Comments on: My Protest to The Times: Effete Warmonger Kristol/Sanitizing Five Years in Iraq http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:31:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Shabnam http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16578 Shabnam Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:52:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16578 Mr. Uhler: Your letter is nothing but waste of time, I think. Why did you wait until now to cancel your subscription? Didn’t you notice whose side NYT is working with? They supported the war from the beginning. Don’t you remember Judith Miller, the Zionist pro Israel, with a bag of sugar sitting next to William Cohen on National TV lying about Iraq weapons of mass destruction to frighten Americans who have been taken hostage by the Zionist media including the NYT? Don’t you remember the fuss over a package of baby powder where was widely reported as anthrax in the beginning? I am wondering who sent that package in. They sold many copies anyway. Don’t you remember NYT reporter David Sanger who was writing on supposedly “Iran Nuclear Weapon program” until recently to create a pretext for another Zionist war right after invasion of Iraq based on lies and deception? Why do you emphasize on the UN so much since everyone knows the UN is nothing but a WHORE HOUSE where is trying to establish an international system called “MODERN SLAVERY”, otherwise the UN should not have cooperated with the criminal West to drag the world to this condition and strengthen the hands of the criminals by giving them the rights to veto anything that limits their power in the targeted countries from Pakistan to Africa especially the Sudan and beyond to implement their invasion and occupation committing assassination, staging death squad, raping men and women, torturing people to get ‘information’ for a phony ”war on terror”, killing civilians and accusing Ben Laden who is death for years now. The war criminals making tapes to spread messages from a death boy, Ben Laden, to advice people to read books by Chomsky to establish the phony slogan of the anti war movement, “No Blood For Oil” to strengthen pro OIL position including Thomas Friedman’s message of “American addiction to Oil” which has been repeat by Cynthia McKinney in her acceptance speech for presidency. The information spread by NYT and other media keeps Americans in the cooperating mood. The NYT was and is an important instrument to disseminate ‘information’ to implement the neocon’s pro Israel plan using many reporters, columnist whose job is to prepare the pubic opinion for such a crime. Don’t you remember Michael Gordon who was giving us information as “evidence” that IED coming from Iran is killing American soldiers? Don’t you remember William Safire whose use of ‘Persian Empire”, started 12 years ago, intends to frighten the ignorant Americans to construct, like Sudan, minorities who are under the oppression of ‘Persian’ in Iran? Safire received a ‘Medal of Freedom’ for his services to the empire. Now, if you know the Zionist’s plan then you wouldn’t be excited to such a degree that writing a letter and informing NYT that you have canceled your subscription. You should have done it much earlier because facilitators’ contribution to war and destruction can be diminished by boycotting their product. Many people before you have done the same think but NYT mission is to stay with corrupt power until death. William Kristol has been hired by NYT to defeat Obama in November election against McCain, the war monger, by staging campaign of lies and deception against Obama to save Apartied State of Israel and to expand “American exceptionalism” by force into other areas of the world. Mr. Uhler:
Your letter is nothing but waste of time, I think. Why did you wait until now to cancel your subscription? Didn’t you notice whose side NYT is working with? They supported the war from the beginning. Don’t you remember Judith Miller, the Zionist pro Israel, with a bag of sugar sitting next to William Cohen on National TV lying about Iraq weapons of mass destruction to frighten Americans who have been taken hostage by the Zionist media including the NYT? Don’t you remember the fuss over a package of baby powder where was widely reported as anthrax in the beginning? I am wondering who sent that package in. They sold many copies anyway. Don’t you remember NYT reporter David Sanger who was writing on supposedly “Iran Nuclear Weapon program” until recently to create a pretext for another Zionist war right after invasion of Iraq based on lies and deception? Why do you emphasize on the UN so much since everyone knows the UN is nothing but a WHORE HOUSE where is trying to establish an international system called “MODERN SLAVERY”, otherwise the UN should not have cooperated with the criminal West to drag the world to this condition and strengthen the hands of the criminals by giving them the rights to veto anything that limits their power in the targeted countries from Pakistan to Africa especially the Sudan and beyond to implement their invasion and occupation committing assassination, staging death squad, raping men and women, torturing people to get ‘information’ for a phony ”war on terror”, killing civilians and accusing Ben Laden who is death for years now. The war criminals making tapes to spread messages from a death boy, Ben Laden, to advice people to read books by Chomsky to establish the phony slogan of the anti war movement,
“No Blood For Oil” to strengthen pro OIL position including Thomas Friedman’s message of “American addiction to Oil” which has been repeat by Cynthia McKinney in her acceptance speech for presidency. The information spread by NYT and other media keeps Americans in the cooperating mood.
The NYT was and is an important instrument to disseminate
‘information’ to implement the neocon’s pro Israel plan using many reporters, columnist whose job is to prepare the pubic opinion for such a crime. Don’t you remember Michael Gordon who was giving us information as “evidence” that IED coming from Iran is killing American soldiers? Don’t you remember William Safire whose use of ‘Persian Empire”, started 12 years ago, intends to frighten the ignorant Americans to construct, like Sudan, minorities who are under the oppression of ‘Persian’ in Iran? Safire received a ‘Medal of Freedom’ for his services to the empire.
Now, if you know the Zionist’s plan then you wouldn’t be excited to such a degree that writing a letter and informing NYT that you have canceled your subscription. You should have done it much earlier because facilitators’ contribution to war and destruction can be diminished by boycotting their product. Many people before you have done the same think but NYT mission is to stay with corrupt power until death.
William Kristol has been hired by NYT to defeat Obama in November election against McCain, the war monger, by staging campaign of lies and deception against Obama to save Apartied State of Israel and to expand “American exceptionalism” by force into other areas of the world.

]]> By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16541 hp Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:59:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16541 Which is precisely why it will, Lloyd. And as far as secrecy goes, both you and I, Lloyd, are old enough to remember when the criminals would actually worry, shuck and jive, squirm and stutter, when facing, oh, say, a Senate inquiry. These days, no such thing. They just shove it in our face like a cream pie and ask what are we gonna do about it. At most, they toss up a clerk or two for the modern version of a human sacrifice and then back to work. Which is precisely why it will, Lloyd.
And as far as secrecy goes, both you and I, Lloyd, are old enough to remember when the criminals would actually worry, shuck and jive, squirm and stutter, when facing, oh, say, a Senate inquiry. These days, no such thing. They just shove it in our face like a cream pie and ask what are we gonna do about it. At most, they toss up a clerk or two for the modern version of a human sacrifice and then back to work.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16518 Lloyd Rowsey Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:42:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16518 I'm a lefty too, Timber, and I knew a guy in the 1970's who said he would stop preaching Secrecy is the Thing, because nothing would change until people started realizing that fact. And secrecy and social degeneration in the US would only worsen until secrecy was dealt with, so if the other lefties ignored him, he could always preach again later. Social reality is not susceptible to the fine and admirable analytical skills you demonstrate, Timber. People get fed up with It, and it's almost like an iceberg turning upside down, against all the laws of how the damn thing came into being in the first place. At least I hope so. And hp. the funny thing is, the big hurt doesn't even need to happen. I’m a lefty too, Timber, and I knew a guy in the 1970’s who said he would stop preaching Secrecy is the Thing, because nothing would change until people started realizing that fact. And secrecy and social degeneration in the US would only worsen until secrecy was dealt with, so if the other lefties ignored him, he could always preach again later.

Social reality is not susceptible to the fine and admirable analytical skills you demonstrate, Timber. People get fed up with It, and it’s almost like an iceberg turning upside down, against all the laws of how the damn thing came into being in the first place. At least I hope so.

And hp. the funny thing is, the big hurt doesn’t even need to happen.

]]> By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16503 hp Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:57:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16503 And it's really gonna hurt. And it’s really gonna hurt.

]]> By: Timber http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16498 Timber Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:18:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/my-protest-to-the-times-effete-warmonger-kristolsanitizing-five-years-in-iraq/#comment-16498 I'm a lefty myself, but I wonder what effect if any it would have if Chomsky, Zinn, Parenti, or other intellectuals despised by the right were represented in mainstream media. For one thing, any criticism of America's consumerist culture is going to fall on deaf ears. I live in a working-class neighborhood, and big SUVs, Bluetooths, and fake Rolexes are everywhere. People will work 80 hours a week to possess almost any dumbassed status symbol. Ironically, many lefties who insist on the inherent intelligence of the American public will characterize them as unable to resist the mesmerizing power of advertising as the reason why people choose trinkets over freedom or thrift. For another, there are at least a million families with a member in the military alone, not to mention in private contractors like Blackwater or in some other agency of the ol' military-industrial-intelligence complex. How many of those families are going to be receptive to a criticism of those organizations as a tool of big business or some even more shadowy oligarchy? And yet, without some criticism of how the military, CIA, et. al have been used in the past, there is no chance of keeping them from being used for the same purposes in the future. Lastly, and Chomsky is the best example of this, many left intellectuals insist on criticizing abstract entities for concrete problems, which provides absolutely no opening for reform. What does an institutional analysis accomplish if at the same time you absolve everyone participating in those institutions of any personal responsibility? It often seems to me that the institutional analysis is just a way of portraying yourself as a nice guy by not blaming people, even as you condemn the institutions and culture in which the selfsame people freely participate. I just don't know what a lefty could say to America, given almost any platform or forum, that would bring about the change in consciousness that has to precede any kind of real institutional reform. Pessimistic or not, I think only the failure of present institutions will allow change. I’m a lefty myself, but I wonder what effect if any it would have if Chomsky, Zinn, Parenti, or other intellectuals despised by the right were represented in mainstream media.

For one thing, any criticism of America’s consumerist culture is going to fall on deaf ears. I live in a working-class neighborhood, and big SUVs, Bluetooths, and fake Rolexes are everywhere. People will work 80 hours a week to possess almost any dumbassed status symbol. Ironically, many lefties who insist on the inherent intelligence of the American public will characterize them as unable to resist the mesmerizing power of advertising as the reason why people choose trinkets over freedom or thrift.

For another, there are at least a million families with a member in the military alone, not to mention in private contractors like Blackwater or in some other agency of the ol’ military-industrial-intelligence complex. How many of those families are going to be receptive to a criticism of those organizations as a tool of big business or some even more shadowy oligarchy? And yet, without some criticism of how the military, CIA, et. al have been used in the past, there is no chance of keeping them from being used for the same purposes in the future.

Lastly, and Chomsky is the best example of this, many left intellectuals insist on criticizing abstract entities for concrete problems, which provides absolutely no opening for reform. What does an institutional analysis accomplish if at the same time you absolve everyone participating in those institutions of any personal responsibility? It often seems to me that the institutional analysis is just a way of portraying yourself as a nice guy by not blaming people, even as you condemn the institutions and culture in which the selfsame people freely participate.

I just don’t know what a lefty could say to America, given almost any platform or forum, that would bring about the change in consciousness that has to precede any kind of real institutional reform. Pessimistic or not, I think only the failure of present institutions will allow change.

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