Comments on: Charlie Wilson’s War: A Feel-Good Distortion of Reality http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:36:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Martha Stein http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12712 Martha Stein Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:51:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12712 For those who might be harboring any doubts about the theme or true intentions of the movie, I would like to draw your attention to the quote from Charlie Wilson at the end of the movie: "These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world. And the people who deserved the credit are the ones who made the sacrifice. And then we fucked up the endgame." Also see: Imperialist Propaganda Second Thoughts on Charlie Wilson’s War by Chalmers Johnson http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/07/6214/ For those who might be harboring any doubts about the theme or true intentions of the movie, I would like to draw your attention to the quote from Charlie Wilson at the end of the movie:

“These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world. And the people who deserved the credit are the ones who made the sacrifice. And then we fucked up the endgame.”

Also see: Imperialist Propaganda
Second Thoughts on Charlie Wilson’s War
by Chalmers Johnson
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/07/6214/

]]> By: arthur http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12708 arthur Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:04:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12708 This film makers deliberately distorted the facts. They claimed our aid (through isi) went to Massoud (pro US) but in reality in went to fanatical war lords who were anti-us and tied to bin laden. http://www.alternet.org/story/71286/?page=2 This film makers deliberately distorted the facts. They claimed our aid (through isi) went to Massoud (pro US) but in reality in went to fanatical war lords who were anti-us and tied to bin laden. http://www.alternet.org/story/71286/?page=2

]]> By: jose de PR http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12591 jose de PR Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:46:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12591 i saw the movie and it is stupid to watch how "forgiven" the story is for charlie wilson. i saw the movie and it is stupid to watch how “forgiven” the story is for charlie wilson.

]]> By: Mike McNiven http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12586 Mike McNiven Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:40:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12586 Mr.Kargar, Please remember that the movie named the following governments as involved on the anti-Soviet side: US/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/Egypt and Israel ! In reality, in addition to the above list, the following governments had a major role in that war also: UK/West Germany/Qatar/U.A.E./ China /Kuwait and Iran! The war started under Jimmy Carter, not Reagan, and it was Brzezinski's brainchild who told Carter give the Soviets "their Vietnam"! The year was 1979 and Brzezinski had already started the implementation of his anti-socialism plan called "Green Crescent" in Iran (Khomeini) and in Pakistan (Zia)! You know the rest... Mr.Kargar,
Please remember that the movie named the following governments as involved on the anti-Soviet side:

US/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/Egypt and Israel !

In reality, in addition to the above list, the following governments had a major role in that war also:

UK/West Germany/Qatar/U.A.E./ China /Kuwait and Iran!

The war started under Jimmy Carter, not Reagan, and it was Brzezinski’s brainchild who told Carter give the Soviets “their Vietnam”! The year was 1979 and Brzezinski had already started the implementation of his anti-socialism plan called “Green Crescent” in Iran (Khomeini) and in Pakistan (Zia)! You know the rest…

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12527 Michael Kenny Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:37:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12527 I am never comfortable with the "your side as as big a bunch of shits as our side" argument. The problem with it is that it concedes your opponent's main point, namely, that his side is "normal", like everybody else, no worse than anybody else. If everybody committed murder, nobody would see anyhting wrong in committing murder! For that reason, I find Mr Kargar's argument silly and childish. It's an own goal! I am never comfortable with the “your side as as big a bunch of shits as our side” argument. The problem with it is that it concedes your opponent’s main point, namely, that his side is “normal”, like everybody else, no worse than anybody else. If everybody committed murder, nobody would see anyhting wrong in committing murder! For that reason, I find Mr Kargar’s argument silly and childish. It’s an own goal!

]]> By: Michael Donnelly http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12519 Michael Donnelly Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:06:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/charlie-wilson%e2%80%99s-war-a-feel-good-distortion-of-reality/#comment-12519 For all it's flaws (I mean a pro-Pakistani connected at the highest levels Texas Socialite drops out of the sky with no background info as to how such a creature could exist!), the movie does not "consciously attempt to hide that connection" - the morphing of the "freedom fighters" into the Taliban and al Queda. In fact the movie deliberately uses the hoary Zen Master tale of the boy who got a horse for a present..."we'll see"... twice in that regard. The redeeming part of the movie is that is shows how things really get done in DC. But, yes, it fails with no mention of Wilson and Central America, etc. Nor of the anti-environment stands that he was most known for. For all it’s flaws (I mean a pro-Pakistani connected at the highest levels Texas Socialite drops out of the sky with no background info as to how such a creature could exist!), the movie does not “consciously attempt to hide that connection” - the morphing of the “freedom fighters” into the Taliban and al Queda.

In fact the movie deliberately uses the hoary Zen Master tale of the boy who got a horse for a present…”we’ll see”… twice in that regard.

The redeeming part of the movie is that is shows how things really get done in DC. But, yes, it fails with no mention of Wilson and Central America, etc. Nor of the anti-environment stands that he was most known for.

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