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	<title>Comments on: Freedom of Speech, Free Speech, and their Enemies</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/freedom-of-speech-free-speech-and-their-enemies/#comment-16601</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad there's nothing Artie Fishel about either the detractors of Atzmon, or, alas, the detractors of his detractors.

May "fate . . . unfold as possibilities . . . grounded in" recovery of our deepest past, turning from "intensive highly-involved chatter" to grateful ceremoniousness, drawing upon words of an integrity as unburdening as these by Oren Ben-Dor, on music as harmoniously sophisticated as Gilad Atzmon's, to awaken us to, and inspire us to embrace, a fate of fully human possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad there&#8217;s nothing Artie Fishel about either the detractors of Atzmon, or, alas, the detractors of his detractors.</p>
<p>May &#8220;fate . . . unfold as possibilities . . . grounded in&#8221; recovery of our deepest past, turning from &#8220;intensive highly-involved chatter&#8221; to grateful ceremoniousness, drawing upon words of an integrity as unburdening as these by Oren Ben-Dor, on music as harmoniously sophisticated as Gilad Atzmon&#8217;s, to awaken us to, and inspire us to embrace, a fate of fully human possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Contra Racisma</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/freedom-of-speech-free-speech-and-their-enemies/#comment-16501</link>
		<dc:creator>Contra Racisma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenlungfish:  "Amusing that all these supporters of Atzmon and Peace Palestine have so far failed to address the charges."

Which "charges" might those be, greenie?  The so-called charges you're bringing to your fantasy court case don't deal with holocaust denial, anti-semitism, neo-nazism, or have you forgotten, o psychopathic one.

The 'charges' you're hoping to sue GA for revolve around the mention of your various and motley list of criminal offences, not correct?  The fraud, intimidation, bullying, shoplifting, pilfering, vandalism (latest offence involving church property) and other petty crimes in which you specialise.

Yet there have been so many honest citizens drawing our attention to your dishonest, unethical behaviour which seems to be on the increase.  The internet is rocking with mirth about it, and there's little doubt generally that the judge will find the charges you attempt to make against GA  'amusing' as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenlungfish:  &#8220;Amusing that all these supporters of Atzmon and Peace Palestine have so far failed to address the charges.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which &#8220;charges&#8221; might those be, greenie?  The so-called charges you&#8217;re bringing to your fantasy court case don&#8217;t deal with holocaust denial, anti-semitism, neo-nazism, or have you forgotten, o psychopathic one.</p>
<p>The &#8216;charges&#8217; you&#8217;re hoping to sue GA for revolve around the mention of your various and motley list of criminal offences, not correct?  The fraud, intimidation, bullying, shoplifting, pilfering, vandalism (latest offence involving church property) and other petty crimes in which you specialise.</p>
<p>Yet there have been so many honest citizens drawing our attention to your dishonest, unethical behaviour which seems to be on the increase.  The internet is rocking with mirth about it, and there&#8217;s little doubt generally that the judge will find the charges you attempt to make against GA  &#8216;amusing&#8217; as well.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/freedom-of-speech-free-speech-and-their-enemies/#comment-16499</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As opposed to Alan Dershowitz and William Kristol?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As opposed to Alan Dershowitz and William Kristol?</p>
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		<title>By: Lungfish</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/freedom-of-speech-free-speech-and-their-enemies/#comment-16483</link>
		<dc:creator>Lungfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amusing that all these supporters of Atzmon and Peace Palestine have so far failed to address the charges.

No mention of Atzmon's dubious views on the Holocaust, his Jewish conspiracy theories, the open distribution of Holocaust denial material with an endorsement, his contributions to Holocaust denial sites, the incident in Bochum when a German crowd turned hostile at his comments about the Holocaust, nor PePA's linking to the Ku Klux Klan, Radical Press and other far-right/NeoNazi sewers... all neatly sidestepped.

In fact, the above article doesn't address anything, it simply attacks Greenstein and perpetuates the false propaganda that he is a Zionist.

What does that tell us about the strength of their position?

Has anyone else not noticed these people walk and talk like some of the White Power people they associate with? Such as David Duke and Ernst Zuendel...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amusing that all these supporters of Atzmon and Peace Palestine have so far failed to address the charges.</p>
<p>No mention of Atzmon&#8217;s dubious views on the Holocaust, his Jewish conspiracy theories, the open distribution of Holocaust denial material with an endorsement, his contributions to Holocaust denial sites, the incident in Bochum when a German crowd turned hostile at his comments about the Holocaust, nor PePA&#8217;s linking to the Ku Klux Klan, Radical Press and other far-right/NeoNazi sewers&#8230; all neatly sidestepped.</p>
<p>In fact, the above article doesn&#8217;t address anything, it simply attacks Greenstein and perpetuates the false propaganda that he is a Zionist.</p>
<p>What does that tell us about the strength of their position?</p>
<p>Has anyone else not noticed these people walk and talk like some of the White Power people they associate with? Such as David Duke and Ernst Zuendel&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/freedom-of-speech-free-speech-and-their-enemies/#comment-16481</link>
		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How amusing that unemployable sociopath Tony Greenstein deviates his abuse trail onto Dr of Philosophy &#38; Law, Oren Ben-Dor &#38; in the process asks his (imaginary) readers: Who Is Gilad Atzmon? http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/ ...university.html

Well, bloody hell Tony, you should know &#38; despite the crushing limits of your remarkably small brain, I think it’s just about possible you do know. 

The man you stalk &#38; harass 24 hours a day &#38; write about incessantly in your narcissistic little blog is an immensely talented, internationally successful &#38; dearly beloved polymath. He is the antithesis that forces you to acknowledge your pretty impressive lack of achievement outside the world of vandalism. 

It is clear to anyone with a GCSE in psychology why you hate Gilad with such pathological bile. I almost feel sorry for you. It must be very painful to look in the mirror &#38; see a violent thief with about as much charm as a dead dung beetle. It’s hard. But Tony, what can we do?! It’s obvious as well why you cling to your identification with ‘Jewishness’. It’s the only thing that distinguishes you, in your own mind, from a small town ASBO-proud ‘hoody’. But Tony, aside from the generation gap, that is all you are. 

I wish for you own sake &#38; for the sake of all of our boredom thresholds, that you had something to contribute to the world other than ‘crimes against poultry’ but there is simply nothing of note about you. It really is sad. You imagine you’re Ben Gurion on an Eichmann hunt. But Tony, you’re just a man who a nicked a chicken &#38; got caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How amusing that unemployable sociopath Tony Greenstein deviates his abuse trail onto Dr of Philosophy &amp; Law, Oren Ben-Dor &amp; in the process asks his (imaginary) readers: Who Is Gilad Atzmon? <a href="http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/" rel="nofollow">http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/</a> &#8230;university.html</p>
<p>Well, bloody hell Tony, you should know &amp; despite the crushing limits of your remarkably small brain, I think it’s just about possible you do know. </p>
<p>The man you stalk &amp; harass 24 hours a day &amp; write about incessantly in your narcissistic little blog is an immensely talented, internationally successful &amp; dearly beloved polymath. He is the antithesis that forces you to acknowledge your pretty impressive lack of achievement outside the world of vandalism. </p>
<p>It is clear to anyone with a GCSE in psychology why you hate Gilad with such pathological bile. I almost feel sorry for you. It must be very painful to look in the mirror &amp; see a violent thief with about as much charm as a dead dung beetle. It’s hard. But Tony, what can we do?! It’s obvious as well why you cling to your identification with ‘Jewishness’. It’s the only thing that distinguishes you, in your own mind, from a small town ASBO-proud ‘hoody’. But Tony, aside from the generation gap, that is all you are. </p>
<p>I wish for you own sake &amp; for the sake of all of our boredom thresholds, that you had something to contribute to the world other than ‘crimes against poultry’ but there is simply nothing of note about you. It really is sad. You imagine you’re Ben Gurion on an Eichmann hunt. But Tony, you’re just a man who a nicked a chicken &amp; got caught.</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/freedom-of-speech-free-speech-and-their-enemies/#comment-16461</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the early Sixties, as a &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/3/newsid_2714000/2714525.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;'wind of change'&lt;/a&gt; was blowing across Africa, Jean Paul Sartre wrote the following about the &lt;a href="http://www.cooper.edu/humanities/core/hss3/Sartre.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;hole&lt;/a&gt; his country had dug itself into in &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3i8-lmLVkk" rel="nofollow"&gt;North Africa&lt;/a&gt;:
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In other days France was the name of a country. We should take care that in 1961 it does not become the name of a nervous disease.
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Those who would found their settler state on fallacies such as 'Algeria is French' or &lt;a href="http://www.plutobooks.com/pdf/9780745320557.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;'The Bible is our mandate'&lt;/a&gt; need to take special care of their mental well-being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the early Sixties, as a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/3/newsid_2714000/2714525.stm" rel="nofollow">&#8216;wind of change&#8217;</a> was blowing across Africa, Jean Paul Sartre wrote the following about the <a href="http://www.cooper.edu/humanities/core/hss3/Sartre.html" rel="nofollow">hole</a> his country had dug itself into in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3i8-lmLVkk" rel="nofollow">North Africa</a>:</p>
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In other days France was the name of a country. We should take care that in 1961 it does not become the name of a nervous disease.
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<p>Those who would found their settler state on fallacies such as &#8216;Algeria is French&#8217; or <a href="http://www.plutobooks.com/pdf/9780745320557.pdf" rel="nofollow">&#8216;The Bible is our mandate&#8217;</a> need to take special care of their mental well-being.</p>
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		<title>By: Contra Racisma</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/freedom-of-speech-free-speech-and-their-enemies/#comment-16446</link>
		<dc:creator>Contra Racisma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a thought-provoking article!

"It would be an understatement to say that debating Gilad’s voice is supremely important. No thinking person could fail to be stimulated by the deep connections Gilad makes."

Indeed, that is the truth, and it's good to realise that there are other people originally from Israel who recognise his hugely valuable contribution to the discourse.

Tony Greenstein however is not a thinking person, but a tribal crypto-zionist leftist, a so-called "anti-zionist Jew" who serves the Zionist project in immeasurable ways, incessantly labelling people as "neo-nazis, "anti-semites" and "holocaust deniers" if they offer any real support for the right of the Palestinians to fight back against their oppressors, and for the ROR.

Greenstein, an ex-criminal with at least 12 convictions  (for petty theft, credit card fraud, beating up Jewish students etc.) documented ad nauseum on the internet, has shown he has the chutzpah to actually attempt to hide behind the British Rehabilitation Act for Serial Offenders, which he hopes to use to silence Atzmon and anybody else who dares refer to the fact that he has repeatedly proven himself to be unethical to the core, and wholly dishonest!

Greenstein has dedicated the past few years to his obsession with Atzmon, carrying out a bitter and insane personal vendetta which has included the worst kind of defamation, slander and smearing slung at Atzmon, as well as at any venue, stage, site, or bookshop which has invited him to peform or talk.

"I believe that only through holding of the mirror might there be a faint chance to find a connective tissue to that being and thinking of Israelis. " 

Greenstein and his small band of Jews Against Those Who Fail to Make Anti-Semitism Their Number One Priority would be well advised to hold that mirror up as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a thought-provoking article!</p>
<p>&#8220;It would be an understatement to say that debating Gilad’s voice is supremely important. No thinking person could fail to be stimulated by the deep connections Gilad makes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, that is the truth, and it&#8217;s good to realise that there are other people originally from Israel who recognise his hugely valuable contribution to the discourse.</p>
<p>Tony Greenstein however is not a thinking person, but a tribal crypto-zionist leftist, a so-called &#8220;anti-zionist Jew&#8221; who serves the Zionist project in immeasurable ways, incessantly labelling people as &#8220;neo-nazis, &#8220;anti-semites&#8221; and &#8220;holocaust deniers&#8221; if they offer any real support for the right of the Palestinians to fight back against their oppressors, and for the ROR.</p>
<p>Greenstein, an ex-criminal with at least 12 convictions  (for petty theft, credit card fraud, beating up Jewish students etc.) documented ad nauseum on the internet, has shown he has the chutzpah to actually attempt to hide behind the British Rehabilitation Act for Serial Offenders, which he hopes to use to silence Atzmon and anybody else who dares refer to the fact that he has repeatedly proven himself to be unethical to the core, and wholly dishonest!</p>
<p>Greenstein has dedicated the past few years to his obsession with Atzmon, carrying out a bitter and insane personal vendetta which has included the worst kind of defamation, slander and smearing slung at Atzmon, as well as at any venue, stage, site, or bookshop which has invited him to peform or talk.</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe that only through holding of the mirror might there be a faint chance to find a connective tissue to that being and thinking of Israelis. &#8221; </p>
<p>Greenstein and his small band of Jews Against Those Who Fail to Make Anti-Semitism Their Number One Priority would be well advised to hold that mirror up as well!</p>
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