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		<title>By: Cindy Sheehan on abuse of female soldiers in the US military &#171; You&#8217;re in Your World Now</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13165</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Sheehan on abuse of female soldiers in the US military &#171; You&#8217;re in Your World Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13128</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marcelle Cendrars</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13100</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcelle Cendrars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I third the (com)motion! -- Marcelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I third the (com)motion! &#8212; Marcelle</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13097</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol Lloyd,

I see that earlier you thought I was Marcelle, now I see you think I was addressing my latest to you.  Could you imagine the three of us heading up a club for change?

Not only would we be spinning in circles, we'd be confusing and unable to communicate...I'd bet the fliers would be entertaining</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol Lloyd,</p>
<p>I see that earlier you thought I was Marcelle, now I see you think I was addressing my latest to you.  Could you imagine the three of us heading up a club for change?</p>
<p>Not only would we be spinning in circles, we&#8217;d be confusing and unable to communicate&#8230;I&#8217;d bet the fliers would be entertaining</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13081</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Hue.  But as a rule, I limit irony to stories about myself and history.   When I try to write truth about current politics, I try to avoid ambiguity and, hence, irony.

Creative?  Yes, always, if possible.  "How could I fail to speak with difficulty?  I have new things to say."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Hue.  But as a rule, I limit irony to stories about myself and history.   When I try to write truth about current politics, I try to avoid ambiguity and, hence, irony.</p>
<p>Creative?  Yes, always, if possible.  &#8220;How could I fail to speak with difficulty?  I have new things to say.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13075</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very creative...and again more irony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very creative&#8230;and again more irony</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13057</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Marcelle. And the longer the "Cindy campaign” goes on ignoring my eminently appropriate suggestions for fixing their screwy software, the more obvious it is that "she isn't taking an interest in any of this blah blah." 

Talk to you later at your email bcendra@yahoo.com 

Lloyd Rowsey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Marcelle. And the longer the &#8220;Cindy campaign” goes on ignoring my eminently appropriate suggestions for fixing their screwy software, the more obvious it is that &#8220;she isn&#8217;t taking an interest in any of this blah blah.&#8221; </p>
<p>Talk to you later at your email <a href="mailto:&#x62;&#x63;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x64;&#x72;&#x61;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;om">&#x62;&#x63;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x64;&#x72;&#x61;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;om</a> </p>
<p>Lloyd Rowsey</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13049</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, deadbeat, I think lefties do a haell of a lot better job with "equality, fairness, and justice for all" -- in principle and in practice -- than anyone else.  However, I appreciate this opportunity to improve my analogy about the left's internal wars.  I should have written that those wars are like: "Sure the emperor has no clothes, but the important thing is that he's always had no clothes."  

Also I appreciate the chance to apologize to  Hue Longer, whose post beginning simply "Marcelle" I inadvertently attributed to Marcelle Cendrars.  That the substance of the message was consonant with having been written by Marcelle was a compliment in my mind, Hue.  

I was having my connects and disconnects, flu-related, on the 12th, but I'm much better now, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, deadbeat, I think lefties do a haell of a lot better job with &#8220;equality, fairness, and justice for all&#8221; &#8212; in principle and in practice &#8212; than anyone else.  However, I appreciate this opportunity to improve my analogy about the left&#8217;s internal wars.  I should have written that those wars are like: &#8220;Sure the emperor has no clothes, but the important thing is that he&#8217;s always had no clothes.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Also I appreciate the chance to apologize to  Hue Longer, whose post beginning simply &#8220;Marcelle&#8221; I inadvertently attributed to Marcelle Cendrars.  That the substance of the message was consonant with having been written by Marcelle was a compliment in my mind, Hue.  </p>
<p>I was having my connects and disconnects, flu-related, on the 12th, but I&#8217;m much better now, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcelle Cendrars</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13044</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcelle Cendrars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Different definition of "irony," for sure. Nothing written here is intended for Cindy's eyes...as one can easily see that she isn't taking an interest in any of this blah blah. Which says volumes...unless you buy the notion that she's more busy than we are. Making noise? The noise is White Noise that fades into The Practical Background. The Usual unnoticed noise. Can be other than a "good thing" if it contributes to keeping people from being more creative...which it does. Only so many heartbeats to go around, to give. 

Cryptic plan? Let's have you delineate why you use that word here. For that AND an explanation of why you use "delusional"...might be in order. 

Here or at bcendra@yahoo.com. I'm seeing less and less reason to particpate in the forum here...which doesn't seem to be hooked into any kind of meaningful action. It's hard enough to engage friends and acquaintances...to do something...when in person.

Or doesn't that point resonate with anyone out there?

Best, Marcelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different definition of &#8220;irony,&#8221; for sure. Nothing written here is intended for Cindy&#8217;s eyes&#8230;as one can easily see that she isn&#8217;t taking an interest in any of this blah blah. Which says volumes&#8230;unless you buy the notion that she&#8217;s more busy than we are. Making noise? The noise is White Noise that fades into The Practical Background. The Usual unnoticed noise. Can be other than a &#8220;good thing&#8221; if it contributes to keeping people from being more creative&#8230;which it does. Only so many heartbeats to go around, to give. </p>
<p>Cryptic plan? Let&#8217;s have you delineate why you use that word here. For that AND an explanation of why you use &#8220;delusional&#8221;&#8230;might be in order. </p>
<p>Here or at <a href="mailto:&#x62;&#x63;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x64;&#x72;&#x61;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;om">&#x62;&#x63;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x64;&#x72;&#x61;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;om</a>. I&#8217;m seeing less and less reason to particpate in the forum here&#8230;which doesn&#8217;t seem to be hooked into any kind of meaningful action. It&#8217;s hard enough to engage friends and acquaintances&#8230;to do something&#8230;when in person.</p>
<p>Or doesn&#8217;t that point resonate with anyone out there?</p>
<p>Best, Marcelle</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13038</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Irony?..."People seem to have a “disconnect” when it comes to criticism being leveled at well-intentioned efforts which go nowhere".

I didn't suggest that sending your more reasoned plan to Nancy would do anything...just pointing out that it wouldn't do anything to send it to a more reasonable Cindy.  Me being glad for that doesn't change anything.  I do feel that Cindy making noise in the normally  futile realm of the ballot box can only be a good thing (a different irony), much more so than any cryptic plan to convince her to stop her already announced race.

No intention on my part to be mean, and in fact you sound sincere.  I wouldn't criticize with no point anyone who tried--no matter how delusional their efforts seemed to me...hence MY criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Irony?&#8230;&#8221;People seem to have a “disconnect” when it comes to criticism being leveled at well-intentioned efforts which go nowhere&#8221;.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t suggest that sending your more reasoned plan to Nancy would do anything&#8230;just pointing out that it wouldn&#8217;t do anything to send it to a more reasonable Cindy.  Me being glad for that doesn&#8217;t change anything.  I do feel that Cindy making noise in the normally  futile realm of the ballot box can only be a good thing (a different irony), much more so than any cryptic plan to convince her to stop her already announced race.</p>
<p>No intention on my part to be mean, and in fact you sound sincere.  I wouldn&#8217;t criticize with no point anyone who tried&#8211;no matter how delusional their efforts seemed to me&#8230;hence MY criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcelle Cendrars</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13027</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcelle Cendrars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally miss the " irony." Elaborate/clarify, please. Best, Marcelle P.S. Do I detect a strain of mean-spiritedness, though?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally miss the &#8221; irony.&#8221; Elaborate/clarify, please. Best, Marcelle P.S. Do I detect a strain of mean-spiritedness, though?</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13022</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone misses irony because they love their own words too much to have them grouped with others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone misses irony because they love their own words too much to have them grouped with others?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcelle Cendrars</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-13008</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcelle Cendrars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Castigate" is a bit of a strong word, Lloyd, for what I put down. My words no more "castigate" CS than your pointing out early on that her site was sans a contact email. Flaws draw what they must. Also, for others, any suggestion that directing missives to Pelosi wd be worth the heartbeats is missing something very fundamental. To wit, such does no good. Not even the planting of seeds...which also seems to be attributed entirely too much to traditional electoral efforts. 

There is nothing growing vis-a-vis solidarity at this point. And "the obvious" bad elements don't need more calling on the carpet. There's nothing creative about that approach, and creativity is what's called for now. 

People seem to have a "disconnect" when it comes to criticism being leveled at well-intentioned efforts which go nowhere. The faith in seeds being planted serves the powers that be very well. It makes citizens patient...like manyself-serving  religions do...with regard to mundane issues. 

Signing off now. Let me know directly if I haven't addressed something directed toward me...at bcendra@yahoo.com. Then I can share the exchange with one and all for public consumption.

Blessings,
Marcelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Castigate&#8221; is a bit of a strong word, Lloyd, for what I put down. My words no more &#8220;castigate&#8221; CS than your pointing out early on that her site was sans a contact email. Flaws draw what they must. Also, for others, any suggestion that directing missives to Pelosi wd be worth the heartbeats is missing something very fundamental. To wit, such does no good. Not even the planting of seeds&#8230;which also seems to be attributed entirely too much to traditional electoral efforts. </p>
<p>There is nothing growing vis-a-vis solidarity at this point. And &#8220;the obvious&#8221; bad elements don&#8217;t need more calling on the carpet. There&#8217;s nothing creative about that approach, and creativity is what&#8217;s called for now. </p>
<p>People seem to have a &#8220;disconnect&#8221; when it comes to criticism being leveled at well-intentioned efforts which go nowhere. The faith in seeds being planted serves the powers that be very well. It makes citizens patient&#8230;like manyself-serving  religions do&#8230;with regard to mundane issues. </p>
<p>Signing off now. Let me know directly if I haven&#8217;t addressed something directed toward me&#8230;at <a href="mailto:&#x62;&#x63;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x64;&#x72;&#x61;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;om">&#x62;&#x63;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x64;&#x72;&#x61;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;om</a>. Then I can share the exchange with one and all for public consumption.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Marcelle</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-12995</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US sponsored sexism abroad, US sponsored sexism at home!</description>
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		<title>By: Irish Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-12983</link>
		<dc:creator>Irish Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bl4ckPope:

At least now we know there are no lower limits for comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bl4ckPope:</p>
<p>At least now we know there are no lower limits for comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Bl4ckP0pe</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-12981</link>
		<dc:creator>Bl4ckP0pe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there no lower limit on an author's inability to write in order to get published on DV?

Sheehan is a functional illiterate and congenital political cretin - she needs an edumacation, then a clue and finally, a ghostwriter.

I am not even going to bother critiquing the BS she has spewed out above, as it is beneath parody.

What will her next gimmick be after failing in CA? Probably a funding drive to provide rape-alarms for all "Our Brave Troops"(TM) in Iraq, poor little pigs of war deserve only the best from Gold Star Moms.

Now I must go and heave my lunch up in a bucket I keep handy beside the computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there no lower limit on an author&#8217;s inability to write in order to get published on DV?</p>
<p>Sheehan is a functional illiterate and congenital political cretin - she needs an edumacation, then a clue and finally, a ghostwriter.</p>
<p>I am not even going to bother critiquing the BS she has spewed out above, as it is beneath parody.</p>
<p>What will her next gimmick be after failing in CA? Probably a funding drive to provide rape-alarms for all &#8220;Our Brave Troops&#8221;(TM) in Iraq, poor little pigs of war deserve only the best from Gold Star Moms.</p>
<p>Now I must go and heave my lunch up in a bucket I keep handy beside the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-12974</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Left’s internal wars are like saying: “Sure the emperor has no clothes, but the important thing is that he’s only an emperor in his mind…”&lt;/i&gt;

What are the "internal wars" that you are referring to?  What I see is that the  "left" lacks cohesion and solidarity because it doesn't adhere to principles of equality, fairness, and justice for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Left’s internal wars are like saying: “Sure the emperor has no clothes, but the important thing is that he’s only an emperor in his mind…”</i></p>
<p>What are the &#8220;internal wars&#8221; that you are referring to?  What I see is that the  &#8220;left&#8221; lacks cohesion and solidarity because it doesn&#8217;t adhere to principles of equality, fairness, and justice for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-12968</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great minds think alike, Marcelle.  My "emperor" thought occurred to me  before reading your last post above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great minds think alike, Marcelle.  My &#8220;emperor&#8221; thought occurred to me  before reading your last post above.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-12964</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.acgreens.org/debate

this links to ghe Green Party of Alameda (California), which is sponsoring the debate.  I don't know if it's already happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.acgreens.org/debate" rel="nofollow">http://www.acgreens.org/debate</a></p>
<p>this links to ghe Green Party of Alameda (California), which is sponsoring the debate.  I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s already happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/stains/#comment-12962</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Dan.  But I have to kick the dead horse just once more, because of a good one that occurred to me about two hours ago: The Left's internal wars are like saying: "Sure the emperor has no clothes, but the important thing is that he's only an emperor in his mind..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Dan.  But I have to kick the dead horse just once more, because of a good one that occurred to me about two hours ago: The Left&#8217;s internal wars are like saying: &#8220;Sure the emperor has no clothes, but the important thing is that he&#8217;s only an emperor in his mind&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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