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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually VOTED on Super Tuesday, for you Cynthia on the P&#38;F ticket, in Bencia, California,  and I'm glad I did.  Gloria La Riva also comes across very well, and I saw her on video, about month ago.  Moreover, even Ralph's writing is tightening up.  

But it must be difficult to not appear naive or out-of-touch, but rather sufficiently confident and at ease, in front of the camers when proposing radical solutions to problems that mainstream Americans haven't the experience of hearing addressed in radical terms.   Regardless of how much one understands that the vast majority of Americans have a thorn sticking in their minds  (in the metaphor of one of DV's regular posters) reminding them that Something Is Very Wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually VOTED on Super Tuesday, for you Cynthia on the P&amp;F ticket, in Bencia, California,  and I&#8217;m glad I did.  Gloria La Riva also comes across very well, and I saw her on video, about month ago.  Moreover, even Ralph&#8217;s writing is tightening up.  </p>
<p>But it must be difficult to not appear naive or out-of-touch, but rather sufficiently confident and at ease, in front of the camers when proposing radical solutions to problems that mainstream Americans haven&#8217;t the experience of hearing addressed in radical terms.   Regardless of how much one understands that the vast majority of Americans have a thorn sticking in their minds  (in the metaphor of one of DV&#8217;s regular posters) reminding them that Something Is Very Wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've yet to understand how anyone can demand for others what they themselves do not now, nor have ever had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve yet to understand how anyone can demand for others what they themselves do not now, nor have ever had.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re "Ken Brady": 

"All together now: Run Tom Run! Run Tom Run! Run Tom Run! Yeah!"

Definition of UnSpeak:  "Change"...

"...change?" "change?"  go fa dat: gimme quota! gimme damm! gimme dam nickle, dammit.

Oba-who?  gimme a break. Sthn Real Compared To (?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;Ken Brady&#8221;: </p>
<p>&#8220;All together now: Run Tom Run! Run Tom Run! Run Tom Run! Yeah!&#8221;</p>
<p>Definition of UnSpeak:  &#8220;Change&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;change?&#8221; &#8220;change?&#8221;  go fa dat: gimme quota! gimme damm! gimme dam nickle, dammit.</p>
<p>Oba-who?  gimme a break. Sthn Real Compared To (?).</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/a-discussion-of-race-worth-having/#comment-16618</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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Hello all!
 
Yesterday, there were demonstrations for peace all over our country.  I participated in San Francisco's and in Los Angeles's rallies.  That makes 5 years of rallies for me and an Administration and Congress that won't listen to us.  Here are my remarks:
 
Cynthia McKinney

Los Angeles, March 13

San Francisco, March 19

 

Our country has been hijacked!

 

Condoleeza, Dick, and George lied to us and the Congress let them spy on us.

 

The Democrats in Congress chose to spend $720 million every day and make themselves complicit in war crimes, torture, crimes against humanity, and crimes against the peace.

 

$720 million a day can feed our hungry children, fund a way home for Katrina survivors, relieve families suffering from predator banks, and pay down on our national debt.

 

Speaker Pelosi:

 

Now that race is on the table, introduce legislation to eliminate all the racial disparities that have plagued our country and our communities since slavery.

 

Speaker Pelosi:

 

We're still waiting for a livable wage, single payer health care, students with an education free of exorbitant loans, and a return to the days when our country did good things and the world looked up to us.

 

Now countries crouch in fear of our next aggression!

 

Hands off Venezuela, Bolivia, and Ecuador!

 

Hands off Haiti and Zimbabwe, and No war against Iran!

 

We want peace and justice now!

 

We must never give up!  We must never give in!  And we will use our vote to take our country back!



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<p>Hello all!</p>
<p>Yesterday, there were demonstrations for peace all over our country.  I participated in San Francisco&#8217;s and in Los Angeles&#8217;s rallies.  That makes 5 years of rallies for me and an Administration and Congress that won&#8217;t listen to us.  Here are my remarks:</p>
<p>Cynthia McKinney</p>
<p>Los Angeles, March 13</p>
<p>San Francisco, March 19</p>
<p>Our country has been hijacked!</p>
<p>Condoleeza, Dick, and George lied to us and the Congress let them spy on us.</p>
<p>The Democrats in Congress chose to spend $720 million every day and make themselves complicit in war crimes, torture, crimes against humanity, and crimes against the peace.</p>
<p>$720 million a day can feed our hungry children, fund a way home for Katrina survivors, relieve families suffering from predator banks, and pay down on our national debt.</p>
<p>Speaker Pelosi:</p>
<p>Now that race is on the table, introduce legislation to eliminate all the racial disparities that have plagued our country and our communities since slavery.</p>
<p>Speaker Pelosi:</p>
<p>We&#8217;re still waiting for a livable wage, single payer health care, students with an education free of exorbitant loans, and a return to the days when our country did good things and the world looked up to us.</p>
<p>Now countries crouch in fear of our next aggression!</p>
<p>Hands off Venezuela, Bolivia, and Ecuador!</p>
<p>Hands off Haiti and Zimbabwe, and No war against Iran!</p>
<p>We want peace and justice now!</p>
<p>We must never give up!  We must never give in!  And we will use our vote to take our country back!</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
&#8220;And advanced forms of biological warfare that can &#8216;target&#8217; specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;PNAC, Rebuilding America&#8217;s Defenses, p. 60</p>
<p>&#8220;The less you know, the more you believe.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Bono</p>
<p>&#8220;Certain material weaknesses in financial reporting and other limitations on the scope of our work resulted in conditions that, for the 10th consecutive year, prevented us from expressing an opinion on the federal government&#8217;s consolidated financial statements.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;David Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, December 15, 2006 </p>
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		<title>By: epppie</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/a-discussion-of-race-worth-having/#comment-16617</link>
		<dc:creator>epppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia, I didn't see much to welcome in Obama's speech.   He basically threw his pastor 'under the bus' for speaking the truth;  he basically slurred his pastor for speaking the truth with the racial stereotype of the "angry black";  and he basically threw the Palestinian people under the bus along with his pastor;  and, on top of that, he  continues to peddle the notion that racism in America is some
perverse nostalgia, some soft and cloudy thing, barely there, really.  All we need to do is sprinkle a little more "opportunity" around and sing a few rounds of "kumbaya" and it'll be gone.

That's not just bullcrap, it's heinous bullcrap.  It's time to stop making excuses for "centrist" democrats, which really means right wing democrats, be they male or female, black or white or hispanic, young or old.  The polls show that Americans saw right through Obama's  cowardly speech.  It's ABOUT TIME America saw through that faker.  Now they need to see through the other two fakers, McCain (the campaign religious convert) and Clinton (the one who thinks that it takes a village (us) to bomb another village (Iran)).

I believe with you that the majority of Americans are willing to listen to a candidate who starts talking about the world as it really is, not as it is imagined to be in the Beltway/Wall Street Wonderful World of Oz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia, I didn&#8217;t see much to welcome in Obama&#8217;s speech.   He basically threw his pastor &#8216;under the bus&#8217; for speaking the truth;  he basically slurred his pastor for speaking the truth with the racial stereotype of the &#8220;angry black&#8221;;  and he basically threw the Palestinian people under the bus along with his pastor;  and, on top of that, he  continues to peddle the notion that racism in America is some<br />
perverse nostalgia, some soft and cloudy thing, barely there, really.  All we need to do is sprinkle a little more &#8220;opportunity&#8221; around and sing a few rounds of &#8220;kumbaya&#8221; and it&#8217;ll be gone.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not just bullcrap, it&#8217;s heinous bullcrap.  It&#8217;s time to stop making excuses for &#8220;centrist&#8221; democrats, which really means right wing democrats, be they male or female, black or white or hispanic, young or old.  The polls show that Americans saw right through Obama&#8217;s  cowardly speech.  It&#8217;s ABOUT TIME America saw through that faker.  Now they need to see through the other two fakers, McCain (the campaign religious convert) and Clinton (the one who thinks that it takes a village (us) to bomb another village (Iran)).</p>
<p>I believe with you that the majority of Americans are willing to listen to a candidate who starts talking about the world as it really is, not as it is imagined to be in the Beltway/Wall Street Wonderful World of Oz.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Brady</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/a-discussion-of-race-worth-having/#comment-16605</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who wrote this for Cynthia? I've read her past writings and listened to her in person and there's no way she wrote something with this quality of grammar and syntax. 

Cynthia, Obama's the future now. You're just a race warlord from the past who represents a smaller and smaller constituency. Give it up, girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who wrote this for Cynthia? I&#8217;ve read her past writings and listened to her in person and there&#8217;s no way she wrote something with this quality of grammar and syntax. </p>
<p>Cynthia, Obama&#8217;s the future now. You&#8217;re just a race warlord from the past who represents a smaller and smaller constituency. Give it up, girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Roosevelt</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/a-discussion-of-race-worth-having/#comment-16596</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleanor Roosevelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The white race has laid waste to Mother Earth. The white race is the primitive race. Only they have sunk so low as to endanger Mother Earth herself. All races are stupid but only the white race has thrown all its future into the foolish hope that the Earth can survive what we are doing to her. There will be no reckoning about race until there is a reckoning about what we have done to the Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The white race has laid waste to Mother Earth. The white race is the primitive race. Only they have sunk so low as to endanger Mother Earth herself. All races are stupid but only the white race has thrown all its future into the foolish hope that the Earth can survive what we are doing to her. There will be no reckoning about race until there is a reckoning about what we have done to the Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/a-discussion-of-race-worth-having/#comment-16591</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public policy won't change the attitudes and biases of Americans at large. It is far past time that we stop talking about "Black America" and "White America" and talk about America. By having "White America's" government reach out to "Black America" is not enough. Americans has to reach out for each other, ignorant of race or creed, and help those who have slipped through the cracks get back on their feet.

But the first step is facing the truth that the problems facing "Black America" in poverty and education and healthcare also face "White America" and "Latino America" and so on and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public policy won&#8217;t change the attitudes and biases of Americans at large. It is far past time that we stop talking about &#8220;Black America&#8221; and &#8220;White America&#8221; and talk about America. By having &#8220;White America&#8217;s&#8221; government reach out to &#8220;Black America&#8221; is not enough. Americans has to reach out for each other, ignorant of race or creed, and help those who have slipped through the cracks get back on their feet.</p>
<p>But the first step is facing the truth that the problems facing &#8220;Black America&#8221; in poverty and education and healthcare also face &#8220;White America&#8221; and &#8220;Latino America&#8221; and so on and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/a-discussion-of-race-worth-having/#comment-16576</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George - I couldn't have said it better.</description>
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		<title>By: George Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/a-discussion-of-race-worth-having/#comment-16562</link>
		<dc:creator>George Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Cynthia but when it comes down to it there is a very simple racial dynamic at work here in America. Whites knows that the inequalities that exist are because of slavery but many of simply them don't care because they devalue blackness and just want things to remain as they are because they have benefited from black suffering over many generations. The whites that have not benefited as much or at all perceive black complaints as directed at them when in fact they are directed at the powerful white men that constructed and still construct racist policies that harm poor people of all races. The same good ole boys, rednecks or whatever you want to call them are angry at being betrayed by wealthier whites. They vent their anger on blacks who do not deserve it. It is a form of guilt over history but it is also misdirected anger that should be directed toward rich whites that put their personal wealth ahead of any allegiance to whiteness. I'm glad rich whites changed their priorities because it exposes them for what they are but poor whites refuse to see the truth because blacks are easier targets for scapegoating than corporate CEOs, stockholders and other movers and shakers bringing about our common demise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Cynthia but when it comes down to it there is a very simple racial dynamic at work here in America. Whites knows that the inequalities that exist are because of slavery but many of simply them don&#8217;t care because they devalue blackness and just want things to remain as they are because they have benefited from black suffering over many generations. The whites that have not benefited as much or at all perceive black complaints as directed at them when in fact they are directed at the powerful white men that constructed and still construct racist policies that harm poor people of all races. The same good ole boys, rednecks or whatever you want to call them are angry at being betrayed by wealthier whites. They vent their anger on blacks who do not deserve it. It is a form of guilt over history but it is also misdirected anger that should be directed toward rich whites that put their personal wealth ahead of any allegiance to whiteness. I&#8217;m glad rich whites changed their priorities because it exposes them for what they are but poor whites refuse to see the truth because blacks are easier targets for scapegoating than corporate CEOs, stockholders and other movers and shakers bringing about our common demise.</p>
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