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		<title>By: Dennis Brasky</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-14252</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Brasky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>source of good info -

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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-14207</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please "google"   The Dangers of Statin Drugs, and go to the Weston A Price  report.   That is for beginners!      I found that report 4 yrs. ago when I was told to take a statin.   I refused.    Today, more knowledge and findings tell us, that Statins don't work, women should NEVER take one (1!!!), and that while they MAY sometimes reduce plaque, they cause muscle damage (INCLUDING THE HEART) ...  

Also, statins deplete and stop the body's  NATURAL production of Co-Q-10, which guards the heart NATURALLY.

Canada's law FORCES this info re: Co-Q-10 to be put on prescriptions, but the USA does not.

There is a LOAD of reading on this subject on the web.

Also, check out the VitaminC Foundation's web site, and take a peek at that!   Vit. C, .... Now THERE ya' go with the CURE!

Best wishes, and KEEP READING, and get OFF the JUNK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please &#8220;google&#8221;   The Dangers of Statin Drugs, and go to the Weston A Price  report.   That is for beginners!      I found that report 4 yrs. ago when I was told to take a statin.   I refused.    Today, more knowledge and findings tell us, that Statins don&#8217;t work, women should NEVER take one (1!!!), and that while they MAY sometimes reduce plaque, they cause muscle damage (INCLUDING THE HEART) &#8230;  </p>
<p>Also, statins deplete and stop the body&#8217;s  NATURAL production of Co-Q-10, which guards the heart NATURALLY.</p>
<p>Canada&#8217;s law FORCES this info re: Co-Q-10 to be put on prescriptions, but the USA does not.</p>
<p>There is a LOAD of reading on this subject on the web.</p>
<p>Also, check out the VitaminC Foundation&#8217;s web site, and take a peek at that!   Vit. C, &#8230;. Now THERE ya&#8217; go with the CURE!</p>
<p>Best wishes, and KEEP READING, and get OFF the JUNK!</p>
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		<title>By: brantl</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13744</link>
		<dc:creator>brantl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And what is the purpose of thimerosal in the vaccines that are injected into newborns??????" The purpose of thimerosal is to be a preservative, so that you can stick a needle into a  membrane sealed bottle and draw dose after dose out of a single container. It is a dangerous mercury salt. The only reason for its use in vaccines is to make the containers/packaging CHEAPER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And what is the purpose of thimerosal in the vaccines that are injected into newborns??????&#8221; The purpose of thimerosal is to be a preservative, so that you can stick a needle into a  membrane sealed bottle and draw dose after dose out of a single container. It is a dangerous mercury salt. The only reason for its use in vaccines is to make the containers/packaging CHEAPER.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13683</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of the early 1990s, insiders were estimating that big business marketing in the U.S. was a trillion-dollar-a-year endeavor.  It is now almost certainly twice that.  And, by definition, the lion's share of that is waste.

We have all been hyper-sensitized about problems in the expenditure of public monies.  We remain virtually uninformed about the far larger scale of "private" squandering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of the early 1990s, insiders were estimating that big business marketing in the U.S. was a trillion-dollar-a-year endeavor.  It is now almost certainly twice that.  And, by definition, the lion&#8217;s share of that is waste.</p>
<p>We have all been hyper-sensitized about problems in the expenditure of public monies.  We remain virtually uninformed about the far larger scale of &#8220;private&#8221; squandering.</p>
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		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13670</link>
		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff.  I know that Liptor actually has been effective for at least one person I know - but it was the doctor making that call and testing the results, not the patient lobbying for the drug because of an ad. 

There's also the issue of the FDA being understaffed for the amount of applications they receive, and any political pressure.   And the issue of pharmaceutical companies rushing drugs to market despite problems that they don't always report. 

As you say, there's a great deal of deceptive advertising and advertising in general.  NPR did a decent story last year on all those drug ads, and how viwers tend to remember the images, but not the patter.   (Every  time I hear about the cost of a marketing campaign, or a political campaign, or the cost of the Super Bowl halftime show, or an ICBM "missile defense" system, I have to wonder about what else could have been done with that money.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff.  I know that Liptor actually has been effective for at least one person I know - but it was the doctor making that call and testing the results, not the patient lobbying for the drug because of an ad. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the issue of the FDA being understaffed for the amount of applications they receive, and any political pressure.   And the issue of pharmaceutical companies rushing drugs to market despite problems that they don&#8217;t always report. </p>
<p>As you say, there&#8217;s a great deal of deceptive advertising and advertising in general.  NPR did a decent story last year on all those drug ads, and how viwers tend to remember the images, but not the patter.   (Every  time I hear about the cost of a marketing campaign, or a political campaign, or the cost of the Super Bowl halftime show, or an ICBM &#8220;missile defense&#8221; system, I have to wonder about what else could have been done with that money.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13669</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 01/21/08 issue of Advertising Age reports that "Merck &#38; Co. and Schering-Plough Corp. [the makers of Vytorin] kept under wraps for more than a year findings that Vytorin does not deliver results."  All the while, they continued their $100+ million ad campaign.

Overall, the definition of what constitutes fraud in advertising is laughably lax, if you understand how the marketing process works and how utterly central planned deception is within it.

But this particular case easily crosses even the ridiculously faux-naive standards that are supposed to be in place.  The planners of this affair belong in prison, and the corporations involved ought to be severely penalized, if not simply nationalized and restructured.

None of that will happen, of course.  Law enforcement is strictly for the little people in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 01/21/08 issue of Advertising Age reports that &#8220;Merck &amp; Co. and Schering-Plough Corp. [the makers of Vytorin] kept under wraps for more than a year findings that Vytorin does not deliver results.&#8221;  All the while, they continued their $100+ million ad campaign.</p>
<p>Overall, the definition of what constitutes fraud in advertising is laughably lax, if you understand how the marketing process works and how utterly central planned deception is within it.</p>
<p>But this particular case easily crosses even the ridiculously faux-naive standards that are supposed to be in place.  The planners of this affair belong in prison, and the corporations involved ought to be severely penalized, if not simply nationalized and restructured.</p>
<p>None of that will happen, of course.  Law enforcement is strictly for the little people in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: via</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13661</link>
		<dc:creator>via</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll send this to my son, a pre-med student keenly interested in this issue.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll send this to my son, a pre-med student keenly interested in this issue.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13630</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also have the right to smoke cigarettes.  Does that make it OK to trick them into doing so via marketing?

I'm not trying to protect people from themselves.  I'm trying to protect them from our super-rich overclass, which insists on pushing a wide range of defective and dangerous products.

Moreover, it's simply not valid to talk about people being inherently stupid until you remove the lavishly-funded tricks and conundrums foisted by our economic planners.  Do that, wait 50 years for the cultural habits they've created to recede, then we can start talking about people harming themselves.

I agree with you 100-percent about single-payer, btw.  This is not an either-or choice, though.  In fact, it strikes me as being just the opposite:  The case for public insurance gets stronger and gains more supporters when we explain the impact of unrestrained corporate priorities on other fronts.

P.S. Car crashes kill 40,000+ U.S. residents every year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They also have the right to smoke cigarettes.  Does that make it OK to trick them into doing so via marketing?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to protect people from themselves.  I&#8217;m trying to protect them from our super-rich overclass, which insists on pushing a wide range of defective and dangerous products.</p>
<p>Moreover, it&#8217;s simply not valid to talk about people being inherently stupid until you remove the lavishly-funded tricks and conundrums foisted by our economic planners.  Do that, wait 50 years for the cultural habits they&#8217;ve created to recede, then we can start talking about people harming themselves.</p>
<p>I agree with you 100-percent about single-payer, btw.  This is not an either-or choice, though.  In fact, it strikes me as being just the opposite:  The case for public insurance gets stronger and gains more supporters when we explain the impact of unrestrained corporate priorities on other fronts.</p>
<p>P.S. Car crashes kill 40,000+ U.S. residents every year.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13628</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,  you make the point that people should be protected from their own stupidity. I believe that all who base their medical decisions on the under-handed marketing campaigns of the corporations, maybe deserve what they get. People have the right to be stupid. The really big important issue for me is the 18,000 who die every year because of lack of access to health care. They have no choice.  I support a Single Payer system.    Until we get a Single Payer system, it is like having a 9/11 every 60 days. It seems to me that we should be going to "war" against the government/industrial/health complex until this issue is resolved. That's the least that we owe to the 18,000 dead fellow citizens who died within the past year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,  you make the point that people should be protected from their own stupidity. I believe that all who base their medical decisions on the under-handed marketing campaigns of the corporations, maybe deserve what they get. People have the right to be stupid. The really big important issue for me is the 18,000 who die every year because of lack of access to health care. They have no choice.  I support a Single Payer system.    Until we get a Single Payer system, it is like having a 9/11 every 60 days. It seems to me that we should be going to &#8220;war&#8221; against the government/industrial/health complex until this issue is resolved. That&#8217;s the least that we owe to the 18,000 dead fellow citizens who died within the past year.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13627</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the at-least-half-ineffectiveness of Vytorin makes one wonder what the real story is with the other half, too.  And we know for sure that a society with the time, security, and resources (both mental and technological) to eat right and exercise would make much of this stuff unnecessary.

But I would also hesitate to downplay the role of marketing in all this.  They are quite consciously and carefully pushing people to go ask their doctors for these pills.  And for doctors to prescribe them, too...

What we really need is a completely open debate over the dynamics of health and illness and medicine.   Ain't gonna happen without a big push, though.  Too much money to be made by our present ongoing disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the at-least-half-ineffectiveness of Vytorin makes one wonder what the real story is with the other half, too.  And we know for sure that a society with the time, security, and resources (both mental and technological) to eat right and exercise would make much of this stuff unnecessary.</p>
<p>But I would also hesitate to downplay the role of marketing in all this.  They are quite consciously and carefully pushing people to go ask their doctors for these pills.  And for doctors to prescribe them, too&#8230;</p>
<p>What we really need is a completely open debate over the dynamics of health and illness and medicine.   Ain&#8217;t gonna happen without a big push, though.  Too much money to be made by our present ongoing disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13626</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The advertising by the drug companies is a less important issue than the safety of the meds. The deception by and problems with the pharmaceutical industry  have been going on for a long time.  I remember when new parents were advised to bathe their newborns in a soap containing hexachloraphine (which was later thought to cause damage to the brain stem). That was 40 years ago. Since then things have only gotten worse. Some of the anti-osteoporosis drugs that are still on the market are thought to cause necrosis of the jawbone. The public has to understand that the purpose of many drugs is simply to enrich the manufacturers. The complicity of the FDA has been apparent for a long time. And what is the purpose of thimerosal in the vaccines that are injected into newborns??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The advertising by the drug companies is a less important issue than the safety of the meds. The deception by and problems with the pharmaceutical industry  have been going on for a long time.  I remember when new parents were advised to bathe their newborns in a soap containing hexachloraphine (which was later thought to cause damage to the brain stem). That was 40 years ago. Since then things have only gotten worse. Some of the anti-osteoporosis drugs that are still on the market are thought to cause necrosis of the jawbone. The public has to understand that the purpose of many drugs is simply to enrich the manufacturers. The complicity of the FDA has been apparent for a long time. And what is the purpose of thimerosal in the vaccines that are injected into newborns??????</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/high-tech-snake-oil/#comment-13622</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jarvik "gratefulness" quote links to one facet of the story.  You can also just Goggle the drug names.

I presumed in this piece that people had heard the basic stories -- that Vytorin doesn't work as claimed, and that Jarvik is not a doctor and only became "grateful" for Lipitor after Pfizer started paying him to misrepresent himself and their pill.

I'm not saying all cholesterol meds are bogus, btw.  They may prove to be that or worse, but the jury is still out on that question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jarvik &#8220;gratefulness&#8221; quote links to one facet of the story.  You can also just Goggle the drug names.</p>
<p>I presumed in this piece that people had heard the basic stories &#8212; that Vytorin doesn&#8217;t work as claimed, and that Jarvik is not a doctor and only became &#8220;grateful&#8221; for Lipitor after Pfizer started paying him to misrepresent himself and their pill.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying all cholesterol meds are bogus, btw.  They may prove to be that or worse, but the jury is still out on that question.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Patton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know anything about a scandal involving anti-cholesterol medications.  I'm open to the possibility, and I would be interested to read about it.  But this article contains no information about it, nor any links to information about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about a scandal involving anti-cholesterol medications.  I&#8217;m open to the possibility, and I would be interested to read about it.  But this article contains no information about it, nor any links to information about it.</p>
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