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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/bhutto-bush-and-musharraf/#comment-12216</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Keith who wants Mr. Chuckman to use his expertise and give us more information when he writes about central Asian region, important to the empire, and the violence associated with these countries especially with Pakistani army.   Here are few factors that one should include:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aey7CW2n_r8&#38;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Keith who wants Mr. Chuckman to use his expertise and give us more information when he writes about central Asian region, important to the empire, and the violence associated with these countries especially with Pakistani army.   Here are few factors that one should include:</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=aey7CW2n_r8&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=aey7CW2n_r8&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/bhutto-bush-and-musharraf/#comment-12063</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me , but i posted a comment here recently....what happened to it??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me , but i posted a comment here recently&#8230;.what happened to it??????</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/bhutto-bush-and-musharraf/#comment-11993</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
True democracy for a place like Pakistan is a long way off, not because of this or that leader or party, but because of the country’s backward economic state. This is even truer for Afghanistan. You cannot instantly create democracies out of lands living in centuries-old economies, burdened with centuries-old customs. 
&lt;/i&gt;

This reminds me of something &lt;a href="http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/Culture/Intellectuals/talkingindia.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ashis Nandy&lt;/a&gt;, one of the most astute commentators on (and from) that part of the world, said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
...most Marxists hate the proletariat. Only they do not know that. The proletariat doesn’t seem to them adequately revolutionary, knowledgeable, or conscientized.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Teleological ideologues--whether Marxist, Neoconservative, or Liberal--who want to force entire peoples into the Procrustean bed of their cherished ideal haven't learned much from blood-drenched 20'th century. A healthier alternative was chosen by the late Pakistani activist/author, Eqbal Ahmad whose &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Writings-Eqbal-Ahmad/dp/0231127111" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Selected Writings&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; remain valuable years after his death. Here's an excerpt from a &lt;a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061127/kumar" rel="nofollow"&gt;review&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
For some members of the radical left, particularly in the West, people in developing countries are an ideological abstraction, on whom fantasies of liberation are projected from a comfortable distance. These fantasies are not infrequently laced with condescension. Ahmad, by contrast, was led into political activism by a genuine love and compassion for the peoples of the Third World, who were anything but strangers to him. "To identify him with an ideology, as if he were a fully formed Western man," Nandy told me, "is to do him an injustice. He fought for causes in the Third World and had a robust, life-affirming attitude towards the people among whom he fought."
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><br />
True democracy for a place like Pakistan is a long way off, not because of this or that leader or party, but because of the country’s backward economic state. This is even truer for Afghanistan. You cannot instantly create democracies out of lands living in centuries-old economies, burdened with centuries-old customs.<br />
</i></p>
<p>This reminds me of something <a href="http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/Culture/Intellectuals/talkingindia.html" rel="nofollow">Ashis Nandy</a>, one of the most astute commentators on (and from) that part of the world, said:</p>
<blockquote><p>
&#8230;most Marxists hate the proletariat. Only they do not know that. The proletariat doesn’t seem to them adequately revolutionary, knowledgeable, or conscientized.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Teleological ideologues&#8211;whether Marxist, Neoconservative, or Liberal&#8211;who want to force entire peoples into the Procrustean bed of their cherished ideal haven&#8217;t learned much from blood-drenched 20&#8242;th century. A healthier alternative was chosen by the late Pakistani activist/author, Eqbal Ahmad whose <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Writings-Eqbal-Ahmad/dp/0231127111" rel="nofollow"><i>Selected Writings</i></a> remain valuable years after his death. Here&#8217;s an excerpt from a <a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061127/kumar" rel="nofollow">review</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
For some members of the radical left, particularly in the West, people in developing countries are an ideological abstraction, on whom fantasies of liberation are projected from a comfortable distance. These fantasies are not infrequently laced with condescension. Ahmad, by contrast, was led into political activism by a genuine love and compassion for the peoples of the Third World, who were anything but strangers to him. &#8220;To identify him with an ideology, as if he were a fully formed Western man,&#8221; Nandy told me, &#8220;is to do him an injustice. He fought for causes in the Third World and had a robust, life-affirming attitude towards the people among whom he fought.&#8221;
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/bhutto-bush-and-musharraf/#comment-11979</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those alert, you may have seen the aljazeera interview with Sir david Frost where Ms Bhutto claimed Bin Laden had been murdered by Omar Sheik, the killer of Daniel Pearl. You may not be aware that the BBC has censored this interview:

Ive written to the BBC to complain:

'hello BBC
You may be aware that back in November 2007, Sir David
Frost interviewed the late Ms Bhutto for Al-jazeera.
In that interview, MS Bhutto made the remarkable claim
that Omar Sheik had murdered Osama Bin Laden. Whatever
the truth of that, this bit of the tape was edited out
by the BBC:

Here is the BBC version:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7070000/newsid_7075800/7075843.stm?bw=nb&#38;mp=wm&#38;news=1&#38;ms3=6&#38;ms_javascript=true&#38;nol_storyid=7075843&#38;bbcws=2#

 At approximately 05:04 in the interview, it cuts to
David Frost to cover up the visual discontinuity that
would be there if Bhutto was shown saying "..murdered
Bin Laden"

Here is the aljazeera interview, where she makes her
statement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

Here is the full interview. The Bin Laden reference is
at 6.15:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ

WHY was that bit of the interview cut from the BBC
version? Please explain. This looks as if BBC is
engaging in censorship

regards
Brian Souter'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those alert, you may have seen the aljazeera interview with Sir david Frost where Ms Bhutto claimed Bin Laden had been murdered by Omar Sheik, the killer of Daniel Pearl. You may not be aware that the BBC has censored this interview:</p>
<p>Ive written to the BBC to complain:</p>
<p>&#8216;hello BBC<br />
You may be aware that back in November 2007, Sir David<br />
Frost interviewed the late Ms Bhutto for Al-jazeera.<br />
In that interview, MS Bhutto made the remarkable claim<br />
that Omar Sheik had murdered Osama Bin Laden. Whatever<br />
the truth of that, this bit of the tape was edited out<br />
by the BBC:</p>
<p>Here is the BBC version:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7070000/newsid_7075800/7075843.stm?bw=nb&amp;mp=wm&amp;news=1&amp;ms3=6&amp;ms_javascript=true&amp;nol_storyid=7075843&amp;bbcws=2#" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7070000/newsid_7075800/7075843.stm?bw=nb&amp;mp=wm&amp;news=1&amp;ms3=6&amp;ms_javascript=true&amp;nol_storyid=7075843&amp;bbcws=2#</a></p>
<p> At approximately 05:04 in the interview, it cuts to<br />
David Frost to cover up the visual discontinuity that<br />
would be there if Bhutto was shown saying &#8220;..murdered<br />
Bin Laden&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is the aljazeera interview, where she makes her<br />
statement:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg</a></p>
<p>Here is the full interview. The Bin Laden reference is<br />
at 6.15:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ</a></p>
<p>WHY was that bit of the interview cut from the BBC<br />
version? Please explain. This looks as if BBC is<br />
engaging in censorship</p>
<p>regards<br />
Brian Souter&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Leal</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/bhutto-bush-and-musharraf/#comment-11953</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Leal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Mr Chuckman. Now, since you are an ex-oil industry employee, let's see something on the real reason for the US/NATO Afghan war... Like pipeline transit corridors from the Caspian Basin and Central Asia to the Pakistani coast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Mr Chuckman. Now, since you are an ex-oil industry employee, let&#8217;s see something on the real reason for the US/NATO Afghan war&#8230; Like pipeline transit corridors from the Caspian Basin and Central Asia to the Pakistani coast?</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/bhutto-bush-and-musharraf/#comment-11923</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
True democracy for a place like Pakistan is a long way off, not because of this or that leader or party, but because of the country’s backward economic state. This is even truer for Afghanistan. You cannot instantly create democracies out of lands living in centuries-old economies, burdened with centuries-old customs. 
&lt;/i&gt;

This reminds me of something &lt;a href="http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/Culture/Intellectuals/talkingindia.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ashis Nandy&lt;/a&gt;, one of the most astute commentators on (and from) that part of the world, said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
...most Marxists hate the proletariat. Only they do not know that. The proletariat doesn’t seem to them adequately revolutionary, knowledgeable, or conscientized.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Teleological ideologues--whether Marxist, Neoconservative, or Liberal--who want to force entire peoples into the Procrustean bed of their cherished ideal haven't learned much from bloodbaths of the 20'th century. A healthier alternative was chosen by the late Pakistani activist/author, Eqbal Ahmad whose &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Writings-Eqbal-Ahmad/dp/0231127111" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Selected Writings&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; remain valuable years after his death. Here's an excerpt from a &lt;a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061127/kumar" rel="nofollow"&gt;review&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
For some members of the radical left, particularly in the West, people in developing countries are an ideological abstraction, on whom fantasies of liberation are projected from a comfortable distance. These fantasies are not infrequently laced with condescension. Ahmad, by contrast, was led into political activism by a genuine love and compassion for the peoples of the Third World, who were anything but strangers to him. "To identify him with an ideology, as if he were a fully formed Western man," Nandy told me, "is to do him an injustice. He fought for causes in the Third World and had a robust, life-affirming attitude towards the people among whom he fought."
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><br />
True democracy for a place like Pakistan is a long way off, not because of this or that leader or party, but because of the country’s backward economic state. This is even truer for Afghanistan. You cannot instantly create democracies out of lands living in centuries-old economies, burdened with centuries-old customs.<br />
</i></p>
<p>This reminds me of something <a href="http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/Culture/Intellectuals/talkingindia.html" rel="nofollow">Ashis Nandy</a>, one of the most astute commentators on (and from) that part of the world, said:</p>
<blockquote><p>
&#8230;most Marxists hate the proletariat. Only they do not know that. The proletariat doesn’t seem to them adequately revolutionary, knowledgeable, or conscientized.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Teleological ideologues&#8211;whether Marxist, Neoconservative, or Liberal&#8211;who want to force entire peoples into the Procrustean bed of their cherished ideal haven&#8217;t learned much from bloodbaths of the 20&#8242;th century. A healthier alternative was chosen by the late Pakistani activist/author, Eqbal Ahmad whose <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Writings-Eqbal-Ahmad/dp/0231127111" rel="nofollow"><i>Selected Writings</i></a> remain valuable years after his death. Here&#8217;s an excerpt from a <a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061127/kumar" rel="nofollow">review</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
For some members of the radical left, particularly in the West, people in developing countries are an ideological abstraction, on whom fantasies of liberation are projected from a comfortable distance. These fantasies are not infrequently laced with condescension. Ahmad, by contrast, was led into political activism by a genuine love and compassion for the peoples of the Third World, who were anything but strangers to him. &#8220;To identify him with an ideology, as if he were a fully formed Western man,&#8221; Nandy told me, &#8220;is to do him an injustice. He fought for causes in the Third World and had a robust, life-affirming attitude towards the people among whom he fought.&#8221;
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