Why The Left Must Reject Ron Paul

“Politics like nature, abhors a vacuum,” goes the revamped aphorism. Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul’s surprising stature among a small but vocal layer of antiwar activists and leftist bloggers appears to bear this out.

At the October 27, 2007, antiwar protests in dozens of cities noticeable contingents of supporters carried his campaign placards and circulated sign-up sheets. The Web site antiwar.com features a weekly Ron Paul column. Some even dream of a Left-Right gadfly alliance for the 2008 ticket. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, liberal maverick and Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich told supporters in late November he was thinking of making Ron Paul his running mate if he were to get the nomination.

No doubt, the hawkish and calculating Hillary Rodham Clinton and flaccid murmurings of Barack Obama, in addition to the uninspiring state of the antiwar movement that backed a prowar candidate in 2004, help fuel the desperation many activists feel. But leftists must unequivocally reject the reactionary libertarianism of this longtime Texas congressman and 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate.

Ron Paul’s own campaign Web site reads like the objectivist rantings of Ayn Rand, one of his theoretical mentors. As with the Atlas Shrugged author’s other acolytes, neocon guru Milton Friedman and former Federal Reserve chair Alan Greenspan, Paul argues, “Liberty means free-market capitalism.” He opposes “big government” and in the isolationist fashion of the nation’s Pat Buchanans, he decries intervention in foreign nation’s affairs and believes membership in the United Nations undermines U.S. sovereignty.

Naturally, it is not Ron Paul’s paeans to the free market that some progressives find so appealing, but his unwavering opposition to the war in Iraq and consistent voting record against all funding for the war. His straightforward speaking style, refusal to accept the financial perks of office, and his repeated calls for repealing the Patriot Act distinguish him from the snakeoil salesmen who populate Congress.

Paul is no power-hungry, poll-tested shyster. Even the liberalish chat-show hosts Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar on The View gave a friendly reception to Paul’s folksy presentation, despite his paleoconservative views on abortion, which he–a practicing obstetrician–argues is murder.

Though Paul is unlikely to triumph in the primaries, it is worth taking stock not only of his actual positions, but more importantly the libertarian underpinnings that have wooed so many self-described leftists and progressives. Because at its core, the fetishism of individualism that underlies libertarianism leads to the denial of rights to the very people most radicals aim to champion: workers, immigrants, Blacks, women, gays, and any group that lacks the economic power to impose their individual rights on others.

Ron Paul’s positions

A cursory look at Paul’s positions, beyond his opposition to the war and the Patriot Act, would make any leftist cringe.

Put simply, he is a racist. Not the cross-burning, hood-wearing kind to be sure, but the flat Earth society brand that imagines a colorblind world where 500 years of colonial history and slavery are dismissed out of hand and institutional racism and policies under capitalism are imagined away. As his campaign Web site reads:

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence–not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

Paul was more blunt writing in his independent political newsletter distributed to thousands of supporters in 1992. Citing statistics from a study that year produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, Paul concluded: “Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.” Reporting on gang crime in Los Angeles, Paul commented: “If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

His six-point immigration plan appears to have been cribbed from the gun-toting vigilante Minutemen at the border. “A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked,” reads his site. And he advocates cutting off all social services to undocumented immigrants, including hospitals, schools, clinics, and even roads (how would that work?).

“The public correctly perceives that neither political party has the courage to do what is necessary to prevent further erosion of both our border security and our national identity,” he wrote in a 2005 article. “Unfortunately, the federal government seems more intent upon guarding the borders of other nations than our own.” The article argues that, “Our current welfare system also encourages illegal immigration by discouraging American citizens from taking low-wage jobs.” The solution: end welfare so that everyone will be forced to work at slave wages. In order that immigrants not culturally dilute the nation, he proposes that “All federal government business should be conducted in English.”

Though he rants about his commitment to the Constitution, he introduced an amendment altering the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteeing citizenship to anyone born in the United States, saying in a 2006 article: “Birthright citizenship, originating in the 14th amendment, has become a serious cultural and economic dilemma for our nation. We must end the perverse incentives that encourage immigrants to come here illegally, including the anchor baby incentive.”

Here we come up against the limits of libertarianism; Paul wants a strong state to secure the borders, but he wants all social welfare expenditures eliminated for those within them.

Paul is quite vocal these days about his rank opposition to abortion; “life begins at conception,” he argues. He promotes a “states’ rights” position on abortion–that decades old hobgoblin of civil rights opponents. And he has long opposed sexual harassment legislation, writing in his 1988 book Freedom Under Siege (available online), “Why don’t they quit once the so-called harassment starts?” In keeping with his small government worldview, he goes on to argue against the government’s right “to tell an airline it must hire unattractive women if it does not want to.”

In that same book, written as the AIDS crisis was laying waste to the American gay male population prompting the rise of activist groups demanding research and drugs, Paul attacked AIDS sufferers as “victims of their own lifestyle.” And in a statement that gives a glimpse of the ruling-class tyranny of individualism he asserts that AIDS victims demanding rushed drug trials were impinging on “the rights of insurance company owners.”

Paul wants to abolish the Department of Education and, in his words, “end the federal education monopoly” by eliminating all taxes that go toward public education and “giving educational control back to parents.” Which parents would those be? Only those with the leisure time, educational training, and temperament commensurate with home schooling! Whatever real problems the U.S. education system suffers from–and there are many–eliminating 99 percent literacy rates that generations of public education has achieved and tossing the children of working parents out of the schools is not an appealing or viable option.

Paul also opposes equal pay for equal work, a minimum wage, and, naturally, trade unions. In 2007, he voted against restricting employers’ rights to interfere in union drives and against raising the federal minimum wage to $7.25. In 2001, he voted for zero-funding for OSHA’s Ergonomics Rules, instead of the $4.5 billion. At least he’s consistent.

Libertarians like Paul are for removing any legislative barriers that may restrict business owners’ profits, but are openly hostile to alleviating economic restrictions that oppress most workers. Only a boss could embrace this perverse concept of “freedom.”

Individualism versus collectivism

There is a scene in Monty Python’s satire Life of Brian where Brian, not wanting to be the messiah, calls out to the crowd: “You are all individuals.” The crowd responds in unison: “We are all individuals.”

Libertarians, using pseudo-iconoclastic logic, transform this comical send-up of religious conformity into their own secular dogma in which we are all just atomized beings. “Only an individual has rights,” not groups such as workers, Blacks, gays, women, and minorities, Ron Paul argues. True, we are all individuals, but we didn’t just bump into one another. Human beings by nature are social beings who live in a collective, a society. Under capitalism, society is broken down into classes in which some individuals–bosses, for example–wield considerably more power than others–workers.

To advocate for society to be organized on the basis of strict individualism, as libertarians do, is to argue that everyone has the right to do whatever he or she wants. Sounds nice in the abstract, perhaps. But what happens when the desires of one individual infringe on the desires of another? Libertarians like Paul don’t shy away from the logical ramifications of their argument. “The dictatorial power of a majority” he argues ought to be replaced by the unencumbered power of individuals–in other words, the dictatorial power of a minority.

So if the chairman of Dow Chemical wants to flush his company’s toxic effluence into rivers and streams, so be it. If General Motors wants to pay its employees starvation wages, that’s their right too. Right-wing libertarians often appear to not want to grapple with meddlesome things like economic and social power. As the bourgeois radical Abraham Lincoln observed of secessionist slaveowners, “The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of other people.”

Too much government?

Unwavering hostility to government and its collection of taxes is another hallmark of libertarianism. Given the odious practices of governments under capitalism, their repugnant financial priorities, and bilking of the lower classes through taxation it’s hardly surprising that libertarians get a hearing.

But the conclusion that the problem is “big government” strips the content from the form. Can any working-class perspective seriously assert that we have too much government involvement in providing health care? Too much oversight of the environment, food production, and workplace safety? Would anyone seriously consider hopping a flight without the certainty of national, in fact international, air traffic control? Of course not. The problem doesn’t lie with some abstract construct, “government,” the problem is that the actual class dynamics of governments under capitalism amount to taxing workers and the poor in lieu of the rich and powerful corporations and spending those resources on wars, environmental devastation, and the enrichment of a tiny swath of society at the expense of the rest of us.

Ron Paul argues, “Government by majority rule has replaced strict protection of the individual from government abuse. Right of property ownership has been replaced with the forced redistribution of wealth and property.” Few folks likely to be reading this publication will agree that we actually live in a society where wealth and property are expropriated from the rich and given to workers and the poor. Even the corporate media admit that there has been a wholesale redistribution of wealth in the opposite direction. But Paul exposes here the class nature of libertarianism; it is the provincial political outlook of the middle-class business owner obsessed with guarding his lot. As online anti-libertarian writer Ernest Partridge puts it in “Liberty for some”:

“Complaints against ‘big government’ and ‘over-regulation,’ though often justified, also issue from the privileged who are frustrated at finding that their quest for still greater privileges at the expense of their community are curtailed by a government which, ideally, represents that community. Pure food and drug laws curtail profits and mandate tests as they protect the general public.”

In fact, the libertarians’ opposition to the government, or the state if you will, is less out of hostility to what the state actually does than who is running it. Perhaps this explains Paul’s own clear contradiction when it comes to abortion, since his opposition to government intervention stops at a woman’s uterus. But freedom for socialists has always been about more than the right to choose masters. Likewise, Paul appears to be for “small government” except when it comes to using its power to restrict immigration. His personal right to not have any undocumented immigrants in the U.S. seems to trump the right of free movement of individuals, but not capital, across borders.

Right-wing libertarians, quite simply, oppose the state only insofar as it infringes the right of property owners.

Left-Right alliance?

Some antiwar activists and leftists desperate to revitalize a flagging antiwar movement make appeals to the Left to form a Left-Right bloc with Ron Paul supporters. Even environmental activist and left-wing author Joshua Frank, who writes insightful and often scathing attacks on liberal Democrats’ capitulations to reactionary policies, recently penned an article citing–though not endorsing–Paul’s campaign in calling for leftist antiwar activists to reach out to form a sort of Left-Right antiwar alliance. He argues, “Whether we’re beer swilling rednecks from Knoxville or mushroom eatin’ hippies from Eugene, we need to come together,” (”Embracing a New Antiwar Movement“).

Supporters of Ron Paul who show up to protests should have their reactionary conclusions challenged, not embraced. Those of his supporters who are wholly ignorant of his broader politics beyond the war, should be educated about them. And those who advocate his noxious politics, should be attacked for their racism, immigrant bashing, and hostility to the values a genuine Left champions. The sort of Left-Right alliance Frank advocates is not only opportunistic but is also a repellent to creating the multiracial working-class movement that is sorely needed of we are to end this war. What Arabs, Blacks, Latinos–and antiracist whites, for that matter–would ever join a movement that accommodates to this know-nothing brand of politics?

Discontent with the status quo and the drumbeat of electoralism is driving many activists and progressives to seek out political alternatives. But libertarianism is no radical political solution to inequality, violence, and misery. When the likes of Paul shout: “We need freedom to choose!” we need to ask, “Yes, but freedom for whom?” Because the freedom to starve to death is the most dubious freedom of all.

Sherry Wolf is on the editorial board of the International Socialist Review. She can be reached at sherry@internationalsocialist.org. Read other articles by Sherry.

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  1. Pleefer Bunstostaazen said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:26am #

    A quick question about socialism. Did Chairman Mao live in the same squalor as the rest of China? Did Stalin? Lenin? Ho Chi Mihn? Castro? Or did they live in opulent palaces? It seems that your socialism is the winner at consolidating wealth. On paper it looks good though.

  2. Mark G., BBH, ME said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:37am #

    I feel like I just read a dissertation from Ellsworth Toohey. I think I did. Stand aside, we the people are the movers of the world, and you are a hindrance to progress.

    To think the collective is better than the individual is to deny your true self, the one who stands alone accountable for your own self. Dr. Paul is not racist, he thinks like many of us who would be free, your actions dictate who you are as people, there would still be accountability.

    It just would come from the people not a group of stuffed out of the loop foriegn globalist who seek to destroy the greatest experiment in human history, the USA. We kicked them out in 1776, we need to do it again.

  3. george said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:39am #

    Watch ron pauls recent interview online at abc. He easily retorts most of the challenges you’ve made against him. How can you be sure it won’t work when most of it hasnt been tried in 100 years? Maybe now that society has culturally progressed so far, it is time to reinstitute the beneficial ideals that the country was founded on. Not ones that promote racism or slavery. If your way is sticking with the status quo then the current crisis we face will only get worse. Lets actually try something new, not the Jimmy Carter way or the Clinton/Bush way. Inefficient wars and inefficient economies are bad for everyone.

  4. Sean said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:43am #

    As a preface, I consider myself a Jeffersonian/Conservative/Libertarian. I despise the “neo-cons” because they’re not conservative… for the most part I consider them “liberal” in the big government sense of the word.

    I think your commentary only shows that the real “left” is nothing but a party/faction bent on destroying the Constitution and the federal system of government (granted, the federal system was finally wiped out by the left in the early 20th century). Leftists such as yourself, one can imply from this commentary, wish to further consolidate power and authority in the central government, doing even greater violence to Article I Section 8 and the 10th Amendment.

    I happen to think people on the left are severely misguided on most policy issues, and they believe that individuals are merely, to quote a Supreme Court justice, “instrumentalities of the state,” however, I believe lefties should be able to destroy themselves and their governments at the state and local levels, but not at the federal level.

    Ron Paul wants to return power to the states and the people, allowing them to govern themselves more democratically. If people want abortion to be legal, do it democratically. Since any authority/jurisdiction over issues such as abortion were never “delegated” to the fed via the Constitution, those powers are reserved to the states and the people. The Supreme Court broke the law usurped that power with Roe. They had no business even hearing the case.

    I don’t really care much about abortion, but that’s one example of why I like Ron Paul and the Constitution. Dr. Paul isn’t your typical arrogant leftist or neo-con who wishes to impose his views upon the entire nation. He realizes that the Constitution leaves these issues to the states. You mention minimum wage laws. I think they do a lot of harm, and probably more harm that good. I think people should decide state by state whether they want minimum wage laws. I don’t want the fed imposing these rules (and uniformity) on everyone, and besides, that power was never delegated to the fed via the Constitution… and don’t get me started on how the Supreme Court butchered the commerce clause.

    In conclusion, a socialist state could exist within a free union of states; but a free state cannot exist within a socialist nation. Hopefully lefties will figure this out someday.

  5. art said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:52am #

    I’m sorry, but your analysis is flawed at several points.

    For example, when you infer that eliminating the department of education means that children will be homeschooled. That is rediculous and ignorant. STATES and LOCAL COMMUNITIES have better understandings of how to teach their children. Or perhaps you LIKE having GEORGE BUSH and the federal government telling you what and how children should learn?

    It’s all about returning power to the people and taking it away from a distant, central place.

    Another flaw is when you ignorantly accuse Dr. Paul of positions that would let companies pollute at will. This is nonsense. Try using logic and reason instead of crazy, lazy logical leaps in your arguements.

    Companies cannot pollute because waterways are owned by the people and thus the government, as the lawmaking aspect of the people, can regulate how public assets are used.

    And this is just the beginning of a critique into your arguement.

    Please, PLEASE read more and use better logic because you look like a fool and spread disinformation. You should be better than that and you CAN be if you try.

    Please reconsider Ron Paul!

  6. Tron Denver said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:52am #

    How do you stick it to the man? Not by giving the man more centralized power, thats for sure. big government enables tyrants, thats why Bush has grown the government so much.

    “Freedom to starve to death”
    Just like the good people of the former USSR had the non-freedom to starve to death. Boy, how insulting is this? I guess there will always be a rift between statists like the author and personal freedom advocates. Even if you love the thought of an all-powerful state taking care of everyone, I’m afraid you will always be let down. Look at Katrina. This is seductive but dangerously utopian thinking. Personal liberty means personal responsibility. Actually, in all fairness Ron Paul is not going to pull the safety net out from under people who already dependent on the 0government. Nobody is advocating that. If you love socialism, move to Europe, their governments will be happy to confiscate 75% of the fruits of your labor. But let the world keep it’s last bastion of liberty, the good old US of A.

    By the way, socialists, there is no need reject Ron Paul, he has already rejected socialism, as has history and empirical observation.

  7. Scott said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:54am #

    “But leftists must unequivocally reject…”

    The mistake the author makes is to command the reader as to what he or she “must” do. I’m sure the readers of this publication are intelligent people who can gather evidence and make up their own minds as to whom they should support.

    As for Paul’s positions… many people still do not understand that the most substantial creator of poverty is our monetary system. The federal government has created a system where it can steal the value of the few dollars the poor and middle class actually have in order to fund welfare and warfare. Paul is the only candidate I hear discussing the issue. I’ve come to believe that this issue must be priority one at this time in our history, or we are destined to suffer the same fate as history’s empires which followed the same course to their demise. I will happily disagree with Paul on a few other points to get this addressed. The president is no dictator, and so we shouldn’t live in fear that each and every one of a candidate’s positions will become law the moment he or she takes office. Many of the things the author is afraid of simply would not happen, because the president has no such power without the full support of Congress. Fortunately, Ron Paul is the only candidate I hear talking about reducing the power of the executive branch to the level the Constitution allows, and restore balance to our three-branch government.

  8. Nathan Warren said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:54am #

    As a supporter of Ron Paul I find it disingenuous to assume that “left wing” supporters of Ron Paul don’t know where he stands on the issues, but since your piece was saturated with inaccuracies and blatant libel, I can only assume you don’t care what the truth is.

    The fact is Ron Paul (and me and hundreds of thousands of other people) disagree with your philosophy. Maybe we’re wrong, maybe you’re wrong, but debate the issues. If you can prove that giving aid to Africa, for example, hasn’t kept nearly the entire continent in the third world, or that the UN is in fact a government elected by the people, or that free-market capitalism doesn’t work, be my guest.

    Ron Paul is not a racist. Neither was Ayn Rand. I leave you with words written by Ron Paul himself.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html

    “The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity. In a free market, businesses that discriminate lose customers, goodwill, and valuable employees – while rational businesses flourish by choosing the most qualified employees and selling to all willing buyers. More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct what is essentially a sin of the heart, we should understand that reducing racism requires a shift from group thinking to an emphasis on individualism.”

  9. Eric Sundwall said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:57am #

    ‘ But libertarianism is no radical political solution to inequality, violence, and misery.’

    Actually it is. If you took the time not to ascribe Ayn Rand to Paul you might get into the more solid contentions of the Austrian School of economics. Inequality is natural and can be addressed through voluntary association, not state violence.

    However you cut it, the Progressive solution still depends on the monopoly of state force (ie implicit violence). In terms of the issues, once the war is ended, you can rationalize your redistributive violence as you like without foreign countries being occupied.

  10. Yezu said on December 13th, 2007 at 6:13am #

    The title on your site says “a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice”.
    Could you explain, please, what is the difference between your “social justice” and just “justice”?
    Simple logic tells that something which is different then the justice is NOT JUSTICE, so accordingly - “social justice” is NOT A JUSTICE at all.
    Using new phraseological expressions does not make your site a radical.
    Also UNLOGICAL “discussion” with Ron Paul’s principles does not make any sense to me as I had been living for over 30 years in a political system you are describing and supporting … It just does not work.

  11. Anders said on December 13th, 2007 at 6:39am #

    It is amazing that socialists traitors are allowed to have a voice in our society. While the Soviet Union is dead, it is alive and well in AmeriKa.
    Maybe Sherry Wolf should look up the definition of a true liberal.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

    “Pure food and drug laws curtail profits and mandate tests as they protect the general public.”

    Are you kidding me? The drug companies have the FDA bought and paid for and fix prices in the United States. There was a bill to ban all nutritional supplements and vitamins that failed in congress 6 months ago. Any inexpensive options are overlooked or banned by the FDA, and the homeopathic leftists know this.

    Only the United States still produces massive amounts of new drugs and subsidizes “free health care” countries by underpricing them and making you, the American pay the difference. For example, a drug company could want 1$ a pill to cover research and marketing costs. It would charge Canada .25 a pill and Americans .75 a pill. How many drugs have socialist European countries and Canada created in the past ? Next to zero.

    “So if the chairman of Dow Chemical wants to flush his company’s toxic effluence into rivers and streams, so be it. If General Motors wants to pay its employees starvation wages, that’s their right too.”

    This is absurd. The individuals harmed by a companies environmental pollution would sue the company involved. Yes, General Motors has the right to pay their employees starvation wages, just as you have the right not to work there. Minimum wage is starvation wage, and the massive influx of illegals isn’t helping the matter.

    “Paul wants to abolish the Department of Education and, in his words, “end the federal education monopoly” by eliminating all taxes that go toward public education and “giving educational control back to parents.” Which parents would those be? Only those with the leisure time, educational training, and temperament commensurate with home schooling! Whatever real problems the U.S. education system suffers from–and there are many–eliminating 99 percent literacy rates that generations of public education has achieved and tossing the children of working parents out of the schools is not an appealing or viable option.”

    Since the ’60’s productivity in the schools have dropped 70%. The often heard saying that Americans are lazy and stupid is unfortunately true. Public education has never achieved 99% literacy rates, or even close to that. As high as 1/5 of Americans are functionally illiterate. Illiteracy could not be found in the early colonies, and their education was the best in the world. Our current education model was adopted from the Prussians, who used it to create good slave/soldiers who would do what they are told. Half of high school graduates cannot even read their own diploma and you think that public education has ever worked?

    Socialists hate homeschooling because they abhor freedom. They have no opposition to keeping the populace stupid for their own agendas. “Free” public education is Plank #10 in the Communist Manifesto. With Pauls plan to get rid of the income tax, most Americans will be able to afford a private school education, which minorities support in higher percentages than whites, due to the fact that they typically enjoy the worst schools.

    “The problem doesn’t lie with some abstract construct, “government,” the problem is that the actual class dynamics of governments under capitalism amount to taxing workers and the poor in lieu of the rich and powerful corporations and spending those resources on wars, environmental devastation, and the enrichment of a tiny swath of society at the expense of the rest of us.”

    Do not include yourself in “the rest of us”, as I am sure you are living quite large. The last time I checked, the corporations have the congress and the president/vice president bought and paid for. I would rather see a government that is separate from corporate America, not owned by it.

    Maybe you are forgetting the biggest tax on the middle class and poor, inflation. To pay for all your socialist programs, there is a currenty 13% inflation rate which is bankrupting Americans who are already having a hard time making ends meet. Look around you, the tiny swath already is taking advantage of the rest of us, and they are already in power, both Democrats and Republicans.

    “Because at its core, the fetishism of individualism that underlies libertarianism leads to the denial of rights to the very people most radicals aim to champion: workers, immigrants, Blacks, women, gays, and any group that lacks the economic power to impose their individual rights on others.”

    Apparently words like “liberty”, “individualism”, and “freedom” don’t appeal to statists like Sherry. The democrats haven’t fought for blacks or workers in a long time.

    Are we in Orwell’s 1984 where peace is war and freedom is slavery? Programs like affirmative action are government sanctioned racism, because they reward one race based on the color of their skin, their gender, or their sexual orientation. The role of government is to protect individuals, not groups.

    Apparently Sherry Wolf can’t see past which “minority” group a person is in, and she likes to lump people into stereotypes. I would argue the author is a racist who hates individual liberty.

    I voted Democrat in ‘04 (I am a paleoconservative and Jim Webb was a pretty conservative democrat) in the hopes that they would get us out of the war.

    Not only did they break their promises, they actively continued funding the war and have their sights set on Iran.

    It is time for real leadership in ‘08 and people are waking up to the fact that both parties are two sides of the same coin. Freedom will always triumph over socialism and tyranny.

    Ron Paul 2008!

  12. Max Shields said on December 13th, 2007 at 7:27am #

    Ron Paul raises the question: what is a “leftist”. Why are we so certain of our terms after all these years of inept economics and total failure from all sides of the political spectrum as birthed from the French Revolution and tweaked by Marx and the various flavors of socialism?

    Libertarians have never put their singular approach to governance of any nation (check me on this: or state/region) to the test of reality. Paul represents a fairly conservative, purist strain of Libertarianism. Anarchists would find much in common with what he holds to be the fairest and most reasonable condition for humanity to live within. Is it the ultimate statelessness that Marx contemplated we were inevitably heading (if we just took the linear steps)?

    The whole notion of left and right collapses on true, honest scrutiny as each is taken to its “conclusion”. That is why a set of values and principles should frame the discussion of governance and economics. Paul raises some important questions and they should be debated on their own merit not on the narrow merits of an illegal war in Iraq and Afganistan - which do represent the corporate state that we live in today, but cloud the real debate that is shrouded in politico double speak and talking points for the “masses”.

    What is human nature and are we are on a destructive course? Are we saveable? A new politics, a new economics that emerges from what we as living beings in a living environment appears to be what’s called for.

    Paul at bottom strikes at the core, highlighting the individual which is antithetical to what we understand life itself to consist of. Life is a network, a collective web that emerges, non-linearly. There is no predomination of the individual entity in nature. And this is where, with all his “good talk” about our horrid foreign policy, Paul comes out - his is a world where MAN rules supreme, where the INDIVIDUAL is the PRINCIPLE, the VALUE. This is fine on paper, like all the other isms, but its unsustainable in a natural world order.

  13. AlanSmithee said on December 13th, 2007 at 8:45am #

    I am sick-unto-death of self appointed political doctrine enforcers telling me what I “must” do. Sherry, take your dogma and jam it. Nobody is under the impression that Paul is the platonic ideological ideal. But, unlike the every single republicrat running for office, Paul has guts and guts is enough.

  14. gerald spezio said on December 13th, 2007 at 9:05am #

    Yabut, when the nurturing Goddess arrives, we will all come together in solidarity with the old wisdom and do a big ghost dance with plenty good smoke.

  15. Bizzy said on December 13th, 2007 at 10:10am #

    I’m seeing alot of people rush to defend Mr. Paul … particularly stuck on the charge of racism. I wonder if these people didn’t take the time to read the ensuing paragraphs.

    Ron Paul should be applauded for his stance against the Iraq war and occupation, but the author is completely right that a full, broader look at this man’s statements and positions leaves much to be desired.

    Sherry isn’t telling anyone what to do … she’s asking us to take another look. I’m shocked from reading some of these angry reflexive responses, it just doesn’t make sense. Do the Paul supporters agree with creating a fortress America to keep out immigrants? Are they on board with a totally unfettered and unrestricted movement of capital and investment and profit seeking?

    As for the question of our economic system … It’s funny because the libertarian doesn’t realize that the very existence of corporations, their favorable tax status and rights, are due to a powerful federal state which offers unique rights to and recognizes these organizations nationwide. The libertarian will ask for an end to welfare, and end to public schools, an end to unions and government imposed minimum wage … but they won’t connect the inherent government assistance that capital and industry receive in this way. Rugged individualism and competition at the bottom, but assistance and collusion at the top… These types of enactments (under a profit system) will do nothing but benefit wealthy owners of capital and employers … This is her point, as I see it, and it’s a very valid one.

  16. Binh said on December 13th, 2007 at 12:19pm #

    Vote for Paul if you like laissez faire capitalism! Hooray for sweatshops and child labor!

    It’s too bad no one attacking Wolf lived through the 1930s or the economic collapse in Asia in 1998 or Argentina in 2000, which is exactly the kind of thing Paul’s policies would lead to.

  17. Francine said on December 13th, 2007 at 1:02pm #

    “It’s too bad no one attacking Wolf lived through the 1930s or the economic collapse in Asia in 1998 or Argentina in 2000, which is exactly the kind of thing Paul’s policies would lead to.”

    Those were caused by socialist or state-monopoly enonomic practices not free market, the 1930s in the u.s. was caused by practices of the recently put together Fed Reserve and it’s fiat monetary policy. please read a history book and maybe an economic one while you are at.

  18. Max Shields said on December 13th, 2007 at 1:05pm #

    While I think Paul’s (and those of conservative libertarians in general)ideas need to be held up to real scrutiny I’d refrain from hyperbole.

    Our economics has been so distorted by the 1900 neo-classical economics that launched the huge concentration of wealth, and the concentration of centralized governments and financial institutions that we lose sight of what’s been crushed and destroyed. In this Paul has something to say, but the ideology deserves real hard scrutiny beyond the superficial, which is all we get in 30 second sound bites and mindless politics as usual. Responding in kind doesn’t further the conversation.

  19. Francine said on December 13th, 2007 at 1:05pm #

    “Vote for Paul if you like laissez faire capitalism! Hooray for sweatshops and child labor!” Yes, because the capitalist U.S. has sweatshops and child labor while Leftist China does not…. Austrian economics doesn’t lead to poor working conditions, state monopoly and corporatism do, please read up on Von Mises and Why the Nazis drove him out of Corporatist Germany.

  20. The Fanonite said on December 13th, 2007 at 1:28pm #

    Supporters of Ron Paul who show up to protests should have their reactionary conclusions challenged, not embraced.

    Yep. They must all divulge their views on abortion before they are allowed to protest a genocidal war that claims more innocent lives by the passing minute. Don’t know about others, but I detect the racism and low regard for Iraqi life in the statements of these enforcers of dogma, which I can’t in any of Ron Paul’s public statements.

    The sort of Left-Right alliance Frank advocates is not only opportunistic but is also a repellent to creating the multiracial working-class movement that is sorely needed of we are to end this war.

    And this ‘multiracial working-class movement’ will be created presumably the day after the revolutionary proletariat overthrows capitalist tyranny? I have a better idea: It might be a long wait, so lets just tell the Iraqis to drop dead instead.

    According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, liberal maverick and Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich told supporters in late November he was thinking of making Ron Paul his running mate if he were to get the nomination.

    Sounds like a terrific idea. Kucinich-Paul 2008 — where do I sign up?

  21. HR said on December 13th, 2007 at 2:02pm #

    Thanks Ms. Wolf for your article. And to discouraged progressives who are jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon, I suggest that you read the Libertarian Party platform. It calls for privatization of everything, including public lands, schools, and the Post Office (you think 41 cents is high, just wait until private “industry” steps in.

    Republo/libertarians both want the same thing for this country: a feudal state where we common folks exist only to serve the needs of the wealthy.

    Come on folks, use the brain that evolved for your survival. Don’t fall for a one-issue wonder like Ron Paul … ’cause if you do, you’ll get just exactly what you deserve, while dragging the rest of us down with you.

  22. Peter LaVenia said on December 13th, 2007 at 2:37pm #

    Sherry, thank you for exposing Paul for the right-wing ideologue he is. I do not think he is a terrible person, but that, except in the area of the war where those of us on the left and those on the right are in agreement, he is diametrically opposed to everything those of us on the far left support. I salute him for his consistency in belief and voting record, but cannot support his candidacy.

  23. The Fanonite said on December 13th, 2007 at 2:43pm #

    Come on folks, use the brain that evolved for your survival. Don’t fall for a one-issue wonder like Ron Paul … ’

    Yes folks, don’t let any Iraqi life get in the way of this guy’s socialized post office.

    And then they accuse Paul of racism!

  24. Max Shields said on December 13th, 2007 at 2:58pm #

    HR I think you have a good point regarding privatization, but the so-called “left” is the flip side of that coin. Rather than simply argue against libertarianism, I think we should be putting forth ideas that we know work. What amazes me is that we live under conditions which are so failed and there are clear headed solutions. But instead of realizing those, we are given faux solutions like privatization which proves every day to be part of the problem.

    Perhaps Paul is not even the best proponent of libertarianism. The term itself gets in the way of clear headed problem solving which is what we really need rather than the banter of left and right. Since our terms are never defined and agreed to, we just go round in circles.

  25. hp said on December 13th, 2007 at 3:32pm #

    Without even reading this article (except for the title), I’ll bet I can guess the ONE real reason this woman fears Ron Paul. And so can everyone else..

  26. Jake said on December 13th, 2007 at 3:36pm #

    Yay! Lets continue to borrow 3 billion a day to fund our nanny state. I need my kids to become workers, not thinkers, so lets keep the government involved in education. I want the WTO to tell me what I can and cant take when it comes to medicine . Id like a regional union to override the US Constitution. Id like to hand over all my guns to the first cop with a fully automatic rifle. Id like to just sit in a lazy boy all day and pee all over myself and not have any self responsibility in my life. Lets continue to let the government take care of us cause they’re doing a fabulous job. Equal rights doesnt mean special rights!

  27. Andrew said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:16pm #

    I think the comments above from Paul supporters are pretty representative of the sort of political elements most revved-up about Paul’s campaign.

    For those who think unity with such people, rather than building on our own principles, is what the Left needs…well, to summarize Lenin, have fun going off into that swamp but please don’t try to drag the rest of us with you.

  28. Deadbeat said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:29pm #

    Put simply, he is a racist. Not the cross-burning, hood-wearing kind to be sure, but the flat Earth society brand that imagines a colorblind world where 500 years of colonial history and slavery are dismissed out of hand and institutional racism and policies under capitalism are imagined away

    Before the left begins to label anyone on the right a “racist” they need to take a good look at the “racists” on the “left” that have deliberately obscured the racist ideology of Zionism and its affects on U.S. society. The first case in point is the war in Iraq.

  29. Deadbeat said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:38pm #

    I detect the racism and low regard for Iraqi life in the statements of these enforcers of dogma, which I can’t in any of Ron Paul’s public statements.

    I agree wholeheartedly.

  30. Allan Stellar said on December 13th, 2007 at 5:42pm #

    I don’t think that there is anything wrong with working with others who question empire. Face it, our militarism is the number one issue here. And Ron Paul eloquently critiques the American Empire. For this, and this alone, he deserves our vote.

    He is the most exciting candidate this election cycle. For the few thousand “breeding pairs” left of the Left…I think helping out our Libertarian brothers and sisters is in order.

    Ron Paul is the most rational protest vote this election cycle.

    Yes, I’d rather have my protest vote be for the Green Party. It’s unfortunate that now that almost everyone is Green, we don’t have a viable Green Candidate to pick up the banner? Where can we find a Green Bobby Kennedy for 2012?

  31. dan elliott said on December 13th, 2007 at 6:26pm #

    “I am not now nor have I ever been a member of” or even attracted to any Trotskyist organization; also I have serious reservations re the ISO stance vis a vis “The Lobby”/ZPC, at least as I understand said Party position.

    However I find I’m in total agreement with everything the author has to say in this article, so let me offer my congratulations and hearty thanks to Ms. Wolf for a job well done on a problem that has been festering.

    In passing, let me say that I’m just amazed at the kind of rightwingers who seem to be haunting what I assumed to be a more or less “left” e-mag/news source. At the proper time we hardcore Radicals can make common cause with all kinds of people, but it doesn’t help to have them interrupting the conversation with nonsense when we’re trying to get our own selves together.

    Thanks again, Ms. W: you can put me on your mailing list anytime:)

    Dan Elliott
    Sactomato

  32. Patrick Henry said on December 13th, 2007 at 8:14pm #

    “A cursory look at Paul’s positions, beyond his opposition to the war and the Patriot Act, would make any leftist cringe.
    Put simply, he is a racist. “
    Perhaps if you took more than a “cursory look” you would have seen that those comments weren’t made by Ron Paul.
    “Here we come up against the limits of libertarianism; Paul wants a strong state to secure the borders, but he wants all social welfare expenditures eliminated for those within them. “

    Ron Paul is not a libertarian, he is a republican and thus he is running as a Republican.

    “Whatever real problems the U.S. education system suffers from–and there are many–eliminating 99 percent literacy rates that generations of public education has achieved and tossing the children of working parents out of the schools is not an appealing or viable option. “

    I literally laughed out for perhaps half a minute or more when I read this line. 99 percent literacy rates in American public schools? I figure you aren’t joking, so did you make that number up or do you have a source for that?

    Libertarians like Paul are for removing any legislative barriers that may restrict business owners’ profits, but are openly hostile to alleviating economic restrictions that oppress most workers. Only a boss could embrace this perverse concept of “freedom.”

    I’m a worker, not a boss, living paycheck to paycheck. My boss doesn’t impose economic restrictions on me – I would make far more but the government takes some whopping 35 percent or more of my pay – and I don’t even make 12 bucks an hour in Silicon Valley! That’s a harsh economic restriction that is severely oppressing me.

    “Libertarians, using pseudo-iconoclastic logic, transform this comical send-up of religious conformity into their own secular dogma in which we are all just atomized beings. “Only an individual has rights,” not groups such as workers, Blacks, gays, women, and minorities, Ron Paul argues. True, we are all individuals, but we didn’t just bump into one another. Human beings by nature are social beings who live in a collective, a society. Under capitalism, society is broken down into classes in which some individuals–bosses, for example–wield considerably more power than others–workers.”

    Society is not a collective – it is a group formed by individuals exercising their right to associate. There are no rights that belong to a group. Nor is society broken down into classes divided by levels of power in capitalism – that is communistic dogma and theory. In addition, bosses do not have more power than their workers, for if a boss mistreats their workers the workers will either work poorly or quit and the boss will lose money, their job, or the business.

    “To advocate for society to be organized on the basis of strict individualism, as libertarians do, is to argue that everyone has the right to do whatever he or she wants. Sounds nice in the abstract, perhaps.”

    That is a gross oversimplification and mis-characterization of libertarianism. Everyone has the right to do what they want with their own life, liberty, and property. No one has the right to do what they want with another person’s life, liberty, or property. Those are the two principles of liberty and the law that are universal throughout our world regardless of the word, decree, statute, bill, or other work of people.

    “But what happens when the desires of one individual infringe on the desires of another? Libertarians like Paul don’t shy away from the logical ramifications of their argument. “The dictatorial power of a majority” he argues ought to be replaced by the unencumbered power of individuals–in other words, the dictatorial power of a minority.”

    That is an outright lie. Paul is a constitutional republican. Since each individual has rights no group, be it a minority or a majority, can disable those rights. The only dictatorial power that anyone has a right to exercise is that they exercise over themselves. Each and every person is reigns sovereign over their own life, liberty, and property.

    “So if the chairman of Dow Chemical wants to flush his company’s toxic effluence into rivers and streams, so be it. “

    Strawman argument, and a poor one. There is a clear violation of other people’s right to life, liberty, and property by dumping hazardous waste into the environment. That is a crime.

    “If General Motors wants to pay its employees starvation wages, that’s their right too.”

    Those employees would leave, work very poorly, and or starve to death. Any company that screws their employees ends up doing very poorly in the long run.

    ‘Right-wing libertarians often appear to not want to grapple with meddlesome things like economic and social power. As the bourgeois radical Abraham Lincoln observed of secessionist slaveowners, “The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of other people.” ‘

    If I agree to work for a dollar a day then I will be enslaving myself for I would have to agree to such a thing and then follow up on that agreement. Paul advocates putting each individual in charge of their own life. It is obvious you favor putting the government in charge of people’s lives, as did the terrible tyrant Abraham Lincoln you quote. Lincoln may have freed the black slaves but he enslaved the entire nation and all races and classes by establishing the beginnings of the federal government as we know it.

    “In fact, the libertarians’ opposition to the government, or the state if you will, is less out of hostility to what the state actually does than who is running it. Perhaps this explains Paul’s own clear contradiction when it comes to abortion, since his opposition to government intervention stops at a woman’s uterus.”

    Paul’s opposition to abortion starts at a humans life. I disagree with him that states should prohibit abortion but I do believe they should be able to do so.

    “But freedom for socialists has always been about more than the right to choose masters.”

    Fascinating statement. Are you consciously aware of the fact and actually publicly advocating for the socialist desire to enslave humanity? Wow. Still amazed at that line. You think people should choose masters to rule over them?

    “Given the odious practices of governments under capitalism, their repugnant financial priorities, and bilking of the lower classes through taxation it’s hardly surprising that libertarians get a hearing.”

    We don’t have a capitalist society – we don’t have free markets – we don’t have free trade. Just the theft from the non-wealthy masses alone means this isn’t a capitalist society. It’s a mixture of socialism, fascism, democracy, and a few other inherently corrupt methods of government.

    “Can any working-class perspective seriously assert that we have too much government involvement in providing health care?”

    I’m a working class man. I have no health care. I can’t afford health care. If the government hadn’t been meddling with health care for many decades it would still be possible for me to afford health care. Yes, we absolutely have far too much government involvement for healthcare. I pay into Medicare but can’t pay for a dentist. I make enough to get by and the government takes it and spends it on programs that are supposed to fix the problem that is caused by their action.

    “Too much oversight of the environment, food production, and workplace safety?”

    Yes, absolutely, as well as too little oversight. Far too many examples of ridiculous requirements that are very expensive for all three categories of government oversight that are even more horrible when compared to the outrageous practices that the government ignores.

    “Would anyone seriously consider hopping a flight without the certainty of national, in fact international, air traffic control?”

    Yes, and I even consider (and sometimes do) driving down the highway without a seatbelt on!

    “Of course not. The problem doesn’t lie with some abstract construct, “government,” the problem is that the actual class dynamics of governments under capitalism amount to taxing workers and the poor in lieu of the rich and powerful corporations and spending those resources on wars, environmental devastation, and the enrichment of a tiny swath of society at the expense of the rest of us.”

    That’s not capitalism – it’s socialism-fascism. The majority of money raised by taxation does flow to the wealthy elite, but your article completely ignores the many large programs including Social Security and Medicare in which the workers and poor people are taxed heavily for no benefit in order to waste these resources on people who failed to provide for themselves. The likes of the Bush clan favor taxing me and spending it on war, you favor taxing me and spending it on someone else’s health care other than my own, what you share in common is that’s okay to steal my my money and spend it on _____, which of course is a really great cause that justifies taking my paycheck and my ability to feed, cloth, house, and take care of myself. The only difference between y’all is that you disagree on what to spend the loot on – but you share in common with George Bush that it is right to take what is mine away from me by force and spend it on another person for your own reasons. You are both thieves quibbling about what to spend the stolen goods on.

    “Ron Paul argues, “Government by majority rule has replaced strict protection of the individual from government abuse. Right of property ownership has been replaced with the forced redistribution of wealth and property.” Few folks likely to be reading this publication will agree that we actually live in a society where wealth and property are expropriated from the rich and given to workers and the poor.”

    Ron Paul wouldn’t agree with that statement either – nor did he make it in that quote or any other. That is an oversimplification – in this land all classes are taxed and only some groups, particularly the extremely weathy and the extremely poor, are given welfare and subsidies.

    “Because the freedom to starve to death is the most dubious freedom of all”

    Without risk and danger there is no point to life or living. The “boss” you speak of is the government, the “worker” that is oppressed is the American citizen. The freedom to starve to death is the result of the greatest thing of all – life, and it’s necessary precursors – liberty and property. The entitlement to food, to medical care, to corporate welfare, to individual welfare, to wage war and reap the profits, is the result of the worst thing of all - the theft of other people’s life, liberty, and property. What you advocate, as does the likes of Bush or Clinton, is the opposite of what is good and right and legal – death, tyranny, and theft.

    I could respond at much greater length but I have no real interest in battling Marxists. At least some or even many of your points I didn’t respond to are actually dead on and you appear to be intelligent, but it would appear that the false faith in stealing to solve the world’s problems has corrupted your thinking severely. Best of luck and I hope you discover the impossibility, immorality, and illegality of socialism/anything but libertarianism. You may do what you want with what is yours, but do not touch me or what is mine, or anyone else’s without their permission. That is the golden rule, the universal morality and legality. It is really quite very simple. What is right is yours, and what is wrong is someone else’s. I may be wrong but I do believe I learned that in kindergarten.

    http://www.constitution.org

    http://www.RonPaul2008.com

  33. agnostic said on December 13th, 2007 at 9:39pm #

    “Politics like nature, abhors a vacuum”

    Best part of the whole piece.

    Associating Greenspan and Friedman with Paul is misleading. They and the Orwellian-named Federal Reserve System are repeatedly lambasted on websites supporting the Paul strain of libertarianism.

    One of the commenters mentioned the connection between our monetary system and the warfare state. Also its connection to poverty and inflation.

    In spite of its name, the Federal Reserve system isn’t even a part of the government. It is owned by private bankers.

    Looks like a good place for people to direct their scrutiny.

  34. Kevin Riley O'Keeffe said on December 14th, 2007 at 12:56am #

    Ordinarily, I’d like to limit myself to constructive criticism, but nearly every word of that article was insincere sophistry and frankly dishonest crap. The idea that an anti-war movement in this country will gain strength by eschewing the Ron Paul campaign is ludicrous in the extreme, as should be self-evident to any rational person, irrespective of their own personal ideological passions. The woman who wrote it is merely afraid that a successful anti-war movement might come about, and that her (very) small cadre of Politically Correct, quasi-Bolshevist hacks won’t be in charge of it. Better to have a failed and almost irrelevant anti-war movement, so long as people like her remain in charge, apparently. I voted for Ralph Nader in 2004, and I switched my registration from Democrat to Republican just this week, in order to vote for Ron Paul in the February 5th California primary election. I have some views which are associated with the left (such as opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as support for environmental protection, and fair trade over free trade), and some that are associated with the right (opposition to abortion, and support for both the Second Amendment and securing our southern border). I frankly have no need nor desire to be disparaged as some sort of racist bigot and irrational stooge, merely because I see an opportunity for meaningful progress towards a better America with the Ron Paul campaign. Its very telling that nowhere in her article does she suggest an alternative to the Paul campaign (perhaps because there so obviously isn’t one, with all due respect to Rep. Kucinich - for whom I voted in the 2004 Democratic primary - and Sen. Gravel, both of whom I’m sure are very nice and well-meaning men, they clearly aren’t a factor in 2008, whereas Ron Paul is).

  35. Merk said on December 14th, 2007 at 1:49am #

    This article is outstanding ‘home school’ material on how brainwashed some people are into believing the USA is only big enough for two opinions: ‘right’ and ‘left’… anything else is just too scary to be taken objectively, one MUST step in line with the rest of the left / right sheep, and their failed values.

    The message here: don’t think for yourself, let the DNC / RNC do it. Great material for the kids, thanks.

  36. Naturboy said on December 14th, 2007 at 5:51am #

    This is really interesting, the more I read about Paul’s platform, the more i find these ‘Paulies’ are like some sort of faith-healing mega-church cult.

    A few more links to help temper the invasion of the ‘Paul-bots’:

    1: Why Did Ron Paul Vote Against Impeachment? By Manila Ryce
    2: Ron Paul’s Radical Views
    3: Ron Paul Goes After The Coveted Unabomber Vote
    4: Chomsky in Znet sustainers forum responding to an argument for Ron Paul

    This idea that ‘freedom’ and ‘liberty’ means some extremist frontier where people should again have the right to do whatever they want with their property with no regulation, means say goodbye to the endangered species act (which is the only thing saving anything at the moment).

    The entire Rocky Mountains can now become an open-pit, cyanide-leaching gold-mine, and the whole of West Virginia would be one big mountain-top removal coal-factory, the very last of the Marbled Murrelet habitat which is the only thing preventing Maxxam from clearcutting the very last of the 3% of old growth forests on private lands, will be devastated, and the abandonment of the Clean Water Act would mean all those steep areas could be logged with no fear of reprisal when the streams and rivers are clogged with silt from the clear-cuts, flooding and forcing evacuations of towns.

    Paul supports a free market on steroids. Do not people see that the ‘market’ does not ‘police’ itself? Leave people to pursue free trade entirely unchecked, and what you have is a far worse and more abusive corporatocracy than we presently have metastasizing and consuming the globe.

    You can’t build ‘liberty’ by indulging in a cult of isolationism, greed and selfishness. You don’t have to be a socialist nor communist to see that typical human nature combined with unchecked free-trade and rampant capitalism do not make a good mix. The most power-mongering sociopaths among us in industry and finance will just exploit this ‘liberty’ as we so sadly see today. And Paul want’s to give them even more chance to abuse that upon which all life depends! Regulating the abuse of the environment is not a restriction that violates our best interest. Paul is an extremist, there’s no middle ground in his analysis of human nature, an analysis proven entirely wrong by present and past environmental, corporate, and financial abuse.

    Look what the S&L’s and Sub-prime lenders did in such an already deeply regulated industry as banking! Imagine you wiped clean any remaining regulation—the people who are so aggressive that they rise to levels of corporate monarchy, will always be there, unless you effectively regulate them on a national and global scale, those wackos will take over and further abuse us all! Maybe the Paulbots know this, hence their desire for more ‘liberty’.

    Yes there are elements of Paul’s anti-war stance that are attractive, coming from a republican. But Paul completely failed to walk his talk when he voted to kill the impeachment resolution. If he really believed what he preaches about the shredding of the constitution, then he should have been an activist for impeachment, not a monkey-wrencher in this one fail-safe installed by the founders for just such a war-criminal predicament as we now face!

    Paul’s party-line play on the impeachment vote completely undermines his entire anti-war/pro constitution posturing, which was his only redeeming value.

    Since then Paul has tried to debunk global climate change– just a preview, folks, of how he feels about our god-given right to blindly abuse the environment. After all god put trees on this earth so you could build yer house, and he put the other animals here for us to slaughter and evict into extinction and/or enslave, right??

    The entire balance of paul’s position can be summed up as: Personal and corporate profits at the expense of everyone and everything else.

    Beyond that he’s another manic gun-rights kook, as if arming the populace will bring on peace and security– didn’t we try that in the O.K. Corral Daze? How can you be a doctor and support the greater access to fire-arms after what’s gone on in the inner-cities these last two decades?? I highly question any supposed compassion which may have arisen from his medical practice if he’s so pro gun.

    It appears this is a major problem with Texans (or texan wannabes), they are so often these gun-totin’, ‘liberty or death’ militia-types. Even Ann Richards was a gun-totin’ sport-hunting miscreant. That’s one secessionist piece of unlivable desert that should have been given back to Mexico! (Along with all its wackos in Waco, Bush’s ranch, and the whole gun-totin’, cattle-rustlin’ Marlboro-man throw-back lot of ‘em).

    Talk about fear-mongering! Do people really imagine we’re under threat of military rule to the extent that we need to stockpile bazookas in underground militia-bunkers to fend off the feds who have been secretly poisoning us with airplane exhaust, and that we’re all gonna be masses of slaves to the Rothschildren hangin’ out in bohemian grove nude mud-wrestling with carl rove while sipping our blood thru straws rolled from the constitution?

    It’s a hyper-extremist vision they espouse, and it’s as manipulatively fear-mongering as any ‘terrorstorm’ science-fiction fantasy. Newsflash: This is not China, the people here are way too diverse to be run around like the third reich. They give conspiracies a bad name, alarming what would be proper progressives with hyperbole, and making it impossible to fight the real threats we face from the right wing war-criminal corporate elite we already have. We don’t need an even more extreme rightist paradigm taking over, and there is something really wrong with all these lemmings who think we do.

    Both Paul and Alex Jones do have interesting elements in their program (as does Marx, by the way, don’t toss an entire theory because some of it’s wrong). But beyond Jones’s 911 revelations, and Paul’s anti-war stance, these two are like crazy cultists leaders, their followers just ‘believing’ and massing behind them like some evangelist mega-church lemmings in the bible belt!

    Espousing personal liberty does NOT mean a stop to questioning ALL authority! There is a LOT wrong with these guys beyond their very limited attractive positions, yet their followers act like cultist devotees, not free-thinking libertarians!

    Study instead the Libertarian views of Noam Chomsky for a properly thought-through position. And for a genuinely anti-war candidate who is actually legislating against the goons on the hill, Kucinich is your man! And he doesn’t come with all this scary, armed militia ‘us against impending martial law ‘red-dawn’ mania.

    Dennis Kucinich is who all these Paulie panderers should be putting their energy behind!

  37. Max Shields said on December 14th, 2007 at 7:14am #

    Patrick Henry the debate should be around what the role of government is (or isn’t) in regard to taking and spending money earned from labor. I think no money should be taxed from either labor or capital. There is only one “perfect” means of obtaining revenue for running the nation (even more importantly the local school, social services, and operational costs of a municipality or township) and that’s LAND. Land in the economic sense of all that is not “man” made or that does not use capital and labor to produce it (air, air waves, oil, etc.) This is a tax (or rent on land use) which meets all the requires of fairness and brings to bear human rights across the globe in the form of a shared Common Heritage. And it stops the concentration of wealth with our failed sales/property/income triad of tax collection (for the poor and middle class) or evasion (for the wealthy).

    Where do the Libertarians stand on that? Well I don’t know if Paul thinks any form of government/revenue is legitimate which is why the real issue is WHAT DOES HE THINK the government should do? Should we have militias? Dismantle Social Security (over time I think he says) and Medicare?

    If Paul doesn’t believe in the statism (isn’t that the Libertarian principle?) and he wants to be President of one of the most debauched nation-states, what is it he plans to do in the white house (the white house isn’t in the constitution, btw)?

    My point, Mr. Henry, is that no one - I mean NO ONE, is debating Ron Paul on his terms. He’s marginalized by the MSM and so a non-player for the most part. His foreign policy is clear and converges with those of us who agree with a non-intervention policy. But beyond that? Because his “case” is one sided (again, NO ONE is debating his stands) the public is left with one salient point - he’s against the war. And perhaps a sense that he doesn’t believe in big government.

  38. agnostic said on December 14th, 2007 at 10:58am #

    That Paul voted to table the impeachment resolution is troubling. On the other hand, he was one of only 3 in his party voting to send it to the Judiciary Committee:

    Statement Regarding Impeachment of Vice President Cheney

    Ron Paul Speech to Congress

    November 6, 2007

    Mr. Speaker, I rise, reluctantly, in favor of the motion to table House Resolution 799, Impeaching Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors, and in favor of referring that resolution to the House Judiciary Committee for full consideration. I voted to table this resolution not because I do not share the gentleman from Ohio’s desire to hold those responsible for the Iraqi debacle accountable; but rather, because I strongly believe that we must follow established protocol in matters of such importance. During my entire time in Congress, I have been outspoken in my opposition to war with Iraq and Iran. I have warned my colleagues and the administration against marching toward war in numerous speeches over the years, and I have voted against every appropriation to continue the war on Iraq.

    I have always been strongly in favor of vigorous congressional oversight of the executive branch, and I have lamented our abrogation of these Constitutional obligations in recent times. I do believe, however, that this legislation should proceed through the House of Representatives following regular order, which would require investigation and hearings in the House Judiciary Committee before the resolution proceeds to the floor for a vote. This time-tested manner of moving impeachment legislation may slow the process, but in the long run it preserves liberty by ensuring that the House thoroughly deliberates on such weighty matters. In past impeachments of high officials, including those of Presidents Nixon and Clinton, the legislation had always gone through the proper committee with full investigation and accompanying committee report.

    I noted with some dismay that many of my colleagues who have long supported the war changed their vote to oppose tabling the motion for purely political reasons. That move was a disrespectful to the Constitutional function of this body and I could not support such actions with my vote.

    I was pleased that the House did vote in favor of sending this legislation to the Judiciary Committee, which essentially directs the committee to examine the issue more closely than it has done to this point.

  39. Naturboy said on December 14th, 2007 at 11:30am #

    Agnostic–
    I wouldn’t believe a word of it! He voted to table, that’s a vot to kill. If he honestly felt the ‘Iraq debacle’ needed to be ‘investigated’ he would have voted to debate then and there, as any lawmaker of integrity would have.

    There is no doubt that Paul voted to kill the bill based on party lines, and he also knew full well that John Conyers let the first iteration of this bill languish in the circular file, and would do the same with the ‘privileged’ vote.

    Why John Conyers won’t pursue the bill is anyone’s guess, but I only remind everyone about the tragedy of Senator Paul Wellstone, and the mysterious manner in which his plane incredulously sorta evaporated off the radar and ‘crashed’ in mid-air.

    (But then if Conyers, the great proponent of Dr. King, has fears of foul play to the extent that he’s inhibited from allowing the country to achieve requisite justice, then he should STEP ASIDE and let more capable congresspersons with cajones handle the matter).

    Ron Paul is here above LYING. Anyone who can support Ron Paul after that bogus bunch of bunk quoted above is thereby allying themselves with fraud, party-pandering beltway bull-caca, and has no interest in the constitution nor the rule of law.

    Does anyone ever mention that Ron Paul loves the “Patriots” AKA Timothy McVeigh, as in our genuine domestic terrorist of all time?

    These people are a bunch of gun-totin’ liars, who espouse silly science on global warming, and as such should be BANNED.

    The fact that so many amerigoons are suckered into supporting his preposterous positions means that amerigoons are just a mutated bunch of white-bred mutants. If they’re not lining up in great toothless brain-dead flocks behind Jimmy Swaggart, they’re stacking their chips on a goon-squad of dispensationalist ‘end-times’ miscreants who believe the hasids must return to isreal to bring about the second coming (aka bush i & 2, reagan, et. al).

    And if that’s all disproven and out of style, the faith-healing, mullet-headed masses from the toothless hollers of Deliverance will follow Ron Paul and Alex Jones (all due respect to yer 911 discoveries, mr. jones) into some gun-totin’ militia cave where the second amendment translates ‘arms’ into bazookas, missile launchers and hand grenades.

    Imagine if these Hatfields and McCoys went at each other with real weapons instead of paint-ball guns? We won’t be facing any armed crackdown by the feds, we’ll be runnin’ from the rednecks back to the upper left side!

    Ron Paul is a KOOK, don’t buy his ultra-right crazy talk—

    stick to Kucinich!

  40. Ajit said on December 14th, 2007 at 1:54pm #

    So we have this invasion of Paultards here. It’s natural whenever you criticize their Hero the flying monkies will come and call you all sorts of names. Talking to a Libertarian is like talking to a monkey. No point in doing that. There is no debate with these guys. They just call you every possible names from “You hate liberty”, “You are a statist” to “you should go to North Korea ” etc.

  41. Patrick Henry said on December 14th, 2007 at 2:05pm #

    “The entire balance of paul’s position can be summed up as: Personal and corporate profits at the expense of everyone and everything else.”

    As soon as an action involves another person’s life, liberty, and or property, then it may be regulated. If it harms another persons life, liberty, and or property, it may be regulated against. Ron Paul isn’t against regulation, he’s against the highly ineffective unconstitutional regulation from Washington DC. It is impossible to control a government thousands of miles away, we need to exercise control over ourselves first and foremost, and secondly over our states and communities.

    “Study instead the Libertarian views of Noam Chomsky for a properly thought-through position. And for a genuinely anti-war candidate who is actually legislating against the goons on the hill, Kucinich is your man! And he doesn’t come with all this scary, armed militia ‘us against impending martial law ‘red-dawn’ mania.”

    Chomksy may be a Libertarian, but he is not a libertarian, nor is he a republican to my knowledge. Kucinich is a socialist nut. Before dismissing the militia movement you should read up on the history of governments, arms, and also on the relatively recent police state actions. Look into the abyss and you shall find plenty on official government webpages to indicate that we are the target of our government’s police state - being alive is the crime they are concerned about.

  42. Patrick Henry said on December 14th, 2007 at 2:15pm #

    Dear Max Shields -

    “Patrick Henry the debate should be around what the role of government is (or isn’t) in regard to taking and spending money earned from labor. ”

    I agree. The role of the federal government is to regulate the affairs of the states and limit the ability of the federal government to impede upon the rights of individuals or the powers they delegate to the states.

    “I think no money should be taxed from either labor or capital. There is only one “perfect” means of obtaining revenue for running the nation (even more importantly the local school, social services, and operational costs of a municipality or township) and that’s LAND. Land in the economic sense of all that is not “man” made or that does not use capital and labor to produce it (air, air waves, oil, etc.) This is a tax (or rent on land use) which meets all the requires of fairness”

    I’m from New Hampshire, no sales tax, no income tax, high high high property tax. It’s a burden. The solution isn’t to switch forms of taxation, as then the question is “whom shall we steal from, and how much and how?”, but instead to switch to user based fee system. I.e. use the roads, pay a road fee. Use the schools? Road fee. Police and fire? same thing. Let those who use and benefit from services directly pay for what they get, let none have their hard earned property taken from them for another’s benefit.

    “My point, Mr. Henry, is that no one - I mean NO ONE, is debating Ron Paul on his terms. He’s marginalized by the MSM and so a non-player for the most part. His foreign policy is clear and converges with those of us who agree with a non-intervention policy. But beyond that? Because his “case” is one sided (again, NO ONE is debating his stands) the public is left with one salient point - he’s against the war. And perhaps a sense that he doesn’t believe in big government.:My point, Mr. Henry, is that no one - I mean NO ONE, is debating Ron Paul on his terms. He’s marginalized by the MSM and so a non-player for the most part. His foreign policy is clear and converges with those of us who agree with a non-intervention policy. But beyond that? Because his “case” is one sided (again, NO ONE is debating his stands) the public is left with one salient point - he’s against the war. And perhaps a sense that he doesn’t believe in big government.”

    Ron Paul has many years worth of writing online, including I do believe on his campaign website, http://www.RonPaul2008.com. There are also plenty of videos and interviews with the man.

    It is absolutely illegal to have the federal government engage in warfare (which is different than a defensive military action), or education, or welfare, or corporate welfare, or retirement, or medicine. Those are problems best left to individuals, their families, their communities, etc. If you really want to have a socialist/communist/collective state, go ahead, but don’t force me and my family and my state to do so. That is what Ron Paul stands for - the United States of America, a republic. Everyone else, Democrat and Republican and Socialist, stands for the American Empire, a democracy. One is right and legal, the other is wrong and illegal. Ron Paul stands for what is right - the rule of law.

  43. Patrick Henry said on December 14th, 2007 at 2:21pm #

    Ajit and y’all -

    “Ron Paul is a KOOK, don’t buy his ultra-right crazy talk—

    stick to Kucinich!”

    Ron Paul is not a rightist. Small r republicans and small l libertarians do not fall on the left/right/Democrat/Republican/socialist/fascist spectrum. Kucinich is indeed a leftist, and a kook to boot. The difference between the left and the right is that they disagree on how the government should control people’s lives. Leftists usually believe the government should control our lives, Rightists usually believe the the government should control foriegnor’s lives. Ron Paul doesn’t believe the government should control anyone’s lives.

  44. Patrick Henry said on December 14th, 2007 at 2:23pm #

    Dear PseudoPatrickHenry,

    “So we have this invasion of Paultards here. It’s natural whenever you criticize their Hero the flying monkies will come and call you all sorts of names. Talking to a Libertarian is like talking to a monkey. No point in doing that. There is no debate with these guys. They just call you every possible names from “You hate liberty”, “You are a statist” to “you should go to North Korea ” etc.”

    I’m a libertarian, not a Libertarian. I haven’t said anyone hates liberty, or that they are a statist, or that they should go to North Korea. I don’t believe I’ve called anyone any names at all. Yet you’ve called Ron Paul supporters “Paultards” and compared them to monkeys.

    I’m willing to debate.

  45. Sunil Sharma said on December 14th, 2007 at 7:46pm #

    On the matter of Ron Paul and the forthcoming election, Dissident Voice is committed to airing views both pro and against. Hence Joshua Frank’s sympathetic article a week ago and now Sherry Wolf’s anti-Paul essay, and many more to come.

    For my money, Ron Paul is the only current candidate (Democrap or Rethuglican) worth supporting.

    Do I see eye-to-eye on him on many issues other than the war and dissolving the American Empire? From what I can surmise from his positions — NO. As an anti-capitalist, libertarian socialist, I find many of Paul’s views questionable to say the least, especially on the topic of immigration — but then I’m not hearing ANY candidate address that issue from a sane and progressive standpoint either. Paul on the environment? Well, if Marcelle Cendrar’s comments on DV about his environmental positions are true, then I certainly disagree with him on that front as well. But then again, the Democrats, despite all their liberal and green pretensions, have sucked ass on that issue too, as writers like Jeffrey St. Clair, Ralph Nader, the late David Brower, and our Josh Frank have chronicled over the last 15 years. The Democrats, including Mr. Enviro Al Gore and the mainstream environmental groups, have done just as much — if not more — damage to the environment than the Republicans in their never-ceasing service to the ruling classes. I see no exception to this with the current crop of Democratic contenders, outside of maybe Kucinich and Gravel, neither of whom are viable (because their party’s leadership isn’t going to back them); and Kucinich is especially viewed by at least Josh Frank and me (I presume Kim too) as being asshole #1 for selling out the antiwar cause when his 2004 presidential bid failed (DV, up to that point, had endorsed Kucinich).

    As far as I’m concerned, the Iraq war and occupation, our imperialist meddling in the Middle East and everywhere else, the attacks on civil liberties at home, and the expansion of presidential powers are paramount. The Iraq war is especially central not only because of the horrible toll being levied on the lives and future of the Iraqi people, but because the war is bleeding the US economy in every direction. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is both unequivocal about ending the occupation and getting US forces the hell out of the region, AND whose candidacy is invigorating our otherwise useless antiwar movement by bringing many energetic and solidly decent people to its fold. These people, unlike the larger liberal segment of the antiwar movement, aren’t willing to compromise every principle and settle for some pro-war Democrat just because that Dem isn’t . . . well . . . isn’t from Team R.

    Furthermore, what bugs me about the sectarian left’s disdain for the Ron Paul phenomenon is their unwillingness to engage with Paul supporters at the organizing level. If anything, leftist/liberal/prog activists who have the intellectual integrity and courage of their convictions should view this as an opportunity to have their views exposed to a larger, mainstream audience. This is an opportunity to educate a (mostly new) activated crowd to a radical critique of the system that they may have not been exposed to. I’ve always thought that this effort, like internationalism and solidarity building, was one of the essential projects by which the radical left was to advance the cause of revolution . . . not, instead, isolating themselves from the larger culture with their holier-than-thou bullshit and therefore having ZERO effect on anything substantial in the political realm. Do leftists really lack the open mind and confidence in their ability to engage with people outside their otherwise irrelevant circle jerk?

    – Sunil

  46. Max Shields said on December 15th, 2007 at 11:04am #

    Patrick Henry says: “I’m from New Hampshire, no sales tax, no income tax, high high high property tax. It’s a burden. The solution isn’t to switch forms of taxation, as then the question is “whom shall we steal from, and how much and how?”, but instead to switch to user based fee system. I.e. use the roads, pay a road fee. Use the schools? Road fee. Police and fire? same thing. Let those who use and benefit from services directly pay for what they get, let none have their hard earned property taken from them for another’s benefit.”

    The land value tax is a user based fee on the commons (or shared natural resources (i.e., non-labor and capital). I don’t agree that we pay as we use in the case of social services. That’s another way of privatizing these shared services which should be available regardless of use such as fire departments and the like.

    Property tax is a tax on capital and labor - which is one of the worst taxes and should be eliminated or reduced so that land tax is the predominate means of paying for infrastructure, social/public services, and education. Land is not wealth but it accrues value based on social/societal need and so is concentrated in city centers (not rural where land value is considerably less). Tax on depreciated structures, homes and buildings, is completely counterproductive and produces concentrated wealth, land speculation (real estate bubbles), and poverty. Land rent/usage fee/tax is a fair means of ensuring that land is optimally utilized, is not hoarded (creating poverty), and payment of usage is fair (land cannot be hidden as can income and sales taxes hurt the mid-lower income). The LVT has been empircally proven to be the best means of local self-reliance and ensuring a sustainable local economy. This is far reaching implication in stablizing communities against corporate globalization and all that that has led to.

    Patrick Henry says: “Ron Paul has many years worth of writing online, including I do believe on his campaign website, http://www.RonPaul2008.com. There are also plenty of videos and interviews with the man.”

    This does not provide a public debate but position statements. The other repbulican candidates are not debating Paul on this. They are aligning with the right-wing/Christian base.

    By the way both William Buckley, Leo Tolstoy, Dennis Kucinich, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, John Dewey among many others agree with the land usage rent/tax I presented above. So where would Paul stand on this? Privatization of the commons - that’s how we got Corporate Globalization - it is the root of our existing evil and does not deliver us from it.

  47. Valued Customer said on December 16th, 2007 at 5:12am #

    I’ve debated these issues with enough good, honest friends who positively topple over to the left to know better than to try to explain market forces to you. You just can’t understand supply/demand=market, so it is useless to explain how creating the huge government mandated demand for health insurance in the 1970’s destroyed the free market in medicine that provided Americans the best health care in the world at the most cost effective prices, and how going to a universal, or single payer, system will make that problem infinitely worse, by removing market forces altogether, and leave the big providers of medical care, with their lobbyists access to Congress, as the sole arbiters of medical costs, and who gets access to services.

    Oops! I couldn’t help myself. But that’s not the real issue, and none of the things you mentioned are.

    The real issue regarding Ron Paul is that he is honest. He doesn’t succumb to lobbying pressure. If he agrees with a policy, he’ll support it, whether you lobby him or not. If he doesn’t, well, money doesn’t talk in his office on the Hill, and as far as I can tell, it’s the only office on the Hill where money doesn’t have just about the only voice. He is incorruptible.

    Beyond integrity, he is a fervent supporter of human rights, and particularly the American ideal of liberty, the rule of Constitutional law, and just government. He will stop torture, and illegal wiretaps; there will be no Enrons on his watch, no Katrinas. He will not secretly leak the names of CIA agents, and then lie about it. He won’t sell pardons, nuke Iran, or cook intelligence. He neither holds billions in Halliburton stock, nor mutual investments with the bin Laden family. He isn’t unduly influenced by AIPAC, big money, or big oil. He votes his conscience, speaks his mind, and tells the truth.

    You will get a tax break when Ron Paul becomes President. Why? Because he will not use the Federal Government to unlawfully compel you to bear witness against yourself, via the IRS, and will compel the government to use excise taxes, as the Constitution allows, to fund it’s operations.

    That is a complete 180 degree turnaround from what our government has been doing for decades (at least!), and it is exactly what needs to happen, right now.

    I have zero confidence in the integrity of any of the other candidates. I know every one of them is beholden to special interests, a liar, or worse.

    I know Ron Paul is telling the truth! He has been saying the same things he’s saying now during his entire service to the American people as a Congressman, for 9 consecutive terms, and has voted exactly as he says he will. Every time. Without fail.

    When he says he will bring the troops home, that’s exactly what he’ll do. When he says he opposes torture, he means it, and it will stop. He wants just, fair, lawful government and he will do everything the office of the President can do to make that happen. He is an honest man, who believes in freedom, and believes in America. He’s the only candidate that does. Every other candidate wants to do some damn thing against the Constitution - Kucinich wants our guns, Giuliani wants to torture, Hillary wants.. well, all that, and worse.

    The only candidate that was against the Patriot Act(s), the MCA (ending Habeus Corpus), the Warner Defense Appropriations Act (ending Posse Comitatus), and the Homegrown Terrorist Prevention Act (equating dissent with terrorism), and every Congressional pay raise ever offered on his watch, is Ron Paul. Check the voting records!

    This is the first time in decades I have felt there was a candidate that would represent me, and not MNC’s (Multi-National Corporations) against me, and you.

    We need lawful, just, government to save our country, our lives, and our children’s lives, from the corrupt criminals that have sold our sovereignty for mammon, and drench Iraq in blood, and Ron Paul will deliver exactly that.

  48. Max Shields said on December 16th, 2007 at 11:43am #

    I see nothing in Paul’s positions that would guard against an Enron or Katrina (unless you think privatization beyond Haliberton, et al is the market answer the deep racism and decay of our urban centers).

    I do think that Sunil is grappling with the many areas where Paul’s positions converge with those of us who struggle against the warmongering statism/nationalism. And on that score (and others I agree). The real issue is that the problem is beyond human-scale. Paul’s world-view cannot parse to DC. By its very nature the national government, the 300 million inhabitants of the USA, the muli-million square miles of terrain that makes its national borders up, is just to vast with deep history of empire and genocide to be viewed in a “libertarian” solution.

    What is needed to make any of this salvagable is a human-scale break up of the USA. Paul’s (libertarianism) stand may make some sense in the context of small regionally governed areas with liberated local governments. But as I indicated he’s running for president of the whole shoot’n match; and it will swallow him up as it does all the other powerbrokers. Corporatism and Authoritarianism rule at the national level.

    It is at the local level that the grass-roots need to build. A less predatory national government is pretty much what we can hope for.

  49. Naturboy said on December 16th, 2007 at 12:26pm #

    In trying to understand how Paul reconciles “property rights” (sounds good, eh? Who in their right mind would be for eminent domain?) with the vast proclivity for corporations and individuals to abuse the environment and life on earth unless regulated to smithereens, I did find this one tidbit:

    From this article:

    One noteworthy exchange: When a member of the SU College Republicans asked Paul about endangered species laws and King County’s critical areas ordinance, Paul appeared to come out against federal endangered species protections.

    “I’ve been reading the Constitution now and then,” he told the crowd. “I can’t find endangered species written in the Constitution.”

    He quickly added that his comments shouldn’t be interpreted as meaning he’s opposed to protecting endangered species. “It’s the bureaucratic approach vs. the free market approach,” he said—and he wants the job of protecting endangered species to be left to the free market.

    “Private property owners would do a better job than we would through federal regulations,” Paul said.

    If you look on his site, his Wiki page, etc, his positions are a huge mixed bag, and full of some good ideas, but also some really twisted stuff.

    But this idea that people are the best to choose how to handle their property, is some major distortion! We know better!! He basically says we should have just the right to individually sue AFTER the damage is done, and only if it bleeds over onto our land, and that will make it more expensive for polluters, so they will stop, and in this way the “market polices itself”.

    Tell me the truth, what really do you feel about that?? It’s to me such a completely irreconcilable position and so utterly disproved already, that his entire platform just crumbles– (not even counting the impeachment thing!) I’ve never heard a more free-market blatant invitation for owner and corporate abuse of the land and life on earth than this, from anyone!

    Nobody wants bloated government nor the illegal ‘Patriot’ act snooping and disappearing us in the night for dissenting, but he’s not the only one opposing that. But removing all the hard-won federal environmental regulation is asking for the same sort massive abuse that GE inflicted on us all by pumping PCB’s into the Hudson decades after it was known to be hazardous and non-degradable, or Maxxam/Pacific Lumber from logging off all it’s old growth, which happened to ‘own’ a large part of the remaining 3% of Old Growth on the continent containing endangered species habitat, which was the only ‘log-jam’ in their rape of the forest. You gonna leave it to them to do what’s “best” for ‘their’ land until townspeople personally sue them when the stream clogs from the silt run-off and floods the town (as has happened)??

    I’m all for liberty, but then “neighbors” have to include the other nations of animals and species and the environment upon which they depend. Paul clearly is NOT considering this, rather he’d be opening the floodgates to massive commercial and land-owner abuse.

    He’s got some strange views about gay marriage (some libertarian!), automatic weapons, etc, very strange indeed—He voted AGAINST the civil rights act!