Comments on: The Reality of Migration: A View from El Salvador http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:12:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Eric Walker http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15166 Eric Walker Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:12:49 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15166 I think they are starting to see devastating impacts on their communities. The gangs in the cities are the big problem in Salvador now, its just as violent as it used to be, and as Joe outlined crime is the highest in Central America. I think they are starting to see devastating impacts on their communities. The gangs in the cities are the big problem in Salvador now, its just as violent as it used to be, and as Joe outlined crime is the highest in Central America.

]]> By: Carlitos Buenischke http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15136 Carlitos Buenischke Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:16:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15136 Thank you Joe for this update and your work with CIS. I've seen figures of 700 Salvadorans leaving each day and now your figure, or rather, the UN's, of over 1000. Do we have a good number as to how many are being sent back/turned back/come back to El Salvador? How can a country like El Salvador continue to lose hundreds of mostly youthful members each day and not soon see some devastating impacts in their communities? Thank you Joe for this update and your work with CIS. I’ve seen figures of 700 Salvadorans leaving each day and now your figure, or rather, the UN’s, of over 1000. Do we have a good number as to how many are being sent back/turned back/come back to El Salvador? How can a country like El Salvador continue to lose hundreds of mostly youthful members each day and not soon see some devastating impacts in their communities?

]]> By: Eric Walker http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15112 Eric Walker Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:12:13 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15112 One would think that after aiding in their civil war to kill 70,000 people and trying to abolish communism, the US would have a little more sympathy for Salvadoraneans. Its just ironic that we helped their Army send out Regan backed death squads and kill peasants or people that mattered, now we are offering them opportunity, and screwing their country over again. It is a complex issue and one that needs a lot of attention. What would you do if you were in there shoes? I mean really, wouldnt you go where the moneys at, get yours and for your family. What must it be like, what must it take, to flee your home and comfort- to go to a place where angry people dont want you, to not understand a language, risk being arrested, not see your family. If you are a temporary worker working here in the US, you have no visitation rights to go back to your country, if you leave you cant necessarily come back to the US. The messed up part is that Temporary Workers" arent residents or citizens, they cant vote. Yet they pay taxes just like everybody else. The other issue that is rarely heard in the immigration debate is political asylum cases. People from all over the world come to the US as political refugees, to seek asylum from civil war in their home country. Many of the people are former engineers, professors, doctors. I feel as someone living in the US, and even in LA, that I dont here more about these people, because they exist and there are a lot of them, and it is so often overshadowed by Mexico and job issues. If you had you and/or your families lives threatened you would flee too, and what better than the US. Only problem is, we don't do what we say. Everybody is not created equal here and we don't practice what we think we represent. Our government is not a voice for the people living and working in these United States. We just aren't there on so many issues, it's sad. One would think that after aiding in their civil war to kill 70,000 people and trying to abolish communism, the US would have a little more sympathy for Salvadoraneans. Its just ironic that we helped their Army send out Regan backed death squads and kill peasants or people that mattered, now we are offering them opportunity, and screwing their country over again. It is a complex issue and one that needs a lot of attention.

What would you do if you were in there shoes? I mean really, wouldnt you go where the moneys at, get yours and for your family. What must it be like, what must it take, to flee your home and comfort- to go to a place where angry people dont want you, to not understand a language, risk being arrested, not see your family.

If you are a temporary worker working here in the US, you have no visitation rights to go back to your country, if you leave you cant necessarily come back to the US. The messed up part is that Temporary Workers” arent residents or citizens, they cant vote. Yet they pay taxes just like everybody else.

The other issue that is rarely heard in the immigration debate is political asylum cases. People from all over the world come to the US as political refugees, to seek asylum from civil war in their home country. Many of the people are former engineers, professors, doctors. I feel as someone living in the US, and even in LA, that I dont here more about these people, because they exist and there are a lot of them, and it is so often overshadowed by Mexico and job issues. If you had you and/or your families lives threatened you would flee too, and what better than the US. Only problem is, we don’t do what we say. Everybody is not created equal here and we don’t practice what we think we represent. Our government is not a voice for the people living and working in these United States. We just aren’t there on so many issues, it’s sad.

]]> By: No Puedo http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15108 No Puedo Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:37:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15108 The US doesn't allow cross migration because those in the poor countries are meant to be used as cheap labor. Latinos are in the US "back yard" ... you know where people keep their dogs. Corporations don't place business in other countries to raise the standards of living there. The business is there to exploit resources from governments with no standards and send those riches back to corporate owners countries to keep those standards of living high. Their objective is to make money at lower cost. No, the corporations will not pay a living wage, if they were going to do that they would have remained in the US or Europe. So, its past time for Latin Americans to stand up and take destiny into their own hands or else stay in the "back yard". The US doesn’t allow cross migration because those in the poor countries are meant to be used as cheap labor. Latinos are in the US “back yard” … you know where people keep their dogs. Corporations don’t place business in other countries to raise the standards of living there. The business is there to exploit resources from governments with no standards and send those riches back to corporate owners countries to keep those standards of living high. Their objective is to make money at lower cost. No, the corporations will not pay a living wage, if they were going to do that they would have remained in the US or Europe.

So, its past time for Latin Americans to stand up and take destiny into their own hands or else stay in the “back yard”.

]]> By: Changeseeker http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15104 Changeseeker Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:22:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15104 Beautifully, beautifully written. I've linked to this at <a href="http://www.citizenorange.com/orange/2008/02/its-a-good-thing-somebody-has.html" rel="nofollow">Citizen Orange</a>. Beautifully, beautifully written. I’ve linked to this at Citizen Orange.

]]> By: Dark Angel Stereo http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15082 Dark Angel Stereo Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:54:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15082 I was born in El Salvador. All this saddens me a great deal. I still have fam there. is a great country with allot of undiscover magical places to tourist. I wish I new it more I am a Houston artist. Mr. Pharaoh free my people. I was born in El Salvador.

All this saddens me a great deal.

I still have fam there.
is a great country with allot of undiscover magical places to tourist.

I wish I new it more

I am a Houston artist.

Mr. Pharaoh free my people.

]]> By: ElBob http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15079 ElBob Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:22:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15079 The best solution for the future is to remember the past. Illuminate socialism in the US and the matter or illegal immigration will work itself out. If there were no socialist programs then there will be no reason for many to come. Those who come to work and are willing to contribute will be welcomed and will find gainful employment. This was the policy that worked for over a hundred years and still would if enacted. We can’t improve the situation until the problem is identified. The problem is socialism. When it did not exist in the US there were no immigration problems (healthcare, education, or otherwise). America has approved and enacted at least 6 of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto, and we’ve only begun to see the fallout. Immigration is going to look like child’s play compared to the problems that are on the horizon. The closer we move toward socialism (globalism) the further we get from the solution. The best solution for the future is to remember the past. Illuminate socialism in the US and the matter or illegal immigration will work itself out. If there were no socialist programs then there will be no reason for many to come. Those who come to work and are willing to contribute will be welcomed and will find gainful employment. This was the policy that worked for over a hundred years and still would if enacted. We can’t improve the situation until the problem is identified. The problem is socialism. When it did not exist in the US there were no immigration problems (healthcare, education, or otherwise). America has approved and enacted at least 6 of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto, and we’ve only begun to see the fallout. Immigration is going to look like child’s play compared to the problems that are on the horizon. The closer we move toward socialism (globalism) the further we get from the solution.

]]> By: Mike Johnson http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15078 Mike Johnson Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:49:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15078 12 million Hispanics and Indigenous in USA with guns, learned in 2nd grade their lands were stolen by the military industrial complex time for Revolution! Viva El Frente but best is to create jobs in El Salvador who wants to learn to fish to fill up your boat? 12 million Hispanics and Indigenous in USA with guns, learned in 2nd grade their lands were stolen by the military industrial complex
time for Revolution!
Viva El Frente
but best is to create jobs in El Salvador
who wants to learn to fish to fill up your boat?

]]> By: cuchicho http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15061 cuchicho Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:58:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15061 perfecto perfecto

]]> By: Jerry D. Rose http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15059 Jerry D. Rose Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:16:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15059 Mr. DeRaymond is exactly right; a solution to the "crisis" begins with the removal to barriers of movement of workers in the international labor market. CAFTA has "opened" countries like El Salvador for the free movement of goods produced by multi-nationals but left up the barriers to labor mobility. If we truly believe in the efficacy of the market place, why do we not allow workers to move to where there are jobs and move to other places as labor requirements change? There is no more sense to an immigration wall between Mexico and the U.S. than there would be to one between Florida and Georgia. Of course the other thing that has to be done is what the author is doing in his own way and to which CAFTA is profoundly opposed: improving the living and working conditions of central American countries so that international migrations for purposes of making a living will not be necessary. These are the two components, as I see them, of a rational as opposed to a totally insane immigration policy. Mr. DeRaymond is exactly right; a solution to the “crisis” begins with the removal to barriers of movement of workers in the international labor market. CAFTA has “opened” countries like El Salvador for the free movement of goods produced by multi-nationals but left up the barriers to labor mobility. If we truly believe in the efficacy of the market place, why do we not allow workers to move to where there are jobs and move to other places as labor requirements change? There is no more sense to an immigration wall between Mexico and the U.S. than there would be to one between Florida and Georgia. Of course the other thing that has to be done is what the author is doing in his own way and to which CAFTA is profoundly opposed: improving the living and working conditions of central American countries so that international migrations for purposes of making a living will not be necessary. These are the two components, as I see them, of a rational as opposed to a totally insane immigration policy.

]]> By: Hombe Viejo http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15048 Hombe Viejo Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:14:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-reality-of-migration-a-view-from-el-salvador/#comment-15048 Claro, exactamente, pero... Please realize DeRaymond estimado, that the United States cannot accept the influx of all peoples who want to come! Either way there will be losses and bloodshed eventually. It is time the people in Central American countries fight even harder to control their own destiny. We in the United States cannot accept them here. Lo siento! Claro, exactamente, pero…
Please realize DeRaymond estimado, that the United States cannot accept the influx of all peoples who want to come! Either way there will be losses and bloodshed eventually.
It is time the people in Central American countries fight even harder to control their own destiny. We in the United States cannot accept them here. Lo siento!

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