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	<title>Comments on: Jared Diamond and the Consumption Factor</title>
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		<title>By: savyasaachi</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/jared-diamond-and-the-consumption-factor/#comment-26926</link>
		<dc:creator>savyasaachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The planet's population continues to explode: from 1 billion in 1820, to 2 billion in 1930, 3 billion in 1960, 4 billion in 1974, 5 billion in 1988, and 6 billion in 2000, and  6,602,224,175  by July 2007 . 

“The population in developing countries is growing, but since they consume so little, it’s not a burden on the world. The real burden lies in the consumption of the one billion people who live in developed countries, who consume and produce waste at 32 times higher than in developing world. If the entire developing world were to catch up, world consumption would increase eleven-fold….We can solve the ecological crisis when all countries agree to converge on consumption rates considerably below the current highest levels….A real world problem is  that each of the 300 million Americans consumes as much as 32 Kenyans. With ten times the population the United States consumes 320 times more resources than Kenya does” says Jared Diamond in his essay “What’s your consumption factor” .

The fact on the ground is not “if the developing world were to catch up…” but rather the developing world is catching up.  

The race for increasing GDP’s and per capita incomes is now in its very advanced stage. The increase in GDP that defines the productivity of the nation is inversely related to the productive capacity of individuals.  As the GDP increases the mass of unemployment people also increases which is a measure of the decrease in the productive capacity of an individual. 


Jared Diamnod’s question “what is your consumption factor?’ has a deeper dimension in production. The consumption factor is a product of a production paradigm which perpetuates consumerism in order to perpetuate itself. The large majority of individuals and families enjoy the benefits of increased productivity of technology that is they enjoy goods for the production of which have they have contributed no effort. Societies in the past were called affluent when a few enjoyed the goods produced by a large majority, today an increasing goods are produced my machines. These goods get to a large number of consumers who have no contribution to the production process. Thus the economy has ever expanding service sector. The more appropriate question therefor is what is your production factor? 

The core of the consumption factor is not just that people consume, more important is that they have become consumers because their productive capacities are progressively decommissioned. People work in the service sector ever more. There are several people today in different parts of the world who know that the milk comes from machines! When some of them see a cow being milked it is an experience-they have never before seen anything like this. We only receive what we consume; we know not how it and where it is produced, we progress only to be distanced  from productive activities.

This is the core of mechanisation and mass production. 

The neo-liberal economy carries this to an unprecedented scale, it aim is to an absolute decommissioning of human productive capacity replaced by technological productive capacity-the most advanced form of which is artificial intelligence robotics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The planet&#8217;s population continues to explode: from 1 billion in 1820, to 2 billion in 1930, 3 billion in 1960, 4 billion in 1974, 5 billion in 1988, and 6 billion in 2000, and  6,602,224,175  by July 2007 . </p>
<p>“The population in developing countries is growing, but since they consume so little, it’s not a burden on the world. The real burden lies in the consumption of the one billion people who live in developed countries, who consume and produce waste at 32 times higher than in developing world. If the entire developing world were to catch up, world consumption would increase eleven-fold….We can solve the ecological crisis when all countries agree to converge on consumption rates considerably below the current highest levels….A real world problem is  that each of the 300 million Americans consumes as much as 32 Kenyans. With ten times the population the United States consumes 320 times more resources than Kenya does” says Jared Diamond in his essay “What’s your consumption factor” .</p>
<p>The fact on the ground is not “if the developing world were to catch up…” but rather the developing world is catching up.  </p>
<p>The race for increasing GDP’s and per capita incomes is now in its very advanced stage. The increase in GDP that defines the productivity of the nation is inversely related to the productive capacity of individuals.  As the GDP increases the mass of unemployment people also increases which is a measure of the decrease in the productive capacity of an individual. </p>
<p>Jared Diamnod’s question “what is your consumption factor?’ has a deeper dimension in production. The consumption factor is a product of a production paradigm which perpetuates consumerism in order to perpetuate itself. The large majority of individuals and families enjoy the benefits of increased productivity of technology that is they enjoy goods for the production of which have they have contributed no effort. Societies in the past were called affluent when a few enjoyed the goods produced by a large majority, today an increasing goods are produced my machines. These goods get to a large number of consumers who have no contribution to the production process. Thus the economy has ever expanding service sector. The more appropriate question therefor is what is your production factor? </p>
<p>The core of the consumption factor is not just that people consume, more important is that they have become consumers because their productive capacities are progressively decommissioned. People work in the service sector ever more. There are several people today in different parts of the world who know that the milk comes from machines! When some of them see a cow being milked it is an experience-they have never before seen anything like this. We only receive what we consume; we know not how it and where it is produced, we progress only to be distanced  from productive activities.</p>
<p>This is the core of mechanisation and mass production. </p>
<p>The neo-liberal economy carries this to an unprecedented scale, it aim is to an absolute decommissioning of human productive capacity replaced by technological productive capacity-the most advanced form of which is artificial intelligence robotics.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/jared-diamond-and-the-consumption-factor/#comment-13227</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't be concerned with this. America is already bankrupting itself (it's taxpayers who are the only funding source the elite enjoy tapping), and once the inevitable and large-scale economic collapse occurs Americans will no longer be consuming in mass quantities.

The most useful thing that consuming less *now* does is to prepare Americans for the day when they have no choice but to consume less.

It's certainly not "impossible" for other countries to catch up to America. The American elite have nothing left but a war machine, and the world is unifying against that machine as we speak. The American government will be defeated soon, the "American multinationals" will simply move out of the country (as Halliburton has already done) and the American people will be left to pick up the pieces and build a new society.

America as we know it is on it's last legs. Which is mostly a good thing, but it will have repercussions none of us yet understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be concerned with this. America is already bankrupting itself (it&#8217;s taxpayers who are the only funding source the elite enjoy tapping), and once the inevitable and large-scale economic collapse occurs Americans will no longer be consuming in mass quantities.</p>
<p>The most useful thing that consuming less *now* does is to prepare Americans for the day when they have no choice but to consume less.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly not &#8220;impossible&#8221; for other countries to catch up to America. The American elite have nothing left but a war machine, and the world is unifying against that machine as we speak. The American government will be defeated soon, the &#8220;American multinationals&#8221; will simply move out of the country (as Halliburton has already done) and the American people will be left to pick up the pieces and build a new society.</p>
<p>America as we know it is on it&#8217;s last legs. Which is mostly a good thing, but it will have repercussions none of us yet understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/jared-diamond-and-the-consumption-factor/#comment-12794</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free market capitalism is ruinning lives here and abroad. 

Please see what some people have to do to put food on the table:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F8IClxpuWyA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free market capitalism is ruinning lives here and abroad. </p>
<p>Please see what some people have to do to put food on the table:</p>
<p><a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F8IClxpuWyA" rel="nofollow">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F8IClxpuWyA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/jared-diamond-and-the-consumption-factor/#comment-12571</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The year was 2525 and about a hundred people were on a very large ship traveling through the Universe.  A few people were in the coffee house on the ship looking out the window.  Yes they still had coffee in 2525.  As they looked out they could see hydrogen clouds hundreds of light years wide.  Black holes that were interesting from a distance.  Solar systems that could support life.  Quite a site to see.  The conversation this night in the coffee house was how they had come so far to be able to see these wonders of the Universe.  One person said it all started in the early twenty first century because of climate change.  A total focus to find new energy sources was started they had to or civilization was lost.  Not only did they find new energy sources but countries learned to work together and people learned to work together.  It was hard at first but things got better from that time on and here we are now on this ship that can travel at the speed of light.  Well as they drank there coffee time passed and then someone pointed out the window at a gray planet.  Look at that planet it looks like ours except it's gray not blue.  One of the old men said yes that planet is exactly like ours to the year.  For some reason we are not sure of at the start of there twenty first century climate change burning fossil fuels was ignored and the best we can tell by the year 2120 most life on that planet was gone.  The planet kept changing and what you see now is gray and lifeless.  All they had to do was use the knowledge they had at the time.  Then someone asked what is the name of that planet.  The old man said,"Earth", and with that the ship turned to there home at light speed.
               Don

  Did anybody notice the weather in the middle part of the United States the last few days.  Get use to it.  No don't get use to it we need to start using our minds fight back.   Britney Spears how is she doing.  Can Dr. Phill help her what does it all mean.  What does O'Reilly think, I mean Oh really.  We have to start using our minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The year was 2525 and about a hundred people were on a very large ship traveling through the Universe.  A few people were in the coffee house on the ship looking out the window.  Yes they still had coffee in 2525.  As they looked out they could see hydrogen clouds hundreds of light years wide.  Black holes that were interesting from a distance.  Solar systems that could support life.  Quite a site to see.  The conversation this night in the coffee house was how they had come so far to be able to see these wonders of the Universe.  One person said it all started in the early twenty first century because of climate change.  A total focus to find new energy sources was started they had to or civilization was lost.  Not only did they find new energy sources but countries learned to work together and people learned to work together.  It was hard at first but things got better from that time on and here we are now on this ship that can travel at the speed of light.  Well as they drank there coffee time passed and then someone pointed out the window at a gray planet.  Look at that planet it looks like ours except it&#8217;s gray not blue.  One of the old men said yes that planet is exactly like ours to the year.  For some reason we are not sure of at the start of there twenty first century climate change burning fossil fuels was ignored and the best we can tell by the year 2120 most life on that planet was gone.  The planet kept changing and what you see now is gray and lifeless.  All they had to do was use the knowledge they had at the time.  Then someone asked what is the name of that planet.  The old man said,&#8221;Earth&#8221;, and with that the ship turned to there home at light speed.<br />
               Don</p>
<p>  Did anybody notice the weather in the middle part of the United States the last few days.  Get use to it.  No don&#8217;t get use to it we need to start using our minds fight back.   Britney Spears how is she doing.  Can Dr. Phill help her what does it all mean.  What does O&#8217;Reilly think, I mean Oh really.  We have to start using our minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/jared-diamond-and-the-consumption-factor/#comment-12550</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Lovelock's view, the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us will soon become obvious. By 2020, droughts and other extreme weather will be commonplace. By 2040, the Sahara will be moving into Europe, and Berlin will be as hot as Baghdad. Atlanta will end up a kudzu jungle. Phoenix will become uninhabitable, as will parts of Beijing (desert), Miami (rising seas) and London (floods). Food shortages will drive millions of people north, raising political tensions. "The Chinese have nowhere to go but up into Siberia," Lovelock says. "How will the Russians feel about that? I fear that war between Russia and China is probably inevitable." With hardship and mass migrations will come epidemics, which are likely to kill millions. By 2100, Lovelock believes, the Earth's population will be culled from today's 6.6 billion to as few as 500 million, with most of the survivors living in the far latitudes -- Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, the Arctic Basin. 

By the end of the century, according to Lovelock, global warming will cause temperate zones like North America and Europe to heat up by fourteen degrees Fahrenheit, nearly double the likeliest predictions of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations-sanctioned body that includes the world's top scientists. "Our future," Lovelock writes, "is like that of the passengers on a small pleasure boat sailing quietly above the Niagara Falls, not knowing that the engines are about to fail." And switching to energy-efficient light bulbs won't save us. To Lovelock, cutting greenhouse-gas pollution won't make much difference at this point, and much of what passes for sustainable development is little more than a scam to profit off disaster. "Green," he tells me, only half-joking, "is the color of mold and corruption."   James Lovlock

    Now what Lovelock just said what are the chances he's right.  If you would have talked with scientists only two years ago they would say 30 years to start getting carbon levels down.  Ask them today 8 to 10 years.  The data from the summer of 2007 was a real eye opener to say the least.  There is still time but it has to be a total focus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Lovelock&#8217;s view, the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us will soon become obvious. By 2020, droughts and other extreme weather will be commonplace. By 2040, the Sahara will be moving into Europe, and Berlin will be as hot as Baghdad. Atlanta will end up a kudzu jungle. Phoenix will become uninhabitable, as will parts of Beijing (desert), Miami (rising seas) and London (floods). Food shortages will drive millions of people north, raising political tensions. &#8220;The Chinese have nowhere to go but up into Siberia,&#8221; Lovelock says. &#8220;How will the Russians feel about that? I fear that war between Russia and China is probably inevitable.&#8221; With hardship and mass migrations will come epidemics, which are likely to kill millions. By 2100, Lovelock believes, the Earth&#8217;s population will be culled from today&#8217;s 6.6 billion to as few as 500 million, with most of the survivors living in the far latitudes &#8212; Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, the Arctic Basin. </p>
<p>By the end of the century, according to Lovelock, global warming will cause temperate zones like North America and Europe to heat up by fourteen degrees Fahrenheit, nearly double the likeliest predictions of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations-sanctioned body that includes the world&#8217;s top scientists. &#8220;Our future,&#8221; Lovelock writes, &#8220;is like that of the passengers on a small pleasure boat sailing quietly above the Niagara Falls, not knowing that the engines are about to fail.&#8221; And switching to energy-efficient light bulbs won&#8217;t save us. To Lovelock, cutting greenhouse-gas pollution won&#8217;t make much difference at this point, and much of what passes for sustainable development is little more than a scam to profit off disaster. &#8220;Green,&#8221; he tells me, only half-joking, &#8220;is the color of mold and corruption.&#8221;   James Lovlock</p>
<p>    Now what Lovelock just said what are the chances he&#8217;s right.  If you would have talked with scientists only two years ago they would say 30 years to start getting carbon levels down.  Ask them today 8 to 10 years.  The data from the summer of 2007 was a real eye opener to say the least.  There is still time but it has to be a total focus.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/jared-diamond-and-the-consumption-factor/#comment-12547</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas that was very interesting.  One little problem climate change.  It doesn't matter who put the carbon into the atmosphere it is now there.  We have to start here in the States first and fast.  It will be as tuff as World War Two and maybe tuffer.  United States, China, India all countries working together one goal produce energy without fossil fuels.  Can this be done maybe.  We only have about 8 years to make this real.        The technology we have now will get us close but it has to be a total focus.  Will that happen good question.  You talk about China well in just about two years China is going to have big problems with water and food.  If you go to this web site it tells part of the problem and remember two years things are going to start to go haywire in China in the States not as bad but still not much fun.  Still time.  http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/01/04/poyang-lake-china-oped-cx_cob_0106poyang.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas that was very interesting.  One little problem climate change.  It doesn&#8217;t matter who put the carbon into the atmosphere it is now there.  We have to start here in the States first and fast.  It will be as tuff as World War Two and maybe tuffer.  United States, China, India all countries working together one goal produce energy without fossil fuels.  Can this be done maybe.  We only have about 8 years to make this real.        The technology we have now will get us close but it has to be a total focus.  Will that happen good question.  You talk about China well in just about two years China is going to have big problems with water and food.  If you go to this web site it tells part of the problem and remember two years things are going to start to go haywire in China in the States not as bad but still not much fun.  Still time.  <a href="http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/01/04/poyang-lake-china-oped-cx_cob_0106poyang.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/01/04/poyang-lake-china-oped-cx_cob_0106poyang.html</a></p>
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