Deadbeat and what pray tell are you going to do to facilitate this dialog now that Obama has opened up the space?

Engage the throngs who are willing to vote for Obama as the only alternative. This is more than the left has done to embrace Nader’s run. Remember Max it was the Left that disengaged the anti-war movement primarily because the Left failed to confront Zionism. Also The Left abandoned Nader in 2004 leaving him in a weaker position for 2008.

The Left can talk to itself or it can engage the people from where they are.

http://www.counterpunch.org/fiyouzat02192008.html

Makes me wonder how much else of Cuban history and Latin American history he actually knows.

Barrack Obama is the “progressive” face of fascism. His foreign policy advisors include Samantha Power, one of the preeminent liars of the contemporary era, who has denied some genocides and inflated others, and won a Pulitzer for it. For example, Power has completely propagandized the public with all the upside-down fascist nonsense about Paul Kagame being a leader in Rwanda, instead of a mass murderer. Spanish courts on January 23 issued International Arrest warrants for 40 top former Rwandan Patriotic Front military leaders, now all with the Akazu around Kagame, who was himself named for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in both Rwanda and DR Congo from 1990 to 2004. (The legal case does not consider the ongoing war crimes and genocides in DRC and Rwanda from 2004 to today).

Other members who are advising the Obama fascist party are former Clinton administration officials Anthony Lake and Susan Rice, both responsible at the highest level for war crimes during the Clinton era — Sudan, Yugoslavia (another area where Sammy Power massively perpetuates disinformation serving the US permanent warfare agenda), and Congo (for the short list).

Obama is heavily funded by some of the world’s greatest and most secretive criminals, and teh biggest enemies of people of color, especially Maurice Tempelsman.

But worse than all this is the idea that people spend even 10 minutes (as I have) wasting their energies in teh US elections arena. The entire exercise is meant t o distract people from teh realitie sof the contiguous warfare programs and emasculation of civil liberties and expansion of the warfare-prisons-nuclear-diamonds-financial complex. Until people wake up and realize that they are drawn into this exercise as a means to divert and distract then nothing will change for the positive.

General Alexaander Haig’s point is not appreciated for its educational and agitation potential: “They can (substitute word of choice: march, protest, vote) all they want, as long as they pay their taxes. Hereion lies the answer, but Americans — even the most progressive amongst us — enjoy too many of teh spoils to take any serious action that means they have to give up anything at all of any substance, por make any kind of true sacrifioce. Wilhelm reich’s treatise on THe MASS PSYCHOLOGY OF FASCISM thus rings more true then ever.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/holding-barack-obama-accountable/

In many ways, that’s what hip-hop shares in common with a lot of musical movements: the desire to break free of repression in the absence of a real alternative. So when someone like Obama comes along with rhetoric that is genuinely different from politics as usual, I don’t blame folks for seizing onto it. I’m actually excited about being able to talk to some of these people about what change from the bottom up can look like.

So I’m a little wary of my own tendency to completely dismiss the Obama phenomenon, as it may well be that this generation has also had enough, and may well be capable of putting Mr. Obama’s feet to the fire should he take office, may well be capable of pushing him much further than he wants to go. Given the tenor of his recent comments, he may already be feeling some of that. But we’ll see, after all, it’s only February, and if 40 years of watching national boojwah campaigns in the United States has taught me anything, it’s that it all looks different come September and the post-convention hoopla.

At any rate, thank you for this piece, which was sober, and fair, and very helpful. —M. Hureaux, Seattle

I agree with Mr. Billet. Obama’s campaign has opened up space to engage disaffected and young voters so that they make demands and hold Obama accountable. Obama campaign has opened up a crack (albeit a hairline crack) that leftist can take advantage of by engaging people who are energized and deeply interested in politics and social change.

Nowhere in the article do I call for a vote for Obama, just tried to explain why there’s a hell of a lot of young people amped abou his campaign. I think a lot of them are kids really excited about social change. The left needs to engage with these people so that Obama’s (or whoever’s) feet can be held to the fire after November.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/holding-barack-obama-accountable/#comment-14645