Comments on: Shellshock and Redemption http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:55:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: E. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15423 E. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:26:42 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15423 Thanks, Ron! Thanks, Ron!

]]> By: ron http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15421 ron Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:13:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15421 here's the publisher and ISBNs # Publisher: Atwood Publishing; First edition (October 26, 2006) # Language: English # ISBN-10: 1891859641 # ISBN-13: 978-1891859649 here’s the publisher and ISBNs

# Publisher: Atwood Publishing; First edition (October 26, 2006)
# Language: English
# ISBN-10: 1891859641
# ISBN-13: 978-1891859649

]]> By: E. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15406 E. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:05:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15406 I wish Dissident Voice would include bibliographic info with its reviews. I'm trying to find this Long Shadows book and it's tough to find on Amazon with just the title. I wish Dissident Voice would include bibliographic info with its reviews. I’m trying to find this Long Shadows book and it’s tough to find on Amazon with just the title.

]]> By: ron http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15357 ron Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:07:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15357 I honestly believe we agree on more than we disagree. I prefer to use that as a means to work together than use our differences to argue. I honestly believe we agree on more than we disagree. I prefer to use that as a means to work together than use our differences to argue.

]]> By: Shabnam http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15346 Shabnam Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:28:04 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15346 Ron: Who did excuse elites? I wrote they play different part usually as the designer of the war, which is pretty safe, and they collect the most benefits from it, and what are we doing in this website? To alarm ignorant people of all sides including the ignorant Iranian “opposition” and ignorant constructed “minorities” in the targeted countries such as Iraq, Iran, Sudan, former Yugoslavia, who are to be used by imperialist and Zionist for “greater Israel” and expansion of the imperial and colonial power through the game of “divide and rule” around the world, and ignorant Americans who support the war actively or passively. We are asking them not to join these destructive forces and do not share your language skills or your knowledge which might have any values to these criminals. We warn them don’t get involve with the intelligent agencies of our time where function “openly” through different organizations and think tanks such as The National endowment for Democracy, Freedom House, VOA, the Institute for Near East Policy. We say don’t fight the war of Zionist/imperialist and their puppets and do not support their phony slogan such as “democracy” , “war on terror” or “no blood for oil.” Haven’t we? Ron:

Who did excuse elites? I wrote they play different part usually as the designer of the war, which is pretty safe, and they collect the most benefits from it, and what are we doing in this website? To alarm ignorant people of all sides including the ignorant Iranian “opposition” and ignorant constructed “minorities” in the targeted countries such as Iraq, Iran, Sudan, former Yugoslavia, who are to be used by imperialist and Zionist for “greater Israel” and expansion of the imperial and colonial power through the game of “divide and rule” around the world, and ignorant Americans who support the war actively or passively. We are asking them not to join these destructive forces and do not share your language skills or your knowledge which might have any values to these criminals. We warn them don’t get involve with the intelligent agencies of our time
where function “openly” through different organizations and think tanks such as The National endowment for Democracy, Freedom House, VOA, the Institute for Near East Policy. We say don’t fight the war of Zionist/imperialist and their puppets and do not support their phony slogan such as “democracy” , “war on terror” or “no blood for oil.” Haven’t we?

]]> By: ron http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15344 ron Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:02:54 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15344 Shabnam, There's a phrase--you can't see the forest for the trees--which applies to your rant. Soldiers are wrong for giving up their free will, but that does not excuse those that sent them. Our job is to convince people they should not join the ranks of mercenaries. Treating them as if they are less than human when they are all too sadly quite human is a strategy guaranteed to fail. Shabnam,
There’s a phrase–you can’t see the forest for the trees–which applies to your rant. Soldiers are wrong for giving up their free will, but that does not excuse those that sent them. Our job is to convince people they should not join the ranks of mercenaries. Treating them as if they are less than human when they are all too sadly quite human is a strategy guaranteed to fail.

]]> By: ron http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15343 ron Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:02:39 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15343 Shabnam, There's a phrase--you can't see the forest for the trees--which applies to your rant. Soldiers are wrong for giving up their free will, but that does not excuse those that sent them. Our job is to convince people they should not join the ranks of mercenaries. Treating them as if they are less than human when they are all too sadly quite human is a strategu guaranteed to fail. Shabnam,
There’s a phrase–you can’t see the forest for the trees–which applies to your rant. Soldiers are wrong for giving up their free will, but that does not excuse those that sent them. Our job is to convince people they should not join the ranks of mercenaries. Treating them as if they are less than human when they are all too sadly quite human is a strategu guaranteed to fail.

]]> By: Shabnam http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15337 Shabnam Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:41:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15337 Why do people should support PDST for those mercenaries whom you call “kids with few options to make a living are being recruited to kill for you so that you can drive your car and feel safe?” They should let “elites” who are the real beneficiaries from these crimes send their children to the front, and then we will see how difficult the task is going to be. The rich have different parts to play and they are playing them to kill Iraqi people and rob their wealth. Majorities of the population of the “democratic west” are involved in funding and supporting these crimes against humanity because THEY BENEFIT FROM IT. These mercenaries from the working class were not attacked to justify their crimes against the population of the region and especially Iraqi people. These killers went to Iraq to collect benefits and practice their vicious “cultural values” that have learnt by playing war games on their fuc…. computers to experience their REAL gratification and enjoyment in place of videos and “reality TV Shows” to get out of their boredom in their violent societies and treat the indigenous population of other countries with the same medicine and treatment that their father and grandfather and great grandfather with cooperation of few locals who became their agents did to indigenous population of Americas and Palestine and beyond before them. These killers whom you call soldiers deserve nothing but punishment since they have voluntarily killed, so far, more than a MILLION people in Iraq alone, have raped many women and men with enjoyment, and they have carried out the crimes of the imperialism and Zionism to kill people, to destroy Iraq and to rob their museum and historical remains to eliminate their contribution to civilization and mankind. Are these criminal acts not similar to acts of those crazy before them who have done similar things to indigenous population of Americas in order to take over and expand their influence? Neither these mercenaries nor their “superior” must be supported. The punishment for these ignorant and terrorists and rapists is to be send to school and force them to learn the history of Zionism and Imperialism and to learn how did they become ” victorious” and what does it mean when we say American “exceptionalism.” Why is that you and people like you, Noam Chomsky, call those Palestinians whom sacrifice their lives to LIBERATE their land and themselves from OCCUPATION by the European setters, Zionists, who kill and destroy the indigenous population of Palestine every day and they have been forced out of their land and properties into terrible refugee camps worse than the German fascists with the support of colonial and imperial West TERRORIST but you and people like Chomsky hesitate to call these real terrorists what they really are? http://www.ebratha.blogfa.com/post-2.aspx Why do people should support PDST for those mercenaries whom you call “kids with few options to make a living are being recruited to kill for you so that you can drive your car and feel safe?” They should let “elites” who are the real beneficiaries from these crimes send their children to the front, and then we will see how difficult the task is going to be. The rich have different parts to play and they are playing them to kill Iraqi people and rob their wealth. Majorities of the population of the “democratic west” are involved in funding and supporting these crimes against humanity because THEY BENEFIT FROM IT.
These mercenaries from the working class were not attacked to justify their crimes against the population of the region and especially Iraqi people. These killers went to Iraq to collect benefits and practice their vicious “cultural values” that have learnt by playing war games on their fuc…. computers to experience their REAL gratification and enjoyment in place of videos and “reality TV Shows” to get out of their boredom in their violent societies and treat the indigenous population of other countries with the same medicine and treatment that their father and grandfather and great grandfather with cooperation of few locals who became their agents did to indigenous population of Americas and Palestine and beyond before them. These killers whom you call soldiers deserve nothing but punishment since they have voluntarily killed, so far, more than a MILLION people in Iraq alone, have raped many women and men with enjoyment, and they have carried out the crimes of the imperialism and Zionism to kill people, to destroy Iraq and to rob their museum and historical remains to eliminate their contribution to civilization and mankind. Are these criminal acts not similar to acts of those crazy before them who have done similar things to indigenous population of Americas in order to take over and expand their influence? Neither these mercenaries nor their “superior” must be supported. The punishment for these ignorant and terrorists and rapists is to be send to school and force them to learn the history of Zionism and Imperialism and to learn how did they become ” victorious” and what does it mean when we say American “exceptionalism.”
Why is that you and people like you, Noam Chomsky, call those Palestinians whom sacrifice their lives to LIBERATE their land and themselves from OCCUPATION by the European setters, Zionists, who kill and destroy the indigenous population of Palestine every day and they have been forced out of their land and properties into terrible refugee camps worse than the German fascists with the support of colonial and imperial West TERRORIST but you and people like Chomsky hesitate to call these real terrorists what they really are?

http://www.ebratha.blogfa.com/post-2.aspx

]]> By: ron http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15260 ron Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:20:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15260 What I am trying to say is this: PTSD is a serious ailment with many folks. Soldiers suffer from it more than most of the rest of the US. Whether you like it or not, they deserve health care. The answer you provide is false. The real answer is to prevent wars from happening in the first place. That is our job! Our job isn't to blame the soldier. As for that all-volunteer line. That assumption is based on a misunderstanding of class in the US. Recruiters prey on the poor and wroking class youth. Sure, they want a few kids from fancy prep schools and colleges for their officer corps, but the overwhelming focus of their effort is in working class communities. In other words, kids with few options to make a living are being recruited to kill for you so that you can drive your car and feel safe. There's a big difference between losing one's job and losing one's limbs or mental capabilities. Take a look at the DSM-V before you equate PTSD with the stress caused by unemployment. As for shedding tears for the victims of the US military--advocating for vet treatment does not preclude such an act. However, I don't think they want our tears--they just want our military out of their countries. As for the books---one is a study of shellschock and the other is about soldiers taking the lessons of war and using them to fight against wars. The contempt you exhibit for those folks who join the military leads me to think that you could do well by reading the latter. What I am trying to say is this:
PTSD is a serious ailment with many folks. Soldiers suffer from it more than most of the rest of the US. Whether you like it or not, they deserve health care. The answer you provide is false. The real answer is to prevent wars from happening in the first place. That is our job! Our job isn’t to blame the soldier.
As for that all-volunteer line. That assumption is based on a misunderstanding of class in the US. Recruiters prey on the poor and wroking class youth. Sure, they want a few kids from fancy prep schools and colleges for their officer corps, but the overwhelming focus of their effort is in working class communities. In other words, kids with few options to make a living are being recruited to kill for you so that you can drive your car and feel safe.
There’s a big difference between losing one’s job and losing one’s limbs or mental capabilities. Take a look at the DSM-V before you equate PTSD with the stress caused by unemployment.
As for shedding tears for the victims of the US military–advocating for vet treatment does not preclude such an act. However, I don’t think they want our tears–they just want our military out of their countries.

As for the books—one is a study of shellschock and the other is about soldiers taking the lessons of war and using them to fight against wars.
The contempt you exhibit for those folks who join the military leads me to think that you could do well by reading the latter.

]]> By: Mike McNiven http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15254 Mike McNiven Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:33:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15254 Mr.Jacob, US armed forces is a VOLUNTARY force with billions of tax payers $$ for medical care! Why should the anti-imperialist forces spend their limited resources on this subject? Millions of Americans are suffering from the PTSD of the US imperialist system in the form of unemplyment, lack of medical care, lack of housing, lack of retirement benefits ,...without any support! What are you trying to say when the answer is : don't join in the first place! Mr.Jacob,
US armed forces is a VOLUNTARY force with billions of tax payers $$ for medical care! Why should the anti-imperialist forces spend their limited resources on this subject? Millions of Americans are suffering from the PTSD of the US imperialist system in the form of unemplyment, lack of medical care, lack of housing, lack of retirement benefits ,…without any support! What are you trying to say when the answer is : don’t join in the first place!

]]> By: ron http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15216 ron Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:38:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15216 Huh? Huh?

]]> By: Arch Stanton http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15215 Arch Stanton Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:26:35 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/shellshock-and-redemption/#comment-15215 Thanks, but I don't think I need you to tell me what I'm capable of. What about the hundreds of thousands (probably over a million) slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan ? Save some of your tears for them. Thanks, but I don’t think I need you to tell me what I’m capable of. What about the hundreds of thousands (probably over a million) slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan ? Save some of your tears for them.

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