Israel. That is worth something. And yes, I would prefer McKinney or Nader or both of them together. I supported Kucinich for both runs, and have helped out in his congressional race. But Obama gives us a chance to change our face to the world. He has a real chance of being president, unlike McKinney or Nader or Kucinich. And if you are anti-Zionist (as opposed to anti-Jew) like me, the thought of Hillary Clinton in the White House is unacceptable, not to mention McCain, both of which topped Ha'aretz's poll. Obama is the Palestinian' best and only real hope. I am not going to deny them that to make a point or an impotent protest vote. I have to agree with Mowrey on the Israel/Palestine issue. As anyone knows who ever sees my handle on a response, I am a tireless campaigner against Zionism (not just online but in life as well, and it has cost me) and entirely pro-Palestinian (which is why I am now barred from posting on AlterNet). When Obama made this one comment, I winced.

However, I utterly reject the notion that this speech was “pablum” and that it was written by someone else. I still believe it was one of the great speeches of our time and reveals a remarkable man. For an interesting look at the speech, see George Lakoff’s article here: http://www.alternet.org/election08/80549/

I think we all know why Obama must make nice to AIPAC and American Jews. If he does not, his candidacy is over, as well as his Senate career. That is what should be pissing people off here at Dissident Voice. Not that Obama played the game, but that if he does not, he is finished. That we have a unabashedly pro-Zionist media in this country, owned by Zionists whose allegiance is not to America, but a criminal state on the other side of the world, should get all Americans active. To castigate Obama for being unwilling to commit political and career suicide to prove this is unfair.

Please remember that right now there are still people that believe he is a crypto-Muslim and an anti-Semite and that that smear will be used should he win the nomination. He has virtually no choice but to back Israel if he wants to stay in the race. you know this and so do I.

Sure, it would be great if he could continue to state that no one is suffering like the Palestinians. As I listened to his speech, I was intensely aware that everything he said about black anger could apply to those people as well. Being a brilliant man, I am sure this fact does not escape him either.

As much as his Israel ass-kissing infuriates, disappoints and saddens me, I will still vote for him. He is the lowest ranked candidate, according to a Ha’aretz poll, as being favorable to Israel. That is worth something.

And yes, I would prefer McKinney or Nader or both of them together. I supported Kucinich for both runs, and have helped out in his congressional race. But Obama gives us a chance to change our face to the world. He has a real chance of being president, unlike McKinney or Nader or Kucinich.

And if you are anti-Zionist (as opposed to anti-Jew) like me, the thought of Hillary Clinton in the White House is unacceptable, not to mention McCain, both of which topped Ha’aretz’s poll.

Obama is the Palestinian’ best and only real hope. I am not going to deny them that to make a point or an impotent protest vote.

]]> By: dan e http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17031 dan e Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:30:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17031 hp nailed it! ROTFL:) Props, Joe: great job. Props likewise to Rev Wright for getting Question A put on the top of the Agenda where it belongs. Now how long before the presstitutes drop the subject & "move on". Obama? hohum. As I may have said previous, Run Tom Run. hp nailed it! ROTFL:)

Props, Joe: great job.

Props likewise to Rev Wright for getting Question A put on the top of the Agenda where it belongs. Now how long before the presstitutes drop the subject & “move on”.

Obama? hohum. As I may have said previous, Run Tom Run.

]]> By: rosemarie jackowski http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17021 rosemarie jackowski Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:28:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17021 Too bad Obama did not support his pastor. If we were to rate speakers Rev. Wright would be at the top of the list. He's got personality, passion, and the truth. Too bad Obama did not support his pastor. If we were to rate speakers Rev. Wright would be at the top of the list. He’s got personality, passion, and the truth.

]]> By: Kay http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17020 Kay Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:26:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17020 I agree with El Oaxuco regarding the speech. I was inspired by it, I thought it was the most honest piece I have ever heard Obama, or any other politician of my time, speak. Having said that, there is still the issue of coddling Israel and it's racist, murderous policies and his blindness (selective?) regarding the "boogeyman" stigma of the Islamic Extremists. And then, ofcourse, there's that minor (NOT!) issue about adding 100,000 more or so to our military....if you ask me, it just stinks of New World Order....sorry Obama. Same wine alright... I agree with El Oaxuco regarding the speech. I was inspired by it, I thought it was the most honest piece I have ever heard Obama, or any other politician of my time, speak.
Having said that, there is still the issue of coddling Israel and it’s racist, murderous policies and his blindness (selective?) regarding the “boogeyman” stigma of the Islamic Extremists.
And then, ofcourse, there’s that minor (NOT!) issue about adding 100,000 more or so to our military….if you ask me, it just stinks of New World Order….sorry Obama. Same wine alright…

]]> By: El Oaxuco http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17014 El Oaxuco Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:47:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17014 Thank you for this much needed piece. I agree with your assessment. However, I do think that his speech has merits, aside from the very problematic segment you quoted. It was a speech that delved into some of the nuances of race and it felt like a breath of fresh air compared to so many political speeches that tend to over-simplifiy or dumb-down the discussion for general consumption. Thank you for this much needed piece. I agree with your assessment. However, I do think that his speech has merits, aside from the very problematic segment you quoted. It was a speech that delved into some of the nuances of race and it felt like a breath of fresh air compared to so many political speeches that tend to over-simplifiy or dumb-down the discussion for general consumption.

]]> By: A Reader http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17012 A Reader Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:44:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17012 What an excellent post! Well done Joe! I enjoyed every line of it. What an excellent post! Well done Joe! I enjoyed every line of it.

]]> By: Jerry D. Rose http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17011 Jerry D. Rose Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:34:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/the-audacity-of-hypocrisy/#comment-17011 Like Jeremiah Wright, Joe Mowrey speaks "the truth." He may be right when he describes Obama as the "lesser of two evils" between (presumably) either Clinton or McCain, but it's hard to quantify this when his candidacy is based on the "hypocrisy" of appealing to the racial pride of blacks in supporting one of "their own" for President, while taking the cheap shot of condoning our "staunch ally," Israel who, as Mowery says, is as racist as they come. As some have said, this cynical maneuver was designed to "clear" himself of sympathy with black extremists to assuage the fears of white voters, leaving it to "identity politics" to assure himself that blacks would vote for him "no matter what" because he is (sort of) black. To give equal time to Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy, we might note that she as well practices identity politics, using the proclivity of women to support one of their own and perhaps the sense of many women and men that a "softer" or feminist approach to governing is preferable to the overly macho male leaders we have had. With the women's vote "in her pocket" she can proceed to show that she has as many or more balls as the guys, that she will be "though," meaning that she won't stand up the military establishment nor to the imperialist aspirations of the country. Frankly I don't know which of these evils is "eviler," but as a 50-year always-Democratic voter, I won't cast my vote for either of them (or for Mr. Evil himself, McCain) in November. Oh, by the way, if you didn't hear, they cancelled Wright's scheduled appearance yesterday in Tampa, as his sponsors said the local police wouldn't provide adequate security for the event. Obama's "soft" denunciation of his pastor has apparently piled on top of the harder brand of red neck indignation at the preacher's "excesses." Like Jeremiah Wright, Joe Mowrey speaks “the truth.” He may be right when he describes Obama as the “lesser of two evils” between (presumably) either Clinton or McCain, but it’s hard to quantify this when his candidacy is based on the “hypocrisy” of appealing to the racial pride of blacks in supporting one of “their own” for President, while taking the cheap shot of condoning our “staunch ally,” Israel who, as Mowery says, is as racist as they come. As some have said, this cynical maneuver was designed to “clear” himself of sympathy with black extremists to assuage the fears of white voters, leaving it to “identity politics” to assure himself that blacks would vote for him “no matter what” because he is (sort of) black. To give equal time to Hillary Clinton’s hypocrisy, we might note that she as well practices identity politics, using the proclivity of women to support one of their own and perhaps the sense of many women and men that a “softer” or feminist approach to governing is preferable to the overly macho male leaders we have had. With the women’s vote “in her pocket” she can proceed to show that she has as many or more balls as the guys, that she will be “though,” meaning that she won’t stand up the military establishment nor to the imperialist aspirations of the country. Frankly I don’t know which of these evils is “eviler,” but as a 50-year always-Democratic voter, I won’t cast my vote for either of them (or for Mr. Evil himself, McCain) in November.

Oh, by the way, if you didn’t hear, they cancelled Wright’s scheduled appearance yesterday in Tampa, as his sponsors said the local police wouldn’t provide adequate security for the event. Obama’s “soft” denunciation of his pastor has apparently piled on top of the harder brand of red neck indignation at the preacher’s “excesses.”

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