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	<title>Comments on: The Politics of Anti-Semitism: Zionism, the Bund and Jewish Identity Politics</title>
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		<title>By: YBbAy</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-22658</link>
		<dc:creator>YBbAy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You REally Have TO See This...,</description>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10411</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-Semitism is stupid, hurtful, and can lead to murder in the name of Mohammad or even sweet baby Jesus.

Anti-Muslimism is stupid, hurtful, and is causing rampant murder in Iraq and Palestine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-Semitism is stupid, hurtful, and can lead to murder in the name of Mohammad or even sweet baby Jesus.</p>
<p>Anti-Muslimism is stupid, hurtful, and is causing rampant murder in Iraq and Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10404</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple more links for david t, whose concern is that the police seem to have their hands too full right now to deal with 'ordinary' crimes fully.  Yes indeed, these are no ordinary crimes.  We are talking about exceptional corruption:
http:// comment.independent.co.uk...icle3218062.ece
http://www.rense.com/general79/brown.htm
As Finch says, "The jewish lobby in britain has pressured the government into wars in the greater middle east, especially an attack against iran, which are not in britain's interests but are very much in the interests of the jews-only state in palestine".  http://themundiclub.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple more links for david t, whose concern is that the police seem to have their hands too full right now to deal with &#8216;ordinary&#8217; crimes fully.  Yes indeed, these are no ordinary crimes.  We are talking about exceptional corruption:<br />
<a href="http://" rel="nofollow">http://</a> comment.independent.co.uk&#8230;icle3218062.ece<br />
<a href="http://www.rense.com/general79/brown.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rense.com/general79/brown.htm</a><br />
As Finch says, &#8220;The jewish lobby in britain has pressured the government into wars in the greater middle east, especially an attack against iran, which are not in britain&#8217;s interests but are very much in the interests of the jews-only state in palestine&#8221;.  <a href="http://themundiclub.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow">http://themundiclub.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10341</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David T certainly has some gall discussing "racism''.  Check out just one of this war-mongers' comments from today's HP:

"I'm told that the police and security services are so utterly overloaded with jihadist-related activity that they're not investigating "ordinary" crimes fully." 
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=7619

Oh David, come on, try to keep up! 
I think we all know exactly what the police have their hands full with right now, and it's called Investigating the Jewish Lobby. Check it out at http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/2007/12/gilad-atzmon-some-people-never-learn.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David T certainly has some gall discussing &#8220;racism&#8221;.  Check out just one of this war-mongers&#8217; comments from today&#8217;s HP:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m told that the police and security services are so utterly overloaded with jihadist-related activity that they&#8217;re not investigating &#8220;ordinary&#8221; crimes fully.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=7619" rel="nofollow">http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=7619</a></p>
<p>Oh David, come on, try to keep up!<br />
I think we all know exactly what the police have their hands full with right now, and it&#8217;s called Investigating the Jewish Lobby. Check it out at <a href="http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/2007/12/gilad-atzmon-some-people-never-learn.html" rel="nofollow">http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/2007/12/gilad-atzmon-some-people-never-learn.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10319</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for making my point, GS. 

Time for another Thorazine*..looks like your afternoon meds are wearing off...



*
Originally sold in the 1950s and 1960s, under the trade names Largactil and Thorazine, chlorpromazine was the first medication to come into use as an antipsychotic, and was the prototype for the phenothiazine class, which later grew to comprise several other agents. It is often administered in acute settings as a syrup, which has a faster onset of action than tablets.

The first published clinical trial was that of Jean Delay and Pierre Deniker at Ste. Anne Hôspital in Paris in 1952, in which they treated 38 psychotic patients with daily injections of chlorpromazine.[2] Drug treatment with chlorpromazine went beyond simple sedation with patients showing improvements in thinking and emotional behaviour. Ironically, the antipsychotic properties of chlorpromazine appear to be unrelated to its sedative properties. During long term therapy some tolerance to the sedative effect develops.

Chlorpromazine substituted and eclipsed the old therapies of electro and insulin shocks and other methods such as psychosurgical means (lobotomy) causing permanent brain injury. Before the era of neuroleptics, starting with chlorpromazine, positive long-term results for psychotic patients were only 20%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpromazine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for making my point, GS. </p>
<p>Time for another Thorazine*..looks like your afternoon meds are wearing off&#8230;</p>
<p>*<br />
Originally sold in the 1950s and 1960s, under the trade names Largactil and Thorazine, chlorpromazine was the first medication to come into use as an antipsychotic, and was the prototype for the phenothiazine class, which later grew to comprise several other agents. It is often administered in acute settings as a syrup, which has a faster onset of action than tablets.</p>
<p>The first published clinical trial was that of Jean Delay and Pierre Deniker at Ste. Anne Hôspital in Paris in 1952, in which they treated 38 psychotic patients with daily injections of chlorpromazine.[2] Drug treatment with chlorpromazine went beyond simple sedation with patients showing improvements in thinking and emotional behaviour. Ironically, the antipsychotic properties of chlorpromazine appear to be unrelated to its sedative properties. During long term therapy some tolerance to the sedative effect develops.</p>
<p>Chlorpromazine substituted and eclipsed the old therapies of electro and insulin shocks and other methods such as psychosurgical means (lobotomy) causing permanent brain injury. Before the era of neuroleptics, starting with chlorpromazine, positive long-term results for psychotic patients were only 20%.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpromazine" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpromazine</a></p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
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		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, MP3s of Gilad Atzmon interviewed recently (Nov. '07) on Indymedia UK: &lt;a href="http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2007/12/387156.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;part 1&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2007/12/387157.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;part 2&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, MP3s of Gilad Atzmon interviewed recently (Nov. &#8216;07) on Indymedia UK: <a href="http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2007/12/387156.mp3" rel="nofollow">part 1</a> and <a href="http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2007/12/387157.mp3" rel="nofollow">part 2</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The murdering Israelis are murdering the Palestinians in the GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP at this very moment.

You can be sure that Zionism isn't part of the cause, but it is still murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The murdering Israelis are murdering the Palestinians in the GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP at this very moment.</p>
<p>You can be sure that Zionism isn&#8217;t part of the cause, but it is still murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10305</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, David T, the same guy who runs the neo-con website, Harry's Place. More of his fascist bluster can be found at http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/ 
 
How do you feel about Cholera now being deployed as a WMD by Israel in Gaza, DavidT, as it was by the zionised invaders of Iraq?  No doubt celebrating Hanukkah without a care in the world, while the water wells grind to a halt in Gaza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, David T, the same guy who runs the neo-con website, Harry&#8217;s Place. More of his fascist bluster can be found at <a href="http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/" rel="nofollow">http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/</a> </p>
<p>How do you feel about Cholera now being deployed as a WMD by Israel in Gaza, DavidT, as it was by the zionised invaders of Iraq?  No doubt celebrating Hanukkah without a care in the world, while the water wells grind to a halt in Gaza.</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10304</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Arch.

Hey, Toad Suck is a cool place!

Toad Suck is in Perry County, in the Little Rock metro area.
Local traditions say the community was named for early inhabitants - be they gamblers or river boatmen - who "sucked up whiskey like toads." The word "suck" in place names often refers to a salt lick or a channel of water.

If you've never been to Toad Suck Daze, go and give it a try. According to the founders of Toad Suck Daze, it has been voted the number 1 festival in Arkansas in 1998 and one of the Top 100 Events by the American Bus Association in 1997.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Arch.</p>
<p>Hey, Toad Suck is a cool place!</p>
<p>Toad Suck is in Perry County, in the Little Rock metro area.<br />
Local traditions say the community was named for early inhabitants - be they gamblers or river boatmen - who &#8220;sucked up whiskey like toads.&#8221; The word &#8220;suck&#8221; in place names often refers to a salt lick or a channel of water.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve never been to Toad Suck Daze, go and give it a try. According to the founders of Toad Suck Daze, it has been voted the number 1 festival in Arkansas in 1998 and one of the Top 100 Events by the American Bus Association in 1997.</p>
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		<title>By: Arch Stanton</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10303</link>
		<dc:creator>Arch Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess what jaime?  Discussion boards typically do delete posts from trolls, mudslingers, crypto fascists and other assorted psychotics.  But I do like your practice of making copies of your posts.  Xerox those babies up and distribute them, mailbox to mailbox, some place that can stomach them--oh, say, Toadsuck, Arkansas.  In the meantime, you just keep crying us a river, sweetheart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess what jaime?  Discussion boards typically do delete posts from trolls, mudslingers, crypto fascists and other assorted psychotics.  But I do like your practice of making copies of your posts.  Xerox those babies up and distribute them, mailbox to mailbox, some place that can stomach them&#8211;oh, say, Toadsuck, Arkansas.  In the meantime, you just keep crying us a river, sweetheart.</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10301</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The management regularly deletes posting that don't conform with their "revolutionary" dogma, which makes multi-faceted discussion something of a farce here. But many kinds of racist invective and outright untruths are tolerated as long as they're towards demonizing Israel and Jews. 

Management isn't so quick, however, to erase obvious libels and falsehoods that have been exposed. That's the moral position as I see it on DV anyway.

I find it's helpful to make copies of what I post here. Sometimes the editors tolerate the reposting of a rebuttal. Usually not. 

One of the most curious things to appear here lately was to see how Joshua Frank has been treated. Josh, who happens to be Jewish, shares editorial management here with Kim Petersen, who happens to maniacally antisemitic.  One wonders how that partnership sustains itself.

Anyway, within the last few days, Josh has been derided as a Zionist sympathizer by the usual racist idiots who post here, and seems to have taken it in stride. I think he'd rather ignore the contempt they have for him.  

Oh well, lie down with dogs, get up with fleas as they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The management regularly deletes posting that don&#8217;t conform with their &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; dogma, which makes multi-faceted discussion something of a farce here. But many kinds of racist invective and outright untruths are tolerated as long as they&#8217;re towards demonizing Israel and Jews. </p>
<p>Management isn&#8217;t so quick, however, to erase obvious libels and falsehoods that have been exposed. That&#8217;s the moral position as I see it on DV anyway.</p>
<p>I find it&#8217;s helpful to make copies of what I post here. Sometimes the editors tolerate the reposting of a rebuttal. Usually not. </p>
<p>One of the most curious things to appear here lately was to see how Joshua Frank has been treated. Josh, who happens to be Jewish, shares editorial management here with Kim Petersen, who happens to maniacally antisemitic.  One wonders how that partnership sustains itself.</p>
<p>Anyway, within the last few days, Josh has been derided as a Zionist sympathizer by the usual racist idiots who post here, and seems to have taken it in stride. I think he&#8217;d rather ignore the contempt they have for him.  </p>
<p>Oh well, lie down with dogs, get up with fleas as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilad Atzmon is a writer who has a long and dishonourable record of deploying racist arguments - and distributing the racist arguments of others - ostensibly in defence of the Palestinians. Google him and you’ll see what I mean.

In reality, however, Atzmon’s main focus - as you can see from this piece - are far left anti-Zionist jews (such as Rance and Greenstein) who campaign as jews (as opposed to “ex-jews”). 

I enjoy watching Gilad play out his identity crisis, as an Israeli jew, on the pages of radical left and Palestinian websites. However, what you get out of the spectacle, is anybody’s guess.

I appreciate that, having published an article by Atzmon, you'd not want to publish anything which indicates that the greater part of the far left in the UK think that Atzmon is either a racist, or (for the more conspiracist among you) a Mossad provocateur, trying to undermine pro-Palestinian politics by linking it with racism.

So I completely understand why you deleted my comment first time round. I wonder if you'll allow your readers to see it this time. Or whether you'll just let them work it out for themselves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilad Atzmon is a writer who has a long and dishonourable record of deploying racist arguments - and distributing the racist arguments of others - ostensibly in defence of the Palestinians. Google him and you’ll see what I mean.</p>
<p>In reality, however, Atzmon’s main focus - as you can see from this piece - are far left anti-Zionist jews (such as Rance and Greenstein) who campaign as jews (as opposed to “ex-jews”). </p>
<p>I enjoy watching Gilad play out his identity crisis, as an Israeli jew, on the pages of radical left and Palestinian websites. However, what you get out of the spectacle, is anybody’s guess.</p>
<p>I appreciate that, having published an article by Atzmon, you&#8217;d not want to publish anything which indicates that the greater part of the far left in the UK think that Atzmon is either a racist, or (for the more conspiracist among you) a Mossad provocateur, trying to undermine pro-Palestinian politics by linking it with racism.</p>
<p>So I completely understand why you deleted my comment first time round. I wonder if you&#8217;ll allow your readers to see it this time. Or whether you&#8217;ll just let them work it out for themselves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10259</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jaime,

I see you still won't take my sales advice..."OK SamZ, I’m going to call you on your pack of filthy lies"....terrible effort=D-

What I want you to work on is what Steve is trying to set up and instead of getting unrealistically emotional during an appeal to adults, try appearing objective and use the always effective unemotional questioning of facts -which helps them to seem dubious just by your neutral emotions shown in questioning them...you have passion, but if you want a future in this, you must control your hatred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jaime,</p>
<p>I see you still won&#8217;t take my sales advice&#8230;&#8221;OK SamZ, I’m going to call you on your pack of filthy lies&#8221;&#8230;.terrible effort=D-</p>
<p>What I want you to work on is what Steve is trying to set up and instead of getting unrealistically emotional during an appeal to adults, try appearing objective and use the always effective unemotional questioning of facts -which helps them to seem dubious just by your neutral emotions shown in questioning them&#8230;you have passion, but if you want a future in this, you must control your hatred</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10257</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Why pretend to be so forgiving and appeal to forgiveness only to betray it with "At least..."?  I swear some of the posters here either think as children or hope they are bluffing children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Why pretend to be so forgiving and appeal to forgiveness only to betray it with &#8220;At least&#8230;&#8221;?  I swear some of the posters here either think as children or hope they are bluffing children.</p>
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		<title>By: heike</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10246</link>
		<dc:creator>heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you get from this that Dershowitz says that Palestinians do not exist?

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9458

I think we both agree that Jerusalem should be divided essentially along demographic lines with the Palestinians controlling the Palestinian population and Israel controlling the Jewish population, that the borders between Israel and the Palestinian state should be based roughly on the U.N. Resolution 242, that Israel properly ended its occupation of the Gaza, and that it should end its occupation of all Palestinian cities and population centers on the West Bank, that terrorism must stop, and that the Palestinian state that results from this peace must be as contiguous as possible, and economically and politically viable.   //


And who ever said that Joan Peters represented "mainstream Zionist dogma"? (whatever that's supposed to mean)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you get from this that Dershowitz says that Palestinians do not exist?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9458" rel="nofollow">http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9458</a></p>
<p>I think we both agree that Jerusalem should be divided essentially along demographic lines with the Palestinians controlling the Palestinian population and Israel controlling the Jewish population, that the borders between Israel and the Palestinian state should be based roughly on the U.N. Resolution 242, that Israel properly ended its occupation of the Gaza, and that it should end its occupation of all Palestinian cities and population centers on the West Bank, that terrorism must stop, and that the Palestinian state that results from this peace must be as contiguous as possible, and economically and politically viable.   //</p>
<p>And who ever said that Joan Peters represented &#8220;mainstream Zionist dogma&#8221;? (whatever that&#8217;s supposed to mean)</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK SamZ, I'm going to call you on your pack of  filthy lies. 

Where does  "main stream Zionist dogma"  say anything like that? Let's see your sources...or is it something that you just made up and posted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK SamZ, I&#8217;m going to call you on your pack of  filthy lies. </p>
<p>Where does  &#8220;main stream Zionist dogma&#8221;  say anything like that? Let&#8217;s see your sources&#8230;or is it something that you just made up and posted?</p>
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		<title>By: SamZ</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10233</link>
		<dc:creator>SamZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Charb, you say: At least Israelis doesn’t resort to claiming that Palestinians have no right to exist...
I hate generalities, but it is an established -main stream-Zionist dogma that " Palestinians do not exist".   Joan Peters, Dershowitz etc...  so this means Palestinians can exist but not in their ancestral land? how's that different from Hamas when they say Israel should not exist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Charb, you say: At least Israelis doesn’t resort to claiming that Palestinians have no right to exist&#8230;<br />
I hate generalities, but it is an established -main stream-Zionist dogma that &#8221; Palestinians do not exist&#8221;.   Joan Peters, Dershowitz etc&#8230;  so this means Palestinians can exist but not in their ancestral land? how&#8217;s that different from Hamas when they say Israel should not exist?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Charb</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/#comment-10205</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Charb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"When people say 'Zionists,' they mean Jews-- you're talking anti-Semitism."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

I don't approve of all of Israel's actions. I hate Ehud Olmert like I hate George Bush. I view Israel as an unfortunately terror-gripped nation possessed by the same paranoia the U.S. is struggling to avoid. What I want is peace in the region, and it requires sacrifice on both parts. 

The first step is forgiveness. There are those on both sides who are willing to forgive the other, but the extremists controlling the message are preventing this from happening. 

At least Israelis doesn't resort to claiming that Palestinians have no right to exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When people say &#8216;Zionists,&#8217; they mean Jews&#8211; you&#8217;re talking anti-Semitism.&#8221;<br />
-Martin Luther King, Jr.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t approve of all of Israel&#8217;s actions. I hate Ehud Olmert like I hate George Bush. I view Israel as an unfortunately terror-gripped nation possessed by the same paranoia the U.S. is struggling to avoid. What I want is peace in the region, and it requires sacrifice on both parts. </p>
<p>The first step is forgiveness. There are those on both sides who are willing to forgive the other, but the extremists controlling the message are preventing this from happening. </p>
<p>At least Israelis doesn&#8217;t resort to claiming that Palestinians have no right to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gs when to the meds kick in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gs when to the meds kick in?</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can't fool mother Nature.
Anti-Semitism, which in itself is an oxymoron, will never stop as long as Jews believe and act like they believe they are "chosen." 
Not just Zionists, Lubivichers, Likudniks, etc., etc., but all Jews.
If this racist and spiritually bankrupt attitude persists, even on a low key level, then Mother Nature will continue to spank the usurpers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t fool mother Nature.<br />
Anti-Semitism, which in itself is an oxymoron, will never stop as long as Jews believe and act like they believe they are &#8220;chosen.&#8221;<br />
Not just Zionists, Lubivichers, Likudniks, etc., etc., but all Jews.<br />
If this racist and spiritually bankrupt attitude persists, even on a low key level, then Mother Nature will continue to spank the usurpers.</p>
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