“All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.”

…and, for all you “bums” from “round here”, busily figurin out the relevance of Psalm 121 in all this, there’s even more “choice cuts” to follow from Zionism’s theocratic psycho-wing — or, as I’ve described them elsewhere,

– the Israeli Hamas [i.e. hardcore settler-expansionists like those who assassinated Rabin]

“…Eliyahu’s son, Shmuel Eliyahu, who is chief rabbi of Safed, said his father opposed a ground troop incursion into Gaza that would endanger IDF soldiers. Rather, he advocated carpet bombing the general area from which the Kassams were launched, regardless of the price in Palestinian life.

“If they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand,” said Shmuel Eliyahu. “And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don’t stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop.”

In the letter, Eliyahu quoted from Psalms. “I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them and I will not desist until I have eradicated them.”

Eliyahu wrote that “This is a message to all leaders of the Jewish people not to be compassionate with those who shoot [rockets] at civilians in their houses.” [message ends]

Just another US-media-silenced example of what’s goin down in the “Light Unto the Nations”…

Ralph — here’s the link to this — dont lose it dude…

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

You assert that compared to the IDF, the Palestinian Arabs are using a strategy “far more ruthless” and one that is directed primarily at civilians. Yet, despite their “ruthless” strategy, the Palestinians only managed to kill 23 Israelis in 2006. The IDF, with its allegedly “less ruthless” strategy, however, managed to kill 660 Palestians, half of which were civilians (141 of them children) in 2006. Your assertion doesn’t seem to hold up very well. Just because you assert that the Palestinians are “more ruthless” doesn’t necessarily make it so. What could be more ruthless than the IDF’s dropping of millions of cluster bombs into southern Lebanon during the last few days of the 2006 war and, as a result, causing the deaths or injuries of untold numbers of Lebanese civilians for years to come? Did you regard the IDF’s slaughter of over 1,000 innocent Lebanese civilians in 2006 to be “ruthless.” Does your negative attitude toward Palestinians (and presumably Arabs in general) reveal deep-seated racism on your part? Does your post exhibit the very Zionist racism that this series is exploring?

I did not mention how many of the 23 Israelis killed by Palestinians in 2006 were non-combatants because the B’Tselem report I got the statistics from does not say how many were noncombatants. However, I regret and deplore and mourn the deaths of all 23 persons, whether or not they were combatants or noncombatants. I also regret and deplore and mourn the deaths of the 660 Palestinians killed by theIDF (over half of them innocent civilians), regardless of whether or not they were combatants or civilians. I regret and mourn all loss of human life. I note, however, that you did not express regret or mourning for any of the Palestinian deaths, whether combatants or innocent civilians. Instead, you seem to be trying to find ways to excuse the IDF and to blame the victims. Do you, like Israel’s former Sephardic chief rabbi, Mordechai Eliyahu, believe that the Palestinian people are collectively guilty and that, under Jewish war ethics, there is absolutely no prohibition against indiscriminate killing of civilians during a military offensive? (See the May 30, 2007 online of the Jerusalem Post to verify that this is indeed the former chief rabbis position). And if you do agree with rabbi Eliyahu, would you also quote the Bible, as he does, to justify your position. He quotes Psalms: “I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them and I will not desist until I have eradicated them.” Sounds like a call to genocide to me. Can even a hardcore Zionist apologist like you disagree?

http://www.counterpunch.org/bruinsma01052008.html

Consider, Ray, the strategy of those engaged in killing. You noted that the Israelis killed quite a number of Palestinian Arab non-combatants. You did not, however, mention how many Israeli non-combatants were killed by Palestinian Arabs.

That is an important omission because it relates to the strategy of each side. Which is to say, your statement of facts descends into propaganda when you make such a comparison but leave out important data.

In fact, almost all Israelis killed were non-combatants. That, after all, is a central component of the strategy of Palestinian Arabs, which focuses on terrorizing Israelis away from what, in a normal fight, would be called the front lines. In short, the Palestinian Arab strategy consists in substantial measure in killing civilians - as the targets of intended choice.

So, you may properly note that the Israelis killed quite a number of non-combatants but it is not an appropriate comparison to leave out the far more ruthless tactics of the Palestinian Arabs, who have adopted a strategy directed primarily at civilians.

40% of the Palestinians killed were killed in the Gaza Strip alone, 88 of which were children and 205 were non-combatants.

Palestinians killed 23 Israelis in 2006, less than half of the 50 Israelis they killed in 2005.

If you want to add up the score, the IDF killed 30 times more Palestinians than the latter killed Israelis in 2006. Who are the real terrorists?

The source of these statistics is B’Tselem’s 2006 Annual Report of IDF carnage. Read more at http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2006/12/29/btselem-three-fold-2006-increase...

Are the Jews responsible for this too, Kim?

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Racial killings in Borneo: a symptom of deep-seated social tensions
By Peter Symonds
27 February 2001

Gangs of indigenous Dayaks have butchered hundreds of people over the last week in the Indonesian province of Central Kalimantan in a racially-motivated killing spree aimed at driving settlers from the island of Madura out of the Borneo region.

The violence erupted in Sampit on February 18 when a mob attacked a transmigrant settlement at Pelalangan on the outskirts of the river town. Five Madurese were killed, provoking retaliation the following day, which in turn rapidly escalated into systematic attacks on settlers in Sampit and surrounding villages.

Local officials have confirmed that 270 have died but Indonesia’s official news agency Antara, based on its own sources, has put the toll at around 400. A Dayak leader Christopel Hutte was cited in an Associated Press report as saying that his men had killed more than 1,000 Madurese and would continue until all of the settlers had been driven from the province.

Such has been the ferocity of the attacks by Dayak thugs armed with machetes, guns and homemade weapons that few people survived. At present, the number of injured is put at only a few dozen. In some cases the heads of the victims were severed and either carted off as trophies or paraded around the streets on sticks. Thousands of houses belonging to the transmigrants have been burnt down.

Reports indicate that between 15,000 and 30,000 people have fled for their lives and are living in makeshift conditions near army camps and police stations. Two Indonesian navy ships picked up an estimated 4,000 refugees on February 25 after local ferry operators cancelled services. A number of settlers are also hiding out in the jungle.

According to a TV report, four refugees including two children have already died of sickness and hunger and supplies of food and water for the refugees were running out fast. Yesterday, more than a week after the killings broke out, the first relief aid—14 tonnes of food, medicine and blankets—was flown into the province. Coordinating security and political affairs minister Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who was on hand to meet the single Hercules transport plane, announced that more supplies would arrive by ship.

Last weekend the violence spread to the provincial capital of Palangkaraya, 220km east of Sampit. Gangs of armed Dayaks roamed the streets, establishing roadblocks and looting the homes and shops of Madurese before setting them on fire. Many of the settlers had already fled.

Come now, Kim. Let us assume that what you write were factually so - just for argument’s sake, of course.

So what? How is it worse that Palestinian Arabs were displaced to make way for Israeli Jews than that 10 million Hindu from what it now Pakistan were displaced (with one million people dying) to make way for Pakistan? How is it worse that Palestinians were displaced to make way for Israeli Jews than that Sudeten Germans were displaced to make way for modern Poland - with Poles moving into the homes of the displaced? Where is the distinction? And, if there is, why is it so important to you ?

Or, let us take a far more egregious example, Greece. Millions and millions of people were displaced. Turks claim that tens of millions of Muslims were killed but that may be an exaggeration. And, there was more than one episode of displacement. Almost all of those displaced, not including the 1921 event, were Muslim. At the same time, large numbers of “Greeks,” basically all Christians, living in Europe for centuries poured into what became Greece and became instant Greeks. The Muslim refugees ended up in places all along Asia Minor and, in fact, a very large number of those who now call themselves Palestinian Arabs (and they ended up largely in what is now Northern Israel) were Muslim refugees from Greece and the Balkans, resettled by the Ottoman Empire due to all of the turmoil. In the 1920’s there was one last event involving Greece - a population exchange of sorts, all based on religion, with Christians forced out of modern Turkey and Muslims forced out of modern Greece.

What about all of this? Why does Israel bother you but not Greece - a country born in blood with millions displaced and untold numbers of people killed and a large outside population moving, taking the place of the Muslim population?

It seems to me, Kim, that your views are born of ignorance or hatred or both.

PSALM 121
I will lift up mine eyes unto the mountains; From whence shall my help come?
My help cometh from the Lord, Who made heaven and earth.
He will not suffer thy foot to be moved; He that keepeth thee will not slumber.
Behold, He that keepeth Israel Doth neither slumber nor sleep.
The Lord is thy keeper; The Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand.
The sun shall not smite thee by day, Nor the moon by night.
The Lord shall keep thee from all evil; He shall keep thy soul.
The Lord shall guard thy going out and thy coming in, From this time forth and forever.

That being said, anyone of any geographical origin should be able to live in Palestine for religious reasons if they so choose, but not by ethnically cleansing others.

Palestinian Arabs have had all kinds of money thrown at them to build and assert their nationality and it all got pissed against a wall.

Israel evacuated Gaza in 2005, gifting the Palestinian people zillions of $$$ worth of modern and functioning and profitable greenhouse operations and what happened?

Hey remember Arafat’s wife? She got a cool $30,000,000 kiss off when her hubby died of AIDS. Much of the money originated as foreign relief investment funds….Did she ever lift a finger to help her poor reviled, harassed, belittled, demonized, brutally treated, killed, dispossessed and cast out countrymen?

Uh no. She fucked off back to Paris. She’s not going to live THERE!

These are the kinds of people who Truly victimize the Palestinians…THEIR OWN!

The Gazan Pals were more interested in attempting to destroy their neighbors than make a life for themselves. They attacked the freight terminals, which then had to be shut down, and continue to bombard Israel with crappy rockets and bombs. Figuring if they can harass the Jews long enough, they’ll get “all of Palestine” back.

Well that hasn’t worked out so well. And the greenhouses?

They’ve been looted to be salvaged for scrap.

There remains the possibility that the West Bank Palestinians will maybe work something out with Israel and the rest of the world, and when and or if it ever comes to pass, the West Bank could become a prosperous and happy place. But much has to be done first.

Statehood is waiting for the Palestinians to take it up. But it won’t happen at the end of a kassam missile. It’s got to be negotiated. And the Roadmap Plan has to be adhered to step by step - and by alll sides for this to work.

There’s never been a shortage of brain dead no-account yahoos hollering for Jewish blood.

DV is living proof of that.

Among all the people of the earth, Palestinian Arabs alone are to be reviled, harassed, belittled, demonized, brutally treated, killed, dispossessed and cast out wherever thay may be. And alone among all the people of the world, they have no right to a national collectivity, or a distinctive culture or history. And Palestine, the political entity of the Palestinian people has no right to exist.

Now the statement is descriptive of current reality. Jaime’s version was delusion.

Dennis Brasky’s “Israel has no right to exist” response is, of course, the most honest and explicit and in line with DV’s prevailing philosophy which I’ve obviously hit on the head.

And so we come at last again to the part where I say

OK, there’s 7,000,000 people living in Israel. Most are Jews. About 1/5 Arabs, a good number of Christians, Bahai (this is their spititual homeland too) and others.

You say Israel has no right to exist.

You’re actually not alone. The nutcase President of Iran has expressed as much, as do the fanatics of Hamas and Hezbollah.

So what’s next?

MASS EXTERMINATION?

OK. Is Kim going to leave his gig in South Korea to take up arms? Or maybe us his Cdn. passport to enter Israel, then strap a bomb to his ass and blow up a daycare center to be remembered as a martyr?

Probably not.

Most of those 7,000,000 people including Arabs won’t take to extermination too well, and even before an international intervention will likely kill many many many attackers before they themselves are done in, presuming that’s what you nice progressive people have in mind.

So is this about killing Jews, or is this about freeing Palestine? Do you want to free a lot of dead people?

We’re back to the part where you asll run away again. That’s right.

Blood or Ink? What’ll it be folks?

Hey where’d everybody go?

(SILENCE)

Many Ashkenazi Jews, probably even the majority, integrated into European society over the centuries and their modern descendants are indistinguishable from other Europeans. But those people, most of whom don’t even know that they have Jewish ancestry, have no desire to live in Israel. Those Ashkanazi Jews who chose to keep their Jewish identity rejected Europe by so doing. Nothing is more likely to get you inot trouble in Europe than that! So the question arose as to where they should go. Herzl’s idea was that they should go back where they came from and that suited Europeans just fine.

I would guess that the reason why Europe “pussyfoots” around Israel is that its collapse would not be well received in Europe. Many Israeli have a European nationality and if several million Israelis suddenly had to flee, I doubt if they’d be welcome in Europe, but they could not legally be stopped from coming. An attempt to re-colonise Poland with Jews has generated an anti-Jewish political party, for example. and all the “anti-foreigner” parties in Europe are as anti-Jewish as they are, for example, anti-Arab or anti-Black.

Thus, the Ashkanazi Jews are back to square one, so to speak. The Zionist dream is unworkable, but they have nowhere else to go.

>>Among all the peoples of this earth, Jews alone are to be reviled, harassed, belittled, demonized, and cast out wherever they may be. And alone among all of the peoples of the world, they have no right to a national collectivity, or distinctive culture or history. And Israel, the political entity of the Jews has no right to exist.

These are the typical Zionist crybaby tactics couple with fake crocodile tears!

Yes, Jews, if they wish, have the right to a peaceful “national collectivity” fully accepted by their host lands, including Palestine, even though they do not constitute a nation but a religion. They did such collectivity in Brooklyn, New York, for example! Why didnt they declare an independent state and build up their army there, yet? Palestine and the whole Middle East is full with minorities. Many of them even older than the Jews. These minorities have the right to live there but not to create their tribal racist states and to displace others.