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	<title>Comments on: Vanunu: A Man Without a Country Has a Local and Global Community</title>
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		<title>By: LanceThruster</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-15109</link>
		<dc:creator>LanceThruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mordechai Vanunu is an eminent truth-teller and genuinely decent human being. I emailed him expressing my fervent hope that the courts would actually apply justice in his case and allow him his freedom of movement. As it turns out, Israel still chooses to be vindictive as it continues to restrict his freedom in so many petty and arbitrary ways.  Dr. Vanunu responded with much warmth and optimism. He was anxiously awaiting his day in court. I feel pretty much powerless knowing that a good man and exemplary world citizen is being held hostage by a criminal government in order to send a message to anyone else courageous enough or foolish enough to tell the truth about Israel's actions.

Great piece, Eileen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mordechai Vanunu is an eminent truth-teller and genuinely decent human being. I emailed him expressing my fervent hope that the courts would actually apply justice in his case and allow him his freedom of movement. As it turns out, Israel still chooses to be vindictive as it continues to restrict his freedom in so many petty and arbitrary ways.  Dr. Vanunu responded with much warmth and optimism. He was anxiously awaiting his day in court. I feel pretty much powerless knowing that a good man and exemplary world citizen is being held hostage by a criminal government in order to send a message to anyone else courageous enough or foolish enough to tell the truth about Israel&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>Great piece, Eileen.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-15076</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't worry about it Ray- i read it as all the comments come directly to my email. I do believe the DV editors are doing a great  job and i wonder if maybe they are trying to send us the message to stay on topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry about it Ray- i read it as all the comments come directly to my email. I do believe the DV editors are doing a great  job and i wonder if maybe they are trying to send us the message to stay on topic?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-15075</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My above post was a response to a post by Jaime that has since disappeared (I guess it was removed by DV editors; I can't recall if it contained some comment more offensive than the typical Jaime post but it must have). Without Jaime's post, my reply doesn't seem to make too much sense. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My above post was a response to a post by Jaime that has since disappeared (I guess it was removed by DV editors; I can&#8217;t recall if it contained some comment more offensive than the typical Jaime post but it must have). Without Jaime&#8217;s post, my reply doesn&#8217;t seem to make too much sense. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-15071</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LDS (Mormon) Church does believe that native American tribes are the lost tribes of Israel. The Book of Mormon claims to be a record of the sojourn of the ten lost tribes to South and ultimately North America, where they displeased God and caused him to change their skil color to "red." (I kid you not!)  Because Mormons think of themselves as the true "Jews,"  they even refer to themselves as "Zionists" (for example, the Mormon church owned department store chain is called ZCMI (Zion's Clothing and Merchantile Inc.)  When did you become a Mormon, Jaime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LDS (Mormon) Church does believe that native American tribes are the lost tribes of Israel. The Book of Mormon claims to be a record of the sojourn of the ten lost tribes to South and ultimately North America, where they displeased God and caused him to change their skil color to &#8220;red.&#8221; (I kid you not!)  Because Mormons think of themselves as the true &#8220;Jews,&#8221;  they even refer to themselves as &#8220;Zionists&#8221; (for example, the Mormon church owned department store chain is called ZCMI (Zion&#8217;s Clothing and Merchantile Inc.)  When did you become a Mormon, Jaime?</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-15046</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting turn to this conversation, and so i will add this trio:

1. RE: JC
The term 'Christian' was not even coined until the days of Paul, about 3 decades after Jesus walked the earth a man.


Jesus was NEVER a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up and challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were:

Sinners, poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.

 

What got Jesus crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces of his time, by teaching the subversive concept that Caesar only had power because God allowed it and that God preferred the humble sinner, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Occupation above the elite and arrogant.

The early followers and lovers of Jesus were called members of THE WAY-being THE WAY JC taught one should be; Nonviolent, a Peacemaker and one who did the will of the Father .

"What does God require? He has told you o'man! Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord." -Micah 6:8

Jesus remained NONVIOLENT and forgiving even while being mocked, whipped and nailed to a cross and he promised that it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God, not the peace-talkers.


2,000 years ago The Cross had NO symbolic religious meaning. When Jesus said: "Pick up your cross and follow me," EVERYONE back then understood he was issuing a POLITICAL statement, for the main roads in Jerusalem were lined with crucified agitators, rebels, dissidents and any others who disturbed the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces, for crucification was Rome's method of capitol punishment.

2. The TOP 5, 2005-2006 Election Cycle Senate Recipients of Pro-Israel PAC Funds

Joe Lieberman, D-CT          127,093
Bill Nelson, D-FL.                  89,861
Jon Kyl, R-AZ.                       87,000
Debbie Stabenow, D-MI.    85,796
Robert Mendez, D-NJ          84,835
Rick Santorum, R-PA.          75,500

From 2005-2006, Pro-Israel Funds to Congress TOTALED:  $3,277,693

The TOTAL 2005-2006 Election Cycle Congressional recipients of Arab American PAC Funds to Congress TOTALED: $80,500:
$1,000 was received by 4 Congressional Reps.
$2,000 was received by 27 and the maximum of
$8,000 was received by Lincoln Chaffe, R-RI

-Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 2007 edition

3. Hillary Clinton: The Democrat Demimondaine and Consummate Pandering Politician, who really gets my Irish up, but i won't spill any more cyber ink here, if you care to read why she is AIPAC's and Israel's favorite candidate, i vented @
http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&#38;task=view&#38;id=411&#38;Itemid=138</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting turn to this conversation, and so i will add this trio:</p>
<p>1. RE: JC<br />
The term &#8216;Christian&#8217; was not even coined until the days of Paul, about 3 decades after Jesus walked the earth a man.</p>
<p>Jesus was NEVER a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up and challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were:</p>
<p>Sinners, poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.</p>
<p>What got Jesus crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces of his time, by teaching the subversive concept that Caesar only had power because God allowed it and that God preferred the humble sinner, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Occupation above the elite and arrogant.</p>
<p>The early followers and lovers of Jesus were called members of THE WAY-being THE WAY JC taught one should be; Nonviolent, a Peacemaker and one who did the will of the Father .</p>
<p>&#8220;What does God require? He has told you o&#8217;man! Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord.&#8221; -Micah 6:8</p>
<p>Jesus remained NONVIOLENT and forgiving even while being mocked, whipped and nailed to a cross and he promised that it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God, not the peace-talkers.</p>
<p>2,000 years ago The Cross had NO symbolic religious meaning. When Jesus said: &#8220;Pick up your cross and follow me,&#8221; EVERYONE back then understood he was issuing a POLITICAL statement, for the main roads in Jerusalem were lined with crucified agitators, rebels, dissidents and any others who disturbed the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces, for crucification was Rome&#8217;s method of capitol punishment.</p>
<p>2. The TOP 5, 2005-2006 Election Cycle Senate Recipients of Pro-Israel PAC Funds</p>
<p>Joe Lieberman, D-CT          127,093<br />
Bill Nelson, D-FL.                  89,861<br />
Jon Kyl, R-AZ.                       87,000<br />
Debbie Stabenow, D-MI.    85,796<br />
Robert Mendez, D-NJ          84,835<br />
Rick Santorum, R-PA.          75,500</p>
<p>From 2005-2006, Pro-Israel Funds to Congress TOTALED:  $3,277,693</p>
<p>The TOTAL 2005-2006 Election Cycle Congressional recipients of Arab American PAC Funds to Congress TOTALED: $80,500:<br />
$1,000 was received by 4 Congressional Reps.<br />
$2,000 was received by 27 and the maximum of<br />
$8,000 was received by Lincoln Chaffe, R-RI</p>
<p>-Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 2007 edition</p>
<p>3. Hillary Clinton: The Democrat Demimondaine and Consummate Pandering Politician, who really gets my Irish up, but i won&#8217;t spill any more cyber ink here, if you care to read why she is AIPAC&#8217;s and Israel&#8217;s favorite candidate, i vented @<br />
<a href="http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=411&amp;Itemid=138" rel="nofollow">http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=411&amp;Itemid=138</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-15040</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashkenazi Jews, the majority in Israel,  are indigenous to eastern Europe and Central Asia.  As far as Jesus goes, the situation when he lived 2,000 years ago was considerably different than the situation today or in 1900. Does that surprise you? 2,000 years ago the land where you live in New Jersey was inhabited by indigenous native American people who had never hears of Europeans, much less of Jews. Yet today, both US Senators from New Jersey are owned and controlled by AIPAC and consistently vote to put the interests of Israel above those of the US!! Go figure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashkenazi Jews, the majority in Israel,  are indigenous to eastern Europe and Central Asia.  As far as Jesus goes, the situation when he lived 2,000 years ago was considerably different than the situation today or in 1900. Does that surprise you? 2,000 years ago the land where you live in New Jersey was inhabited by indigenous native American people who had never hears of Europeans, much less of Jews. Yet today, both US Senators from New Jersey are owned and controlled by AIPAC and consistently vote to put the interests of Israel above those of the US!! Go figure!</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-15002</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, tell that to these &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/middle_east_enl_1172139526/html/1.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;people&lt;/a&gt; whose country has been repeatedly destroyed over the last 3 decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, tell that to these <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/middle_east_enl_1172139526/html/1.stm" rel="nofollow">people</a> whose country has been repeatedly destroyed over the last 3 decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14999</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, Israel is constantly threatening its neighbors. I has continually called on the US to to bomb Iran and has threatened to unilaterally do so if the US does not. It also continually threatens Syria and Lebanon and, as Kim Petersen points out, is in the ongoing process of destroying the Palestinian people and their culture (which many Israeli leaders past and present--such as Golda Meir--even deny exists).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, Israel is constantly threatening its neighbors. I has continually called on the US to to bomb Iran and has threatened to unilaterally do so if the US does not. It also continually threatens Syria and Lebanon and, as Kim Petersen points out, is in the ongoing process of destroying the Palestinian people and their culture (which many Israeli leaders past and present&#8211;such as Golda Meir&#8211;even deny exists).</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14995</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sk,
Whether it threatens to do so or not is of minor relevance; the fact is that Israel is based on the destruction of the indigenous people AND their neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sk,<br />
Whether it threatens to do so or not is of minor relevance; the fact is that Israel is based on the destruction of the indigenous people AND their neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14985</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is one country allowed to keep it's &lt;a href="http://tinyurl.com/a295" rel="nofollow"&gt;nukes&lt;/a&gt; because "it has not threatened to &lt;a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=932361" rel="nofollow"&gt;destroy&lt;/a&gt; any of its neighbours".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is one country allowed to keep it&#8217;s <a href="http://tinyurl.com/a295" rel="nofollow">nukes</a> because &#8220;it has not threatened to <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=932361" rel="nofollow">destroy</a> any of its neighbours&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14982</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi B,

THANKS for the illumination + I am LOL with gratitude.

For the thing about me is as soon as i express my anger; i get over it, 

+ 

"My aim is to agitate &#38; disturb people. I'm not selling bread, I'm selling yeast."-Unamuno

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi B,</p>
<p>THANKS for the illumination + I am LOL with gratitude.</p>
<p>For the thing about me is as soon as i express my anger; i get over it, </p>
<p>+ </p>
<p>&#8220;My aim is to agitate &amp; disturb people. I&#8217;m not selling bread, I&#8217;m selling yeast.&#8221;-Unamuno</p>
<p>e</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14978</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Jaime' is the resident zionist troll, here to add a little spice with his talent for fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Jaime&#8217; is the resident zionist troll, here to add a little spice with his talent for fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14972</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Jamie, NOW you have really gotten my Irish up and FLAMING!

Criticizing the injustices of the state of Israel DOES NOT MAKE ME-or anyone- AN ANTI-SEMITE!

Criticizing the injustices of the USA govt. does not make me-or anyone unpatriotic either!

All it means is that we THINK and speak up against INJUSTICE!

PLEASE try to follow:

If Vanunu betrayed the state of Israel by TELLING THE TRUTH 22 years ago- he did it because there is a HIGHER LAW than the law of man; it is the law of God and God has said:

"What does God require? He has told you o'man!
Be JUST!  be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord." -Micah 6:8

The state of Israel's  OWN WORDS affirm:

"On the day of the termination of the British mandate and on the strength of the United Nations General Assembly declare The State of Israel will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel: it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion it will guarantee freedom of religion [and] conscience and will be faithful to the Charter of the United Nations." - May 14, 1948. The Declaration of the 1948. The Declaration of the establishment of Israel


ALL I AM SAYING is that when the state of Israel HONORS its own words, there will be security for Israel and peace in the Mid East.

Vanunu paid the price of pissing Israel off with 18 yrs. of his life and nearly 4 more since. It is way more than enough for telling THE TRUTH!!!

Israel has NOT suffered a breach of security for V's actions of 22 frickin' years ago, Israel has not allowed IAEA inspectors  into the Dimona, has never signed the NPT and has NEVER even admitted they even possess what the ENTIRE WORLD KNOWS they have: WMD's, YET they have the incredible chutzpah to lock V up for 18 yrs. and torment him for nearly 4 more!!!

do you get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Jamie, NOW you have really gotten my Irish up and FLAMING!</p>
<p>Criticizing the injustices of the state of Israel DOES NOT MAKE ME-or anyone- AN ANTI-SEMITE!</p>
<p>Criticizing the injustices of the USA govt. does not make me-or anyone unpatriotic either!</p>
<p>All it means is that we THINK and speak up against INJUSTICE!</p>
<p>PLEASE try to follow:</p>
<p>If Vanunu betrayed the state of Israel by TELLING THE TRUTH 22 years ago- he did it because there is a HIGHER LAW than the law of man; it is the law of God and God has said:</p>
<p>&#8220;What does God require? He has told you o&#8217;man!<br />
Be JUST!  be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord.&#8221; -Micah 6:8</p>
<p>The state of Israel&#8217;s  OWN WORDS affirm:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the day of the termination of the British mandate and on the strength of the United Nations General Assembly declare The State of Israel will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel: it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion it will guarantee freedom of religion [and] conscience and will be faithful to the Charter of the United Nations.&#8221; - May 14, 1948. The Declaration of the 1948. The Declaration of the establishment of Israel</p>
<p>ALL I AM SAYING is that when the state of Israel HONORS its own words, there will be security for Israel and peace in the Mid East.</p>
<p>Vanunu paid the price of pissing Israel off with 18 yrs. of his life and nearly 4 more since. It is way more than enough for telling THE TRUTH!!!</p>
<p>Israel has NOT suffered a breach of security for V&#8217;s actions of 22 frickin&#8217; years ago, Israel has not allowed IAEA inspectors  into the Dimona, has never signed the NPT and has NEVER even admitted they even possess what the ENTIRE WORLD KNOWS they have: WMD&#8217;s, YET they have the incredible chutzpah to lock V up for 18 yrs. and torment him for nearly 4 more!!!</p>
<p>do you get it?</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14969</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a publicity stunt. The post of "Rector"  sounds good but actually means very little.
Vanunu is considered  a notorious traitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a publicity stunt. The post of &#8220;Rector&#8221;  sounds good but actually means very little.<br />
Vanunu is considered  a notorious traitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"sleazy maneuvering"?  I presume, Jaime, that you are referring to the the Zionist attacks on the Glasgow City Council and on the Green Party motion which quite correctly praises Vanunu. I further presume that you are suggesting that it makes Israel look bad when its supporters behave so in such a "sleazy" and intolerant manner. For a change, I agree with you. The Zionist attacks were sleazy and they did make Israel look bad. You're starting to catch on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;sleazy maneuvering&#8221;?  I presume, Jaime, that you are referring to the the Zionist attacks on the Glasgow City Council and on the Green Party motion which quite correctly praises Vanunu. I further presume that you are suggesting that it makes Israel look bad when its supporters behave so in such a &#8220;sleazy&#8221; and intolerant manner. For a change, I agree with you. The Zionist attacks were sleazy and they did make Israel look bad. You&#8217;re starting to catch on.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to Topic:

I received this email from the UK this morning:

On Thursday 21 February 2008 Glasgow City councillors voted to support campaigns for the release of Mordechai Vanunu from Israel. 

    * Vanunu baton passed from Glasgow University to Glasgow City Council
    * Scotland's biggest City Council adopts whistle-blower Vanunu
    * Zionists attack City Council for allowing members to debate issue
    * Zionists attack Council debating "what another country has done" (Mandela Square is in Glasgow city centre!)
    * Grossman: "We believe the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign was behind this.”
    * Green Party motion supported by many Lib Dem &#38; Labour Cllrs
    * Labour Cllr. Mackechnie: "Weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East? Look no further than Israel."
    * Lib Dem Cllr. Mason: Israel's actions like North Korea, Burma and China.
    * "At no stage did any councillors speak out in favour of Israel." Jewish Chronicle
    * "Vanunu put in 11 years benign solitary for his own protection" (He could have been put with any of Israel's 11,700 Palestinian prisoners/hostages and been perfectly safe)

Press reports:

Anger over council’s move to back Vanunu
22/02/2008
By Leon Symons, Glasgow (The Jewish Chronicle)

Scottish Jewish community leaders have criticised Glasgow City Council for allowing a debate on Israeli nuclear whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu.

Green Party Councillor Martha Wardrop was due to put forward a lengthy motion praising Vanunu, who was sentenced to 18 years in prison after revealing secrets of Israel’s nuclear capability to the Sunday Times newspaper in 1986.

Vanunu completed his sentence but has since been sentenced to a further six months after breaking an order banning him from speaking to foreign journalists.

Cllr Wardrop’s motion, on the agenda for a full council meeting due to be held yesterday [Thursday] afternoon, called on the council to support campaigns for Vanunu’s release and support him 

in his role since 2005 as rector of Glasgow University, which is about to come to an end.

Scottish Representative Council president Philip Mendelsohn said: “It was unfortunate that a local authority thought that it was a relevant thing for them to debate what another country has 

done through its judicial process. It was totally inappropriate.

“There are plenty of other people in jail all over the world for similar offences, yet they don’t make a big issue out of it. It happens only with Israel.”

Stanley Grossman of the Scottish Friends of Israel has either written to or emailed every Glasgow City councillor.

“I have had about half a dozen replies from councillors who said they did not know the full story and that they were going to vote against it. I also had a couple of very nasty replies,” said Mr Grossman.

“This was designed to put Mordechai Vanunu back in the public eye. We believe the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign was behind this.”

However, Michael Napier, chair of SPSC, said its involvement had been “minimal. This is an initiative by the Green Party on the council and has the support of the Labour majority group, so it will go through.

“The wording of the motion is far from that which we would have chosen. I would have chosen a more pro-active role to support the position adopted by students at Glasgow University. They 

have a tradition of supporting people who stand for human rights,” added Mr Napier.

The JC sought comment from Cllr Wardrop but she did not respond to calls.

http://www.thejc.com/home.aspx?ParentId=m11s18&#38;SecId=18&#38;AId=58261&#38;ATypeId=1

ONE-SIDED DEBATE SLAMS VANUNU TREATMENT
22/02/2008 Jewish Telegraph

GLASGOW City Council has voted in favour of a motion supporting Israeli scientist Mordechai Vanunu, convicted in 1988 of publishing state secrets on Israel's nuclear industry.

The motion, debated at a Council meeting yesterday (Thursday), was raised by Scottish Green Party councillor Martha Wardrop.

In a one-sided debate, she called for the Council to support ongoing campaigns for the release of Vanunu from detention, thus allowing him to travel to Scotland, where he is Rector of Glasgow 

University.

She further called for the Council to work closely with cross-party organisations campaigning for his release and to recognise his role as Rector.

Cllr Wardrop stated that she had been asked to raise the motion by several of her Hillhead constituents.
In seconding the motion, Labour councillor Jim Mackechnie said: "Mordechai Vanunu is being shamefully persecuted and prevented from taking up his position as Glasgow University Rector. If 

you want to find weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East, you need look no further than Israel.
"Vanunu's human rights are being constantly violated, but he has remained steadfast and resilient. His supporters include the majority of the Scottish Cabinet, the immediate past Moderator 

of the Church of Scotland and Amnesty International."

Speaking in favour of the motion, Liberal Democrat councillor Dr Christopher Mason stated: "There is a terrible irony and cruelty about what Israel has done to Vanunu.

"The irony is that the Israelis took steps themselves to draw Her Majesty's Government's attention to the fact that they had nuclear weapons.

"After all, how can having nuclear weapons be a deterrent if people don't know you have them? The world was a very different world in 1972 and perhaps Israel felt threatened."

Dr Mason likened Israel's actions in not allowing Vanunu to speak to foreigners to that of countries such as North Korea, Burma and China.

He called upon the Council to write to the President of Israel and urge him to release Vanunu, as continuing to hold him further damaged Israel's reputation.

At no stage in the brief debate, did any of the councillors speak out in favour of Israel or present a more balanced case.

There was no mention of the fact that Vanunu was imprisoned for breaking Israel's Secrets Act rather than acting in the interests of peace.

The fact that he spent 11 years in solitary confinement was spoken about, without stating that it was done for his own protection and that his prison conditions were extremely benign.

Cllr Alex Glass raised an amendment proposing that no action be taken because that would allow everyone the chance to have their say on the motion.

Baillie Cathy McMaster, in seconding the amendment, contended that the wording of the motion would do nothing to enhance the course of peace.

After Cllr Wardrop's summary, in which she said that the motion sought to promote peace and understanding with Israel, the vote was taken and the motion carried, with 39 votes for, 23 

against and four abstentions.

The Jewish Telegraph understands from a Labour Party source, that both the leader of the Labour group, Cllr Steven Purcell, who left another meeting to be present, and the Lord Provost, Cllr 

Robert Winter voted against the motion, along with 20 other Labour councillors and that although the Council is now committed to take action it is unlikely that it will be driven by the Council 

leaders.

http://www.jewishtelegraph.co.uk

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to Topic:</p>
<p>I received this email from the UK this morning:</p>
<p>On Thursday 21 February 2008 Glasgow City councillors voted to support campaigns for the release of Mordechai Vanunu from Israel. </p>
<p>    * Vanunu baton passed from Glasgow University to Glasgow City Council<br />
    * Scotland&#8217;s biggest City Council adopts whistle-blower Vanunu<br />
    * Zionists attack City Council for allowing members to debate issue<br />
    * Zionists attack Council debating &#8220;what another country has done&#8221; (Mandela Square is in Glasgow city centre!)<br />
    * Grossman: &#8220;We believe the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign was behind this.”<br />
    * Green Party motion supported by many Lib Dem &amp; Labour Cllrs<br />
    * Labour Cllr. Mackechnie: &#8220;Weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East? Look no further than Israel.&#8221;<br />
    * Lib Dem Cllr. Mason: Israel&#8217;s actions like North Korea, Burma and China.<br />
    * &#8220;At no stage did any councillors speak out in favour of Israel.&#8221; Jewish Chronicle<br />
    * &#8220;Vanunu put in 11 years benign solitary for his own protection&#8221; (He could have been put with any of Israel&#8217;s 11,700 Palestinian prisoners/hostages and been perfectly safe)</p>
<p>Press reports:</p>
<p>Anger over council’s move to back Vanunu<br />
22/02/2008<br />
By Leon Symons, Glasgow (The Jewish Chronicle)</p>
<p>Scottish Jewish community leaders have criticised Glasgow City Council for allowing a debate on Israeli nuclear whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu.</p>
<p>Green Party Councillor Martha Wardrop was due to put forward a lengthy motion praising Vanunu, who was sentenced to 18 years in prison after revealing secrets of Israel’s nuclear capability to the Sunday Times newspaper in 1986.</p>
<p>Vanunu completed his sentence but has since been sentenced to a further six months after breaking an order banning him from speaking to foreign journalists.</p>
<p>Cllr Wardrop’s motion, on the agenda for a full council meeting due to be held yesterday [Thursday] afternoon, called on the council to support campaigns for Vanunu’s release and support him </p>
<p>in his role since 2005 as rector of Glasgow University, which is about to come to an end.</p>
<p>Scottish Representative Council president Philip Mendelsohn said: “It was unfortunate that a local authority thought that it was a relevant thing for them to debate what another country has </p>
<p>done through its judicial process. It was totally inappropriate.</p>
<p>“There are plenty of other people in jail all over the world for similar offences, yet they don’t make a big issue out of it. It happens only with Israel.”</p>
<p>Stanley Grossman of the Scottish Friends of Israel has either written to or emailed every Glasgow City councillor.</p>
<p>“I have had about half a dozen replies from councillors who said they did not know the full story and that they were going to vote against it. I also had a couple of very nasty replies,” said Mr Grossman.</p>
<p>“This was designed to put Mordechai Vanunu back in the public eye. We believe the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign was behind this.”</p>
<p>However, Michael Napier, chair of SPSC, said its involvement had been “minimal. This is an initiative by the Green Party on the council and has the support of the Labour majority group, so it will go through.</p>
<p>“The wording of the motion is far from that which we would have chosen. I would have chosen a more pro-active role to support the position adopted by students at Glasgow University. They </p>
<p>have a tradition of supporting people who stand for human rights,” added Mr Napier.</p>
<p>The JC sought comment from Cllr Wardrop but she did not respond to calls.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thejc.com/home.aspx?ParentId=m11s18&amp;SecId=18&amp;AId=58261&amp;ATypeId=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.thejc.com/home.aspx?ParentId=m11s18&amp;SecId=18&amp;AId=58261&amp;ATypeId=1</a></p>
<p>ONE-SIDED DEBATE SLAMS VANUNU TREATMENT<br />
22/02/2008 Jewish Telegraph</p>
<p>GLASGOW City Council has voted in favour of a motion supporting Israeli scientist Mordechai Vanunu, convicted in 1988 of publishing state secrets on Israel&#8217;s nuclear industry.</p>
<p>The motion, debated at a Council meeting yesterday (Thursday), was raised by Scottish Green Party councillor Martha Wardrop.</p>
<p>In a one-sided debate, she called for the Council to support ongoing campaigns for the release of Vanunu from detention, thus allowing him to travel to Scotland, where he is Rector of Glasgow </p>
<p>University.</p>
<p>She further called for the Council to work closely with cross-party organisations campaigning for his release and to recognise his role as Rector.</p>
<p>Cllr Wardrop stated that she had been asked to raise the motion by several of her Hillhead constituents.<br />
In seconding the motion, Labour councillor Jim Mackechnie said: &#8220;Mordechai Vanunu is being shamefully persecuted and prevented from taking up his position as Glasgow University Rector. If </p>
<p>you want to find weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East, you need look no further than Israel.<br />
&#8220;Vanunu&#8217;s human rights are being constantly violated, but he has remained steadfast and resilient. His supporters include the majority of the Scottish Cabinet, the immediate past Moderator </p>
<p>of the Church of Scotland and Amnesty International.&#8221;</p>
<p>Speaking in favour of the motion, Liberal Democrat councillor Dr Christopher Mason stated: &#8220;There is a terrible irony and cruelty about what Israel has done to Vanunu.</p>
<p>&#8220;The irony is that the Israelis took steps themselves to draw Her Majesty&#8217;s Government&#8217;s attention to the fact that they had nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>&#8220;After all, how can having nuclear weapons be a deterrent if people don&#8217;t know you have them? The world was a very different world in 1972 and perhaps Israel felt threatened.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dr Mason likened Israel&#8217;s actions in not allowing Vanunu to speak to foreigners to that of countries such as North Korea, Burma and China.</p>
<p>He called upon the Council to write to the President of Israel and urge him to release Vanunu, as continuing to hold him further damaged Israel&#8217;s reputation.</p>
<p>At no stage in the brief debate, did any of the councillors speak out in favour of Israel or present a more balanced case.</p>
<p>There was no mention of the fact that Vanunu was imprisoned for breaking Israel&#8217;s Secrets Act rather than acting in the interests of peace.</p>
<p>The fact that he spent 11 years in solitary confinement was spoken about, without stating that it was done for his own protection and that his prison conditions were extremely benign.</p>
<p>Cllr Alex Glass raised an amendment proposing that no action be taken because that would allow everyone the chance to have their say on the motion.</p>
<p>Baillie Cathy McMaster, in seconding the amendment, contended that the wording of the motion would do nothing to enhance the course of peace.</p>
<p>After Cllr Wardrop&#8217;s summary, in which she said that the motion sought to promote peace and understanding with Israel, the vote was taken and the motion carried, with 39 votes for, 23 </p>
<p>against and four abstentions.</p>
<p>The Jewish Telegraph understands from a Labour Party source, that both the leader of the Labour group, Cllr Steven Purcell, who left another meeting to be present, and the Lord Provost, Cllr </p>
<p>Robert Winter voted against the motion, along with 20 other Labour councillors and that although the Council is now committed to take action it is unlikely that it will be driven by the Council </p>
<p>leaders.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jewishtelegraph.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewishtelegraph.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14941</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you now claiming, Jaime, that your bold faced lie about Vanunu was a "joke." A pretty lame joke I'd say. And a lethal one.  Next you'll be claiming that Vanunu was on the island of Tarawa in 1943!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you now claiming, Jaime, that your bold faced lie about Vanunu was a &#8220;joke.&#8221; A pretty lame joke I&#8217;d say. And a lethal one.  Next you&#8217;ll be claiming that Vanunu was on the island of Tarawa in 1943!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14931</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's right, Jaime, they are two different issues. Why haven't you responded to Eileen. As she has demonstrated, you told a bold-faced lie about Vanunu. He was never a pilot and he was only 13 years old when the USS Liberty was bombed by Israeli pilots. Why would you go out of your way to lie about him? Shame on you!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, Jaime, they are two different issues. Why haven&#8217;t you responded to Eileen. As she has demonstrated, you told a bold-faced lie about Vanunu. He was never a pilot and he was only 13 years old when the USS Liberty was bombed by Israeli pilots. Why would you go out of your way to lie about him? Shame on you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/vanunu-a-man-without-a-country-has-a-local-and-global-community/#comment-14914</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 different issues, Eileen.</description>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest Jamie,

The misinformation you were being called on, on this thread was your comment:

 "Little known fact, but Vanunu was one of the Israeli pilots who shot up the USS Liberty."

Vanunu was never a pilot and only 13 in 1967.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest Jamie,</p>
<p>The misinformation you were being called on, on this thread was your comment:</p>
<p> &#8220;Little known fact, but Vanunu was one of the Israeli pilots who shot up the USS Liberty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Vanunu was never a pilot and only 13 in 1967.</p>
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