http://www.hopoi.org/main.html

Iraq is gone.

All the rest is flapdoodle.

Irag is gone.

All the rest is flapdoodle.

“Far from acquitting Iran, the NIE reveals that Tehran continues to violate the international community’s calls to end the pursuit of the fuel cycle and the ability to make highly enriched uranium, concludes that Iran has utilized and has at its disposal a hidden, secret second unacknowledged, unmonitored track for enriching bomb fuel, and has engaged in a nuclear weaponization program, an assessment never before made public by the American intelligence community,”

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/105674.html

Israel has also dared to threaten Iran again by calling Iran “To co-operate or pay price.” Israel where is sitting on more than 200 nuclear bombs and has not allowed anyone to inspect its nuclear weapon facilities and is not part of NPT actually dares to warn Iran “either co-operate with the West over its uranium enrichment program or face military action.” to wipe Iran off the map like the Palestinians. Israel ignores the fact that Iran is part of NPT and to uranium enrichment for its fuel is an undeniable right available to NPT’s members.
It is even more comical to see those Zionists who do not learn anything from the past mistakes and continue with their campaign of lies and deception to convince ignorant people who are sitting on thousand of nuclear weapons to wage another Zionist war to support the Zionist expantionist policy in the region. To turn the international community against Iran they continue with their lies such as one by Robert Gates who said on Saturday December 8, “Iran is a grave threat to regional security even without nuclear weapons, and called on Tehran to account for American intelligence that describes its support for “terrorism” and “instability” around the world and reads Ahmadinejad’s mistranslation speech that “Iran’s president has made aggressive comments toward Israel, including a call in 2005 for Israel to be “wiped off the map” again.
Other Zionists continue with their lies on “dress code” which first was published in a pro Zionist newspaper, “National Post” of Canada by a puppet close to Neocon, Amir Taheri, who has been exposed as a liar and “National Post” was forced to apologize by its readers and its own stupidity and yet the Zionists continue to hold this lie against Iranian nation. Amir Taheri is an associate of Benador, a pro Israeli think tank.
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19504

Professor Leupp thank you for your article to tell “the other side of the story,” in order to remove the veil of ignorance for those who must see.

As you can see from “kneel”s response to what you articulated so clearly, he is not at all interested in “intelligent debate”. He’ll go on all day if he thinks anyone is paying attn. Trying to peddle tired lies, such as claiming Ahmedine said things he never said. So my recommendation to anyone coming to these questions without a lot of background is this: get your grounding from somebody else.

A newcomer could start with Lenni Brenner, or go straight to Herzl himself who makes no “neal”-style bones about what he has in mind. Jabotinsky was similarly candid. Which could explain why Mussolini was willing to fund his activities:)

Thanks for your interest,

Dan

There is a great deal of misogyny in Israel as well as racism toward Israeli Arabs. So it would appears that the U.S. should start bombing Israel to “liberate” women. Wasn’t this the “feminist” rational for bombing Afghanistan?

The system is working.

So far it has been overwhelming successful, but if it backfires - there could be hell in human society for all, including the perpetrators of the massive deceit.

The Zionists’ dis-information campaign will escalate.

The Zionists plan to continue winning, and will do anything to advance their murdering narcissism.

Actually, you misinterpreted my comment. The point I made about the world community was that if, as is alleged in the NIE, Iran makes its judgments based on a cost benefit analysis, why does Iran stand up to the world community, meaning e.g. the United Nations Security Council as well as the US, France, Britain and Germany.

I trust that you will provide the rejoinder that the noted nations - and even the UN Security Council - is not the world community. That is a fair point, so you do not have to repeat it. My point was the willingness to stand up against the world’s mains political and military powers.

As for the view that Iran is irrational and fanatical, I note that Iran hosted a conference - attended by the country’s leader - dedicated to calling into question events the wholesale slaughter of civilians by the Nazis. And, for the view that Iran is irrational and fanatical, the country’s leader claimed to have a religious vision at the UN that the occulted 12th Imam would very soon return. Then there is the effort to create a dress code for an entire country. And, the denial by Iran’s leader that Iran has any homosexuals. And, the fact that Iran still employs stoning (to death) as a penalty for breaking the law. And, the fact that the country oppresses religious dissidents such as the Baha’i. The list goes on and on.

He seems to have nothing to do but hang around webpages appending noxious “comments”, so my guess is he’s being paid out of “isreal”s treasury, just as was AIPAC founder Si Kenen back when nobody was paying attn. (cf. Grant F Smith, “Foreign Agents”, IRmep2007).

Recommendation: take a pass. Don’t waste your time & attn on this jerk.

http://www.counterpunch.org/fiyouzat12012007.html

This is actually a pretty good article. I have, however, a few criticisms.

First, how do we have any confidence in the report, since clearly the program that Iran had, whatever it actually was, managed to escape the notice of the spies until it came to light from other sources. So, how good are our sources?

Second, during the Summer of 2007 - at the very time you have it that the new evaluation was reached, one of the principal authors of the report told Congress completely different information. He stated, on July 17:

Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United States’ concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of Iran’s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons–despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.

This appears under the heading ‘Iran Assessed As Determined to Develop Nuclear Weapons.’ See http://www.odni.gov/testimonies/20070711_testimony.pdf

My point in quoting this is that we have a political judgment being made, both then and now, about how Iran intended to use its alleged civilian program. And, in fact, critics of the program note that, in fact, Iran is, by all accounts, developing ICBM’s which would be a pointless exercise since they are only useful for purposes of carrying nuclear weapons.

Critics of the report point out three other things. One. They note that the time to convert the program that, if the NIE is correct, Iran clearly has (i.e. an enrichment program), the time to militarize the program is months, not years. Two. They point out that the report indicates clearly that they do not know what Iran’s intentions are, only that they have high confidence about what was in 2003. Three. They note skeptically why Iran would stand up to the world community if the program they have is really for civilian purposes. After all, it is not as if Iran has a problem with access to oil.

So, we remain in complete mystery. If, in fact, you are correct, the NIE is a good product that will help prevent a war. If, however, you are incorrect and the critics are correct, then Iran will, in due course, work to complete the three legs of a program: (a) the civilian program, (b) the ICBM program (which no one disputes) and (c) the conversion of the civilian program into a military program, once the civilian program is complete; and, having neared the end of the program with the world sidelined by the NIE report, there could be an even worse war.