Comments on: Note to Liberals: The Right Does Not “Hate Government” http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:19:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Mike McNiven http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11328 Mike McNiven Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:42:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11328 Thank you Mr. Steet! Markos Moulitsas is not qualified to speak for the people -- he tried his best to get into CIA. (google him!) That is why Newsweek gave him a page: preserve the system by pen instead of CIA's pistols! These "bush love-haters" are going to give us another Bill Clinton to suffer under! Thank you Mr. Steet!

Markos Moulitsas is not qualified to speak for the people — he tried his best to get into CIA. (google him!) That is why Newsweek gave him a page: preserve the system by pen instead of CIA’s pistols!

These “bush love-haters” are going to give us another Bill Clinton to suffer under!

]]> By: paul street http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11221 paul street Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:22:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11221 GS: Paul, your lengthy political commentary exhorts; ” “…liberals need to choose.” STREET: Well, it was concise for me, anyway. The word count on the article is 1,937. My ZNet pieces often run 4-5,000. I don't know if "exhorts" is quite right. The "liberals need to choose" is sort of thrown in rather meekly/weakly at the very end GS: Yessir, as true as night follows the day, but I already know that. STREET: I am aware that I may occasionallty (or even often) write things that some readers already know. GS: I would ask a very basic question; What “determines” and limits our choices? STREET: Oh a whole complex of things -- both external and internal --- I imagine. Fear of authority and reprisal and isolation within dominant leading institutions and dail/community lives; alienation/fear of alienation; rampant media misnformation; academic doctrine (lies our teachers told us); the winner-take-all corporate-crafted electoral system (talk about limited choices!); the privatizinng culture of neoliberalism; sit-coms; poverty (including time poverty- an underestimated democracy issue); whether you've ever been exposesd to real radicals and radical thought and were in a position to appreciate it all... Everybody has their own situation and predispositions towards acting safely within versus stepping with risk outside thedoctrinal box. With most liberals I've known (and I come from a liberal background and was always professionally surrounded by people wo called themselves liberals), one big block is a certain unwillingness to examine one's own investment and stake in the dominant order. I've known very few liberals from the actual "ruling class" but most of the ones I've met are certainly from the professional and managerial or coordinator class (within the the top 20 percent) and not really the working class and they have some reluctance to think about their own advantaged position. GS: Paul, your lengthy political commentary exhorts; ” “…liberals need to choose.”

STREET: Well, it was concise for me, anyway. The word count on the article is 1,937. My ZNet pieces often run 4-5,000.

I don’t know if “exhorts” is quite right. The “liberals need to choose” is sort of thrown in rather meekly/weakly at the very end

GS: Yessir, as true as night follows the day, but I already know that.

STREET: I am aware that I may occasionallty (or even often) write things that some readers already know.

GS: I would ask a very basic question; What “determines” and limits our choices?

STREET: Oh a whole complex of things — both external and internal — I imagine. Fear of authority and reprisal and isolation within dominant leading institutions and dail/community lives; alienation/fear of alienation; rampant media misnformation; academic doctrine (lies our teachers told us); the winner-take-all corporate-crafted electoral system (talk about limited choices!); the privatizinng culture of neoliberalism; sit-coms; poverty (including time poverty- an underestimated democracy issue); whether you’ve ever been exposesd to real radicals and radical thought and were in a position to appreciate it all…

Everybody has their own situation and predispositions towards acting safely within versus stepping with risk outside thedoctrinal box. With most liberals I’ve known (and I come from a liberal background and was always professionally surrounded by people wo called themselves liberals), one big block is a certain unwillingness to examine one’s own investment and stake in the dominant order. I’ve known very few liberals from the actual “ruling class” but most of the ones I’ve met are certainly from the professional and managerial or coordinator class (within the the top 20 percent) and not really the working class and they have some reluctance to think about their own advantaged position.

]]> By: Deadbeat http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11206 Deadbeat Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:55:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11206 <i>It was dismaying as early as 1980 to see how easily the public bought into Reagan’s lie that he was just “reducing big government” and balancing the budget in tight times, when what he was clearly doing was shoveling money from public programs designed to help people, such as social services and education, into government programs designed to harm people, such as prison, the military, and police. He deliberately tripled US debt in doing so, making it easy for him to say that there was no money for social services of education. That excuse continues to be used to this day, which was part of the right’s long-term plan. Sick that Americans still buy into it.</i> There was no dismay. Reagan used racism to help attract so-called "Reagan Democrats" over to the Republican camp. The Iran hostage crisis was also aided Reagan as well. Zionist were in the Reagan camp and were especially agitated by Carter's mediation between Egypt and Israel. In addition, Andrew Young was forced out as U.N. Ambassador when he met with the PLO. In addition you had Ed Koch, the Zionist mayor of NYC, agitate schism between African American and Jews helping to move "liberal" rightward as well with very little outcry and analysis from the left. Taken together encouraged "whites" to pull the lever for Ronald Reagan. It was dismaying as early as 1980 to see how easily the public bought into Reagan’s lie that he was just “reducing big government” and balancing the budget in tight times, when what he was clearly doing was shoveling money from public programs designed to help people, such as social services and education, into government programs designed to harm people, such as prison, the military, and police. He deliberately tripled US debt in doing so, making it easy for him to say that there was no money for social services of education. That excuse continues to be used to this day, which was part of the right’s long-term plan. Sick that Americans still buy into it.

There was no dismay. Reagan used racism to help attract so-called “Reagan Democrats” over to the Republican camp. The Iran hostage crisis was also aided Reagan as well. Zionist were in the Reagan camp and were especially agitated by Carter’s mediation between Egypt and Israel. In addition, Andrew Young was forced out as U.N. Ambassador when he met with the PLO. In addition you had Ed Koch, the Zionist mayor of NYC, agitate schism between African American and Jews helping to move “liberal” rightward as well with very little outcry and analysis from the left. Taken together encouraged “whites” to pull the lever for Ronald Reagan.

]]> By: deang http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11193 deang Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:09:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11193 It was dismaying as early as 1980 to see how easily the public bought into Reagan's lie that he was just "reducing big government" and balancing the budget in tight times, when what he was clearly doing was shoveling money from public programs designed to help people, such as social services and education, into government programs designed to harm people, such as prison, the military, and police. He deliberately tripled US debt in doing so, making it easy for him to say that there was no money for social services of education. That excuse continues to be used to this day, which was part of the right's long-term plan. Sick that Americans still buy into it. It was dismaying as early as 1980 to see how easily the public bought into Reagan’s lie that he was just “reducing big government” and balancing the budget in tight times, when what he was clearly doing was shoveling money from public programs designed to help people, such as social services and education, into government programs designed to harm people, such as prison, the military, and police. He deliberately tripled US debt in doing so, making it easy for him to say that there was no money for social services of education. That excuse continues to be used to this day, which was part of the right’s long-term plan. Sick that Americans still buy into it.

]]> By: gerald spezio http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11137 gerald spezio Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:55:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/note-to-liberals-the-right-does-not-%e2%80%9chate-government%e2%80%9d/#comment-11137 Paul, your lengthy political commentary exhorts; " "...liberals need to choose." Yessir, as true as night follows the day, but I already know that. I would ask a very basic question; What "determines" and limits our choices? Paul, your lengthy political commentary exhorts; ” “…liberals need to choose.”

Yessir, as true as night follows the day, but I already know that.

I would ask a very basic question; What “determines” and limits our choices?

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