Comments on: Thinking Outside the (Christmas) Box http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:42:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-11002 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:57:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-11002 I always do this I forgot one thing. This Chritmas hang some stockings and put a piece of coal in each stocking and after the last kid is looking up at you holding a piece of coal in this hand saying what is this. Break out into song: Said the shepherd boy to the mighty king, “Do you know what I know? In your palace warm, mighty king, Do you know what I know? A Child, a Child shivers in the cold– Let us bring him silver and gold, Let us bring him silver and gold.” I always do this I forgot one thing. This Chritmas hang some stockings and put a piece of coal in each stocking and after the last kid is looking up at you holding a piece of coal in this hand saying what is this. Break out into song:
Said the shepherd boy to the mighty king,
“Do you know what I know?
In your palace warm, mighty king,
Do you know what I know?
A Child, a Child shivers in the cold–
Let us bring him silver and gold,
Let us bring him silver and gold.”

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-11001 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:26:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-11001 Gerald, Rosemarie I have been reading DV for five years and probably sent two comments in those years. Maybe it was what George Monbiot wrote the other day that got me to try this. The real issues in Bali are not technical or economic. The crisis we face demands a profound philosophical discussion, a reappraisal of who we are and what progress means. Debating these matters makes us neither saints nor communists; it shows only that we have understood the science. George Monbiot I thought I would give it a try and I hope it was Thinking Outside The Christmas Box. Have a good Christmas and don't take any wooden Nickels. Don Gerald, Rosemarie I have been reading DV for five years and probably sent two comments in those years. Maybe it was what George Monbiot wrote the other day that got me to try this. The real issues in Bali are not technical or economic. The crisis we face demands a profound philosophical discussion, a reappraisal of who we are and what progress means. Debating these matters makes us neither saints nor communists; it shows only that we have understood the science. George Monbiot
I thought I would give it a try and I hope it was Thinking Outside The Christmas Box. Have a good Christmas and don’t take any wooden Nickels.
Don

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10991 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:21:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10991 Gerald I was hoping you would do that. This is my opinion. What a good scientist does is take something complex and make it simple. It took twenty years of research, measurements, thinking on climate change to get us the knowledge we have now. What we now know takes basic thinking to understand thanks to all that work that was done. Now the oil company's coal people policy makers have tried as hard as they can to make us all think that this problem is complex and the average Joe don't even try it leave it to the thinkers you know the ones on a higher intellectual level, what. Neecha, Melton, Fyodor Dostoyevsky all good writers but to apply that thinking to the real world somewhat meaningless. Have you ever listened to William F. Buckley talk the man is so smart or thinks he is I am sure he can't see the forest for the trees. Steven Hawking said about climate change if we use reason and can overcome are instincts we have a chance. Simple in China they just keep building coal fired power plants or in the United States keep doing the same thing and getting 22 MPG that is a joke the technology is already here waiting to be put in place. Yes the changeover will be painful and who is it that is trying to stop that changeover the people with that addiction called money and power believe me they are going to go kicking and crying all the way. You already see it. I must say the last few months there arguments are starting to show up for what they are stupid. They are still saying you just hate rich people and are nothing but a bunch of tree hugging socialists who want to change the entire power structure of the World. Well with me they got the change the entire power structure of the World part right and in this day and age to build a 90,000 square foot house seems a bit obscene. I mean what do you do in a house that big just look at it and say it's all mine or impress your friends probably. Don Gerald I was hoping you would do that. This is my opinion. What a good scientist does is take something complex and make it simple. It took twenty years of research, measurements, thinking on climate change to get us the knowledge we have now. What we now know takes basic thinking to understand thanks to all that work that was done. Now the oil company’s coal people policy makers have tried as hard as they can to make us all think that this problem is complex and the average Joe don’t even try it leave it to the thinkers you know the ones on a higher intellectual level, what. Neecha, Melton, Fyodor Dostoyevsky all good writers but to apply that thinking to the real world somewhat meaningless. Have you ever listened to William F. Buckley talk the man is so smart or thinks he is I am sure he can’t see the forest for the trees. Steven Hawking said about climate change if we use reason and can overcome are instincts we have a chance. Simple in China they just keep building coal fired power plants or in the United States keep doing the same thing and getting 22 MPG that is a joke the technology is already here waiting to be put in place. Yes the changeover will be painful and who is it that is trying to stop that changeover the people with that addiction called money and power believe me they are going to go kicking and crying all the way. You already see it. I must say the last few months there arguments are starting to show up for what they are stupid. They are still saying you just hate rich people and are nothing but a bunch of tree hugging socialists who want to change the entire power structure of the World. Well with me they got the change the entire power structure of the World part right and in this day and age to build a 90,000 square foot house seems a bit obscene. I mean what do you do in a house that big just look at it and say it’s all mine or impress your friends probably.
Don

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10979 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:06:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10979 Undermining the entire foundation of human society interesting concept. Let's see how about a Worldwide strike you know we get this little thing started stop buying gas unless for work and work you take extra days off. Only buy what you need to survive food and just the basics rice, beans. No new clothes, flat screen TV's, DVD's stop paying your insurance on you car and you only use your car if nessary bike walk. Turn the thermo stat up in the summer forget about it turn the thing off. No lights unless you want to read a good book like Atlas Shrugged or the Stand. Now could this happen well if nothing is done about climate change the same thing will happen and probably far worst. Suggestions are welcome. Don Undermining the entire foundation of human society interesting concept. Let’s see how about a Worldwide strike you know we get this little thing started stop buying gas unless for work and work you take extra days off. Only buy what you need to survive food and just the basics rice, beans. No new clothes, flat screen TV’s, DVD’s stop paying your insurance on you car and you only use your car if nessary bike walk. Turn the thermo stat up in the summer forget about it turn the thing off. No lights unless you want to read a good book like Atlas Shrugged or the Stand. Now could this happen well if nothing is done about climate change the same thing will happen and probably far worst. Suggestions are welcome.
Don

]]> By: gerald spezio http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10973 gerald spezio Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:49:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10973 And it will always be true Rosemarie Jackowski; When you are pitching , you are undermining the entire foundation of human society - including “fair and respectful treatment” of the readers you are trying to bamboozle. And it will always be true Rosemarie Jackowski;

When you are pitching , you are undermining the entire foundation of human society - including “fair and respectful treatment” of the readers you are trying to bamboozle.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10971 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:45:42 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10971 The Associated Press -- ATLANTA --Although the Atlanta area has been drenched with rain, the National Weather Service says it may not be enough to put a dent in the state's drought or avoid a record-low year for rainfall. Meterologist Robert Beasley of the National Weather Service says four-tenths of an inch of rain has fallen in the Atlanta area. Although the area ultimately may get up to three-quarters of an inch of rain, Beasley says that isn't enough to reverse water shortfalls caused by the drought. That's because Lake Lanier likely received less rain because the precipitation was stronger south of the lake, Beasley said. Beasley says the area has three or four chances of additional rain before the end of the year. But he says it will take "substantial long-term rains to get us out of this category of exceptional drought." The low amount of rain this year - about 27.66 inches of rain as of Saturday - puts the area on pace to break a record low of 29.14 inches of rainfall set in 1931, according to the National Weather Service. Beasley says the area likely will get up to 2-1/2 inches of rain before the end of the year. The six month forecast for the Southeast shows not much rain. I wish I had better news. I used to e-mail George Monboit and a few times he e-mailed me back but after his book Heat I guess he's to busy. There is a man named Konrad Steffen he has been doing research in Greenland for many years. This last summer in Greenland he had this satellite phone. Well guess who would call him once a week? The President of the United States. Now why did he call him to find out how fast the ice was melting so he would know better how to make policy to slow this little problem down. No probably to know when they could go up there and get at all that oil, gas, gold. I called Konard about a month ago first time. How did I get his number well went to his web site and there it was. I got his secretary and told her I used to teach the weather I live in a small town in Georgia and had a couple of questions for Konrad. Hello Konrad Steffen, I asked him a few questions temperatures and how fast has the glaciers forward speed increased in the last ten years. I did say that I heard the President called a few times. His answer was yes these policy makers call me and I always say the same thing. Climate change is like a cancer you can treat the cancer but can't cure it at least now. You can slow it down until a cure is found. Think about one thing look how far we have come in just the last 50 years what if we had say 1000 years from now. Yes still injustice the truth more perception than truth but if we don't stop using fossil fuels 100% and do that soon we may not have the chance to work on that other part. Richard Alley glaciologist one of the best in the World who found that about 10,000 years ago the weather took a turn for the worst and did it rather quickly because of CO2. I e-mailed him a few weeks ago after I saw what happened in the North Atlantic this summer and asked him what do you think. He said things are happening. Don The Associated Press —

ATLANTA –Although the Atlanta area has been drenched with rain, the National Weather Service says it may not be enough to put a dent in the state’s drought or avoid a record-low year for rainfall.

Meterologist Robert Beasley of the National Weather Service says four-tenths of an inch of rain has fallen in the Atlanta area.

Although the area ultimately may get up to three-quarters of an inch of rain, Beasley says that isn’t enough to reverse water shortfalls caused by the drought. That’s because Lake Lanier likely received less rain because the precipitation was stronger south of the lake, Beasley said.

Beasley says the area has three or four chances of additional rain before the end of the year.

But he says it will take “substantial long-term rains to get us out of this category of exceptional drought.”

The low amount of rain this year - about 27.66 inches of rain as of Saturday - puts the area on pace to break a record low of 29.14 inches of rainfall set in 1931, according to the National Weather Service.

Beasley says the area likely will get up to 2-1/2 inches of rain before the end of the year.
The six month forecast for the Southeast shows not much rain. I wish I had better news. I used to e-mail George Monboit and a few times he e-mailed me back but after his book Heat I guess he’s to busy. There is a man named Konrad Steffen he has been doing research in Greenland for many years. This last summer in Greenland he had this satellite phone. Well guess who would call him once a week? The President of the United States. Now why did he call him to find out how fast the ice was melting so he would know better how to make policy to slow this little problem down. No probably to know when they could go up there and get at all that oil, gas, gold. I called Konard about a month ago first time. How did I get his number well went to his web site and there it was. I got his secretary and told her I used to teach the weather I live in a small town in Georgia and had a couple of questions for Konrad. Hello Konrad Steffen, I asked him a few questions temperatures and how fast has the glaciers forward speed increased in the last ten years. I did say that I heard the President called a few times. His answer was yes these policy makers call me and I always say the same thing. Climate change is like a cancer you can treat the cancer but can’t cure it at least now. You can slow it down until a cure is found. Think about one thing look how far we have come in just the last 50 years what if we had say 1000 years from now. Yes still injustice the truth more perception than truth but if we don’t stop using fossil fuels 100% and do that soon we may not have the chance to work on that other part. Richard Alley glaciologist one of the best in the World who found that about 10,000 years ago the weather took a turn for the worst and did it rather quickly because of CO2. I e-mailed him a few weeks ago after I saw what happened in the North Atlantic this summer and asked him what do you think. He said things are happening.
Don

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10965 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:18:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10965 In the beginning you have a person who needs a home loan the majority of those people don't even know what an interest rate is or what it means for that loan. Then you have a few people who know what an interest rate is but have know idea what a CDO or SIV is. Then you have even less people who know what a interest rate is and they think they know what a CDO and SIV is. Then you have even less people who know what a interest rate is and know what a CDO and SIV is but that derivative thing is a little unclear. Then you have even less people who know what a interest rate is and a CDO and SIV and have the derivative part all figured out they think. Then you have even less people who know what a interest rate is a CDO and SIV and what a derivative is and how to play it. Now it sure looks to me that that last group of even less people are now saying Ben please the helicopter the helicopter we need it. Ben do you get it do you get it. The first and second group stand a good chance of now living under a freeway underpass and the second and third group get to live in a one room place with the kitchen and bathroom and bedroom all in one. That last group who shall we say knows the system were also the ones who financial engineered this mess they invented it. Now what does this have to do with the weather well with this type of thinking it is going to be very hard to slow a fast warming world. It's snowing and cold what global warming right. That last group of people do they know about climate change and what it means to all of us. I'll bet if somebody did a little research into how many of these people are buying property in Iceland the answer might surprise you. When the Fed Ben lowers interest rates it puts more money into the system but it also means that stuff will cost more and maybe a lot more no problem if you have a lot of dollars considering the dollar could be worth about 50 cents or less. In the beginning you have a person who needs a home loan the majority of those people don’t even know what an interest rate is or what it means for that loan. Then you have a few people who know what an interest rate is but have know idea what a CDO or SIV is. Then you have even less people who know what a interest rate is and they think they know what a CDO and SIV is. Then you have even less people who know what a interest rate is and know what a CDO and SIV is but that derivative thing is a little unclear. Then you have even less people who know what a interest rate is and a CDO and SIV and have the derivative part all figured out they think. Then you have even less people who know what a interest rate is a CDO and SIV and what a derivative is and how to play it. Now it sure looks to me that that last group of even less people are now saying Ben please the helicopter the helicopter we need it. Ben do you get it do you get it.

The first and second group stand a good chance of now living under a freeway underpass and the second and third group get to live in a one room place with the kitchen and bathroom and bedroom all in one. That last group who shall we say knows the system were also the ones who financial engineered this mess they invented it. Now what does this have to do with the weather well with this type of thinking it is going to be very hard to slow a fast warming world. It’s snowing and cold what global warming right. That last group of people do they know about climate change and what it means to all of us. I’ll bet if somebody did a little research into how many of these people are buying property in Iceland the answer might surprise you. When the Fed Ben lowers interest rates it puts more money into the system but it also means that stuff will cost more and maybe a lot more no problem if you have a lot of dollars considering the dollar could be worth about 50 cents or less.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10962 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:55:56 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10962 IF I HAD A HAMMER (The Hammer Song) words and music by Lee Hays and Pete Seeger If I had a hammer I'd hammer in the morning I'd hammer in the evening All over this land I'd hammer out danger I'd hammer out a warning I'd hammer out love between my brothers and my sisters All over this land If I had a bell I'd ring it in the morning I'd ring it in the evening All over this land I'd ring out danger I'd ring out a warning I'd ring out love between my brothers and my sisters All over this land If I had a song I'd sing it in the morning I'd sing it in the evening All over this land I'd sing out danger I'd sing out a warning I'd sing out love between my brothers and my sisters All over this land Well I've got a hammer And I've got a bell And I've got a song to sing All over this land It's the hammer of justice It's the bell of freedom It's the song about love between my brothers and my sisters All over this land I get up early in the morning. Don IF I HAD A HAMMER (The Hammer Song)
words and music by Lee Hays and Pete Seeger

If I had a hammer
I’d hammer in the morning
I’d hammer in the evening
All over this land
I’d hammer out danger
I’d hammer out a warning
I’d hammer out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

If I had a bell
I’d ring it in the morning
I’d ring it in the evening
All over this land
I’d ring out danger
I’d ring out a warning
I’d ring out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

If I had a song
I’d sing it in the morning
I’d sing it in the evening
All over this land
I’d sing out danger
I’d sing out a warning
I’d sing out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

Well I’ve got a hammer
And I’ve got a bell
And I’ve got a song to sing
All over this land
It’s the hammer of justice
It’s the bell of freedom
It’s the song about love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

I get up early in the morning.
Don

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10936 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:47:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10936 Changes in sea ice extent, timing, ice thickness, and seasonal fluctuations are already having an impact on the people, plants, and animals that live in the Arctic. NSIDC Research Scientist and Arctic resident Shari Gearheard said, “Local people who live in the region are noticing the changes in sea ice. The earlier break up and later freeze up affect when and where people can go hunting, as well as safety for travel.” NSIDC scientists monitor and study Arctic sea ice year round, analyzing satellite data and seeking to understand the regional changes and complex feedbacks that we are seeing. Serreze said, “The sea ice cover is in a downward spiral and may have passed the point of no return. As the years go by, we are losing more and more ice in summer, and growing back less and less ice in winter. We may well see an ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer within our lifetimes.” The scientists agree that this could occur by 2030. Serreze concluded, “The implications for global climate, as well as Arctic animals and people, are disturbing." National Snow and Ice Data Center I just sent you what Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the United Nations’ prestigious Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said last month. The IPCC is trying and I am sure Pajendra is doing his best. What you just read from National Snow and Ice Data Center was put out in October the IPCC is being nice the problem is much worst than what they report. There are a few reasons for that the IPCC has to deal with policy makers politicians who have different agendas you know what does is mean. As the IPCC was finalizing it's report Arctic sea ice had already receded so much that the fabled Northwest Passage completely opened for the first time in human memory. They have to go by the numbers proven numbers and all those agendas. The energy bill the one that was watered down so the President wouldn't veto it was in it's original form not even close to solving the problem. Don Changes in sea ice extent, timing, ice thickness, and seasonal fluctuations are already having an impact on the people, plants, and animals that live in the Arctic. NSIDC Research Scientist and Arctic resident Shari Gearheard said, “Local people who live in the region are noticing the changes in sea ice. The earlier break up and later freeze up affect when and where people can go hunting, as well as safety for travel.”
NSIDC scientists monitor and study Arctic sea ice year round, analyzing satellite data and seeking to understand the regional changes and complex feedbacks that we are seeing. Serreze said, “The sea ice cover is in a downward spiral and may have passed the point of no return. As the years go by, we are losing more and more ice in summer, and growing back less and less ice in winter. We may well see an ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer within our lifetimes.” The scientists agree that this could occur by 2030. Serreze concluded, “The implications for global climate, as well as Arctic animals and people, are disturbing.” National Snow and Ice Data Center
I just sent you what Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the United Nations’ prestigious Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said last month. The IPCC is trying and I am sure Pajendra is doing his best. What you just read from National Snow and Ice Data Center was put out in October the IPCC is being nice the problem is much worst than what they report. There are a few reasons for that the IPCC has to deal with policy makers politicians who have different agendas you know what does is mean. As the IPCC was finalizing it’s report Arctic sea ice had already receded so much that the fabled Northwest Passage completely opened for the first time in human memory. They have to go by the numbers proven numbers and all those agendas. The energy bill the one that was watered down so the President wouldn’t veto it was in it’s original form not even close to solving the problem.
Don

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10932 Donald Hawkins Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:51:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10932 The power outage was the worst ever in Oklahoma, with more than 618,000 homes and businesses without electricity late Tuesday. Officials said it could be a week to 10 days before power is fully restored. "We're relying on people to look after each other," Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett said. "At the end of the day, this comes down to the strength of your people. ... People who have electricity ought to be sharing it with people who don't." Why is this happening well record heat in the Southeast and cold air to the North. Climate change, Oh yes climate change. If no rain in the Southeast we may read.... People who have water ought to be sharing it with people who don't. So far at least with the States in the Southeast that sharing thing is not exactly the way it is working out. Dec. 12, 2007 | How dire is the climate situation? Consider what Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the United Nations' prestigious Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said last month: "If there's no action before 2012, that's too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment." Pachauri has the distinction, or misfortune, of being both an engineer and an economist, two professions not known for overheated rhetoric. The power outage was the worst ever in Oklahoma, with more than 618,000 homes and businesses without electricity late Tuesday. Officials said it could be a week to 10 days before power is fully restored.
“We’re relying on people to look after each other,” Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett said. “At the end of the day, this comes down to the strength of your people. … People who have electricity ought to be sharing it with people who don’t.”

Why is this happening well record heat in the Southeast and cold air to the North. Climate change, Oh yes climate change. If no rain in the Southeast we may read…. People who have water ought to be sharing it with people who don’t. So far at least with the States in the Southeast that sharing thing is not exactly the way it is working out.

Dec. 12, 2007 | How dire is the climate situation? Consider what Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the United Nations’ prestigious Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said last month: “If there’s no action before 2012, that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.” Pachauri has the distinction, or misfortune, of being both an engineer and an economist, two professions not known for overheated rhetoric.

]]> By: hp http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10928 hp Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:26:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10928 Don, if I worked for two weeks, ten hours a day and the "boss" said I owed him 30 dollars, I'd kick him in the balls and along with the other workers, skin him and eat him for lunch. Without speaking a word of Spanish. Robert, obviously those rednecks searching your bus didn't do a very good job because about twenty million "wetbacks" managed to make it here. So much for intimidation. Don, if I worked for two weeks, ten hours a day and the “boss” said I owed him 30 dollars, I’d kick him in the balls and along with the other workers, skin him and eat him for lunch. Without speaking a word of Spanish.

Robert, obviously those rednecks searching your bus didn’t do a very good job because about twenty million “wetbacks” managed to make it here. So much for intimidation.

]]> By: gerald spezio http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10915 gerald spezio Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:42:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10915 Yes Joe Baby, I was given some back. And now I wants me some front, up front. Some prefer front to ... back, although it's all relative septin for the solidarity (we are all one with the Tao yeah but not completely), but I cannot countenance that Huckabee with his Come to Jesus one crumb no way even ifin I done growed up with two stop lights up my kiester. So following your bliss, Man; and doing the whole literary approach is so blowed up with metaphor, double entendre, and fookin innuendo that it becomes nonsense, all too often, but Marcelle is keeping that part of the garden secret from Rosemarie just to be mean. Yes Joe Baby, I was given some back.
And now I wants me some front, up front.

Some prefer front to … back, although it’s all relative septin for the solidarity (we are all one with the Tao yeah but not completely), but I cannot countenance that Huckabee with his Come to Jesus one crumb no way even ifin I done growed up with two stop lights up my kiester.

So following your bliss, Man; and doing the whole literary approach is so blowed up with metaphor, double entendre, and fookin innuendo that it becomes nonsense, all too often, but Marcelle is keeping that part of the garden secret from Rosemarie just to be mean.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10914 Donald Hawkins Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:29:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10914 A salient feature of terrestrial climate change is its asymmetry. Warmings are rapid, usually followed by slower descent into colder climate. Given the symmetry of orbital forcings (figures 3 and 10), the cause of rapid warming at glacial ‘terminations’ must lie in a climate feedback. Clearly, the asymmetric feedback is the albedo flip of ice and snow that occurs when they become warm enough to begin melting. The albedo-flip feedback helps explain the rapidity of deglaciations and their early beginnings relative to Milankovitch’s summer insolation maxima. A positive perturbation to insolation is most effective in spring because it lengthens the melt season. Once the albedo is flipped to dark, it usually stays dark until the cold season returns. Increased absorption of sunlight caused by albedo flip provides the energy for rapid ice melt. When the insolation forcing reverses, ice sheet regrowth can be slower, as it is limited by the rate of snowfall in cold regions. Except for snowball Earth conditions, albedo flip is not a runaway feedback. However, the magnitude of the potential global climate response increases as ice sheet size increases. Thus, as the Earth cooled from the Pliocene through the Pleistocene, the amplitude of global temperature fluctuations increased. Sea-level increases (figure 2a) associated with insolation anomalies have characteristic response time similar to the time-scale of the forcing (minimum half-width ca 6 kyr). This is consistent with a persistence time of ca 7 kyr found by Mudelsee & Raymo (2005) for ice volume changes reflected in marine oxygen isotope records. If these long time-scales are interpreted as an inherent time-scale for ice sheet disintegration and built into ice sheet models, then they provide a false sense of security about sea level. The unusual stability of the Earth’s climate during the Holocene is probably due to the fact that the Earth has been warm enough to keep ice sheets off North America and Asia, but not warm enough to cause disintegration of the Greenland or Antarctic ice sheets. 1948 J. Hansen et al. Phil. Trans. R. Soc. A (2007) An ice sheet in equilibrium may have summer melt on its fringes, balanced by interior ice sheet growth. Large climate change will occur only if a forcing is sufficient to initiate rapid dynamical feedbacks and disintegration of a substantial portion of the ice sheet. Rapidly rising temperatures in the past three decades (figure 4), evidence that the Earth is now substantially out of energy balance (Hansen et al. 2005b), and indications of accelerating change on West Antarctica and Greenland (see below) indicate that the period of stability is over. Who wrote this six of the best people in the World on this subject icluding James Hansen. What does it mean well if you are in you twenty's or thirty's and live on almost any Coast on this Planet and plan on staying there longer than twenty years probably not a good idea. Unfortunately because of the data from Greenland in September 07 this report was written in May 07 is looks to be to late to stop that little sea level thing but not to late to turn this around. Remember what Hansen said the special interests have been cleverer than us, preventing the public from seeing the crisis that should be in view. Well you just viewed some of the best work done so far. Suggestions are welcome. Don A salient feature of terrestrial climate change is its asymmetry. Warmings are
rapid, usually followed by slower descent into colder climate. Given the
symmetry of orbital forcings (figures 3 and 10), the cause of rapid warming at
glacial ‘terminations’ must lie in a climate feedback. Clearly, the asymmetric
feedback is the albedo flip of ice and snow that occurs when they become warm
enough to begin melting.
The albedo-flip feedback helps explain the rapidity of deglaciations and their
early beginnings relative to Milankovitch’s summer insolation maxima. A
positive perturbation to insolation is most effective in spring because it
lengthens the melt season. Once the albedo is flipped to dark, it usually stays
dark until the cold season returns. Increased absorption of sunlight caused by
albedo flip provides the energy for rapid ice melt. When the insolation forcing
reverses, ice sheet regrowth can be slower, as it is limited by the rate of snowfall
in cold regions.
Except for snowball Earth conditions, albedo flip is not a runaway feedback.
However, the magnitude of the potential global climate response increases as ice
sheet size increases. Thus, as the Earth cooled from the Pliocene through the
Pleistocene, the amplitude of global temperature fluctuations increased.
Sea-level increases (figure 2a) associated with insolation anomalies have
characteristic response time similar to the time-scale of the forcing (minimum
half-width ca 6 kyr). This is consistent with a persistence time of ca 7 kyr found
by Mudelsee & Raymo (2005) for ice volume changes reflected in marine oxygen
isotope records. If these long time-scales are interpreted as an inherent time-scale
for ice sheet disintegration and built into ice sheet models, then they provide a
false sense of security about sea level.
The unusual stability of the Earth’s climate during the Holocene is probably
due to the fact that the Earth has been warm enough to keep ice sheets off North
America and Asia, but not warm enough to cause disintegration of the Greenland
or Antarctic ice sheets.
1948 J. Hansen et al.
Phil. Trans. R. Soc. A (2007)
An ice sheet in equilibrium may have summer melt on its fringes, balanced by
interior ice sheet growth. Large climate change will occur only if a forcing is
sufficient to initiate rapid dynamical feedbacks and disintegration of a substantial
portion of the ice sheet. Rapidly rising temperatures in the past three decades
(figure 4), evidence that the Earth is now substantially out of energy balance
(Hansen et al. 2005b), and indications of accelerating change on West Antarctica
and Greenland (see below) indicate that the period of stability is over.
Who wrote this six of the best people in the World on this subject icluding James Hansen.
What does it mean well if you are in you twenty’s or thirty’s and live on almost any Coast on this Planet and plan on staying there longer than twenty years probably not a good idea. Unfortunately because of the data from Greenland in September 07 this report was written in May 07 is looks to be to late to stop that little sea level thing but not to late to turn this around. Remember what Hansen said the special interests have been cleverer than us, preventing the public from seeing the crisis that should be in view. Well you just viewed some of the best work done so far. Suggestions are welcome.
Don

]]> By: Deadbeat http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10910 Deadbeat Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:52:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10910 <i>DeadBeat…your effort at dissecting thought processes and to be objective is a miserable failure…you revealed your misunderstood anger only…do you know why you’re angry?…you have been carrying this angry baggage for years.</i> Joe, your effort at a rejoinder is a miserable failure...you revealed your inability to provide analysis and offer only a personal attack and psychobabble rather than information. You revealed your desire to see the continuation of a racist ideology. Do you know why you've been carrying this latent racist baggage for years. DeadBeat…your effort at dissecting thought processes and to be objective is a miserable failure…you revealed your misunderstood anger only…do you know why you’re angry?…you have been carrying this angry baggage for years.

Joe,

your effort at a rejoinder is a miserable failure…you revealed your inability to provide analysis and offer only a personal attack and psychobabble rather than information. You revealed your desire to see the continuation of a racist ideology. Do you know why you’ve been carrying this latent racist baggage for years.

]]> By: joe http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10906 joe Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:42:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10906 DeadBeat...your effort at dissecting thought processes and to be objective is a miserable failure...you revealed your misunderstood anger only...do you know why you're angry?...you have been carrying this angry baggage for years. DeadBeat…your effort at dissecting thought processes and to be objective is a miserable failure…you revealed your misunderstood anger only…do you know why you’re angry?…you have been carrying this angry baggage for years.

]]> By: joe http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10905 joe Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:25:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10905 well...gerald...I see you were given some back...? "Blessing and solidarity to all, again" well…gerald…I see you were given some back…?

“Blessing and solidarity to all, again”

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10904 Donald Hawkins Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:22:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10904 I was born in a small town in Nevada one stop light when I was eighteen I left home to see the World. First stop Arizona a labor camp picking lemons. Lemons are hard little stickers and you have to do it with a step ladder at least in 1967 you did. I was the only person there who spoke English except for the bosses. We all stayed in camps one big room with beds and wood stove. Well nobody had a car in those day's except the bosses so we got all our food cigarettes from them. At the end of 2 weeks I was waiting for my pay. The Boss said to me well son after two weeks of work 10 hours a day you owe me 30 dollars,what. Well it took me about three day's to talk with the other workers as I had been learning a little Spanish. The next morning about 50 or so workers including myself started to walk off the farm the labor camp the big boss a big ugly white guy was yelling you can't do this. Well we did I am trying to remember I think I went to San Francisco or was it Oakland. Don I was born in a small town in Nevada one stop light when I was eighteen I left home to see the World. First stop Arizona a labor camp picking lemons. Lemons are hard little stickers and you have to do it with a step ladder at least in 1967 you did. I was the only person there who spoke English except for the bosses. We all stayed in camps one big room with beds and wood stove. Well nobody had a car in those day’s except the bosses so we got all our food cigarettes from them. At the end of 2 weeks I was waiting for my pay. The Boss said to me well son after two weeks of work 10 hours a day you owe me 30 dollars,what. Well it took me about three day’s to talk with the other workers as I had been learning a little Spanish. The next morning about 50 or so workers including myself started to walk off the farm the labor camp the big boss a big ugly white guy was yelling you can’t do this. Well we did I am trying to remember I think I went to San Francisco or was it Oakland.
Don

]]> By: Deadbeat http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10903 Deadbeat Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:19:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10903 I have to agree with Gerald's critique of Ms. Jackowski article because the article has a tendency to divert and subvert rather than inform and provide analysis. Ms. Jackowski's desire for "fair and respectful treatment of all" is inconsistent with her position about Zionism's influence. She states as the following... <i>rosemarie jackowski said on December 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pm Congress has outsourced and sub-contracted its Constitutional duty to the Executive Branch. Anyone who expects any difference between the dems and the repubs has not been paying attention. The Congress is responsible for the war and its funding. If they all had only stayed home and did nothing, we would be at peace. Zionism is only a part of the problem. If it wasn’t Zionism, it would be people who wear purple socks or some other such insanity. A country that loves war profiteering as much as the U$A does, will always find a reason to kill. Isn’t that the root of Capitalism - money before people. </i> As <a href="http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/2006/02/jeffrey-blankfort-interview-must-read.html" rel="nofollow">Jeffrey Blankfort</a> points out ... <i>The left and the anti-war movement are so focused on blaming everything on US imperialism on one hand, and avoiding the provoking of what they fear will be "anti-Semitism" on the other, that they have gone further from putting any blame on Israel than have elements of the mainstream. And so, having paid no price for pushing the US into the war in Iraq – and not only this war, but the first Gulf war – they are preparing to do the same with Iran.</i> Ms. Jackowski's perspectives mirrors the same "INSIDE THE BOX" reactionary thinking that "the left" hears from Noam Chomsky and Ron Jacobs. This is not to fault Ms. Jackowski and other folks who are introduced to politics via Chomsky adopting a "cult-like" reactionary group-think that prevents them from confronting Zionism and other key issues that the left ignores. It is extremely ironic (if not amusing) that Ms Jackowski wrote an article about thinking outside the box when her own perspectives are very much still SINCE the box. It is this "Chomskyistic" thinking that is the cause of much of the duplicity on the left. It is this duplicity that impedes solidarity. I have to agree with Gerald’s critique of Ms. Jackowski article because the article has a tendency to divert and subvert rather than inform and provide analysis. Ms. Jackowski’s desire for “fair and respectful treatment of all” is inconsistent with her position about Zionism’s influence. She states as the following…

rosemarie jackowski said on December 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Congress has outsourced and sub-contracted its Constitutional duty to the Executive Branch. Anyone who expects any difference between the dems and the repubs has not been paying attention. The Congress is responsible for the war and its funding. If they all had only stayed home and did nothing, we would be at peace. Zionism is only a part of the problem. If it wasn’t Zionism, it would be people who wear purple socks or some other such insanity. A country that loves war profiteering as much as the U$A does, will always find a reason to kill. Isn’t that the root of Capitalism - money before people.

As Jeffrey Blankfort points out …

The left and the anti-war movement are so focused on blaming everything on US imperialism on one hand, and avoiding the provoking of what they fear will be “anti-Semitism” on the other, that they have gone further from putting any blame on Israel than have elements of the mainstream. And so, having paid no price for pushing the US into the war in Iraq – and not only this war, but the first Gulf war – they are preparing to do the same with Iran.

Ms. Jackowski’s perspectives mirrors the same “INSIDE THE BOX” reactionary thinking that “the left” hears from Noam Chomsky and Ron Jacobs. This is not to fault Ms. Jackowski and other folks who are introduced to politics via Chomsky adopting a “cult-like” reactionary group-think that prevents them from confronting Zionism and other key issues that the left ignores.

It is extremely ironic (if not amusing) that Ms Jackowski wrote an article about thinking outside the box when her own perspectives are very much still SINCE the box. It is this “Chomskyistic” thinking that is the cause of much of the duplicity on the left. It is this duplicity that impedes solidarity.

]]> By: joe http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10896 joe Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:54:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10896 gerald, gerald, gerald spezio...why have you given your mind so willingly to authorities? At least make them take it from you...they said please you say?...how kind you are to relinquish your humanity...with no objection...did you smile when they said to you...dismissed? gerald, gerald, gerald spezio…why have you given your mind so willingly to authorities? At least make them take it from you…they said please you say?…how kind you are to relinquish your humanity…with no objection…did you smile when they said to you…dismissed?

]]> By: gerald spezio http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10894 gerald spezio Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:21:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/thinking-outside-the-christmas-box/#comment-10894 Not Marlboros; Salem menthol. Posta be Maria-de-Paso, but who cares? Not Marlboros; Salem menthol.

Posta be Maria-de-Paso, but who cares?

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