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		<title>By: Dissident Voice : June 8, 1967: July 4th in Hell without the Ice Cream</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-11519</link>
		<dc:creator>Dissident Voice : June 8, 1967: July 4th in Hell without the Ice Cream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] previous parts: Remembering the USS Liberty, The Torpedo that Hit the USS Liberty: Made in the USA?, and Seconding Captain McGonagle’s Two [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8627</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL at the right wing zionist cabal that follows me all over the www, and continues to regurgitate about the October 13, 2007 conference where I WOKE UP about the injustices done to our Veterans on the LIBERTY and the callous disregard by our government!!!

MY STATEMENT about that conference can be read @

WAWA Blog October 16, 2007:
What happened on October 13, 2007 in California and "It's NOT over 'till the fat lady sings"

http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&#38;task=view&#38;id=680&#38;Itemid=179

I am also THANKING GOD for Ken and his offer to HELP this little one with all the grunt work: fact checking for the articles/book? that will be pouring out of me seeking JUSTICE for the LIBERTY VETS and honoring the dead who were cold blood-edly MURDERED by Israel!

And I confess:

Yes, I make mistakes.

Yes, I am naive and I can be gullible for I have a child-like faith that enables me to see the good in everyone, 

I am NOT an idiot and I know people lie, mislead and will screw me over,

BUT!

I continue to trust God's promise that ALL things work for the GOOD for those who LOVE God and are called to his purpose. -Romans 8:28


"IT WAS GOD THAT KEPT THE LIBERTY AFLOAT!"-

I believe-I KNOW that!


And I have been told that by every LIBERTY survivor and supporter I have spoken to thus far!

AND:

I have ONLY just begun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL at the right wing zionist cabal that follows me all over the www, and continues to regurgitate about the October 13, 2007 conference where I WOKE UP about the injustices done to our Veterans on the LIBERTY and the callous disregard by our government!!!</p>
<p>MY STATEMENT about that conference can be read @</p>
<p>WAWA Blog October 16, 2007:<br />
What happened on October 13, 2007 in California and &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT over &#8217;till the fat lady sings&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=680&amp;Itemid=179" rel="nofollow">http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=680&amp;Itemid=179</a></p>
<p>I am also THANKING GOD for Ken and his offer to HELP this little one with all the grunt work: fact checking for the articles/book? that will be pouring out of me seeking JUSTICE for the LIBERTY VETS and honoring the dead who were cold blood-edly MURDERED by Israel!</p>
<p>And I confess:</p>
<p>Yes, I make mistakes.</p>
<p>Yes, I am naive and I can be gullible for I have a child-like faith that enables me to see the good in everyone, </p>
<p>I am NOT an idiot and I know people lie, mislead and will screw me over,</p>
<p>BUT!</p>
<p>I continue to trust God&#8217;s promise that ALL things work for the GOOD for those who LOVE God and are called to his purpose. -Romans 8:28</p>
<p>&#8220;IT WAS GOD THAT KEPT THE LIBERTY AFLOAT!&#8221;-</p>
<p>I believe-I KNOW that!</p>
<p>And I have been told that by every LIBERTY survivor and supporter I have spoken to thus far!</p>
<p>AND:</p>
<p>I have ONLY just begun!</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were the Waffen SS even Germans? I thought they were mostly other Europeans from practically every country in Europe, who enlisted to protect their countries from the dreaded Russians, or as they were known then, the Jewish Bolsheviks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the Waffen SS even Germans? I thought they were mostly other Europeans from practically every country in Europe, who enlisted to protect their countries from the dreaded Russians, or as they were known then, the Jewish Bolsheviks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8605</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;...A former Navy Corpsman (67-71), I will say what my brothers cannot say, I think 9/11 was an Israeli false flag operation, and before that, the assassination of JFK, the pasty being Oswald.
   The thesis of Far Right-Wingnut Michael Collins Piper in, 
http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/final_jgmt_reviews.htm Longtime writer for Willis Carto's newspapers, The American Free Press and The Spotlight. And The Barnes Review, a Holocaust Denial journal full of favorable articles on the Nazi Waffen SS. 
http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2006w50/msg00032.htm
 [Marxism] Holocaust 'revisionist' carnival in Iran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8230;A former Navy Corpsman (67-71), I will say what my brothers cannot say, I think 9/11 was an Israeli false flag operation, and before that, the assassination of JFK, the pasty being Oswald.<br />
   The thesis of Far Right-Wingnut Michael Collins Piper in,<br />
<a href="http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/final_jgmt_reviews.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/final_jgmt_reviews.htm</a> Longtime writer for Willis Carto&#8217;s newspapers, The American Free Press and The Spotlight. And The Barnes Review, a Holocaust Denial journal full of favorable articles on the Nazi Waffen SS.<br />
<a href="http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2006w50/msg00032.htm" rel="nofollow">http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2006w50/msg00032.htm</a><br />
 [Marxism] Holocaust &#8216;revisionist&#8217; carnival in Iran</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Proyect</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8604</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Proyect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen needs to do more fact checking before she appears at conferences with neo-Nazis, 2007 October 14 &#124; The Official Website of Representative David ...
The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD. ... Mike Piper, Rabbi Dov Weiss, Paul Fromm, Wendy Campbell, Dr. Frederick Toben, Eileen Fleming, ...
www.davidduke.com/date/2007/10/14
http://www.davidduke.com/general/zio-lobby-shuts-down-no-more-wars-for-israel-conference-first-amendment-rights-violated-boycott-of-anti-american-marriott-corporation-urged_2911.html
 http://onepeoplesproject.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&#38;task=view&#38;id=82&#38;Itemid=27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Fredrick_T%C3%B6ben
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen needs to do more fact checking before she appears at conferences with neo-Nazis, 2007 October 14 | The Official Website of Representative David &#8230;<br />
The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD. &#8230; Mike Piper, Rabbi Dov Weiss, Paul Fromm, Wendy Campbell, Dr. Frederick Toben, Eileen Fleming, &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.davidduke.com/date/2007/10/14" rel="nofollow">http://www.davidduke.com/date/2007/10/14</a><br />
<a href="http://www.davidduke.com/general/zio-lobby-shuts-down-no-more-wars-for-israel-conference-first-amendment-rights-violated-boycott-of-anti-american-marriott-corporation-urged_2911.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.davidduke.com/general/zio-lobby-shuts-down-no-more-wars-for-israel-conference-first-amendment-rights-violated-boycott-of-anti-american-marriott-corporation-urged_2911.html</a><br />
 <a href="http://onepeoplesproject.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=82&amp;Itemid=27" rel="nofollow">http://onepeoplesproject.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=82&amp;Itemid=27</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Fredrick_T%C3%B6ben" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Fredrick_T%C3%B6ben</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8603</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to my previous technical fact-checking comment: The final radiotelephone link, for the voice communications channel between Geiss and McNamara, would have been via a land-based NORATS (Navy Operational RAdio and Telephone Switchboard) equipped communications station (e.g., NAVCOMSTA Morocco) and the ship carrying Giess.

The radiotelephone link could have been either secure or unsecure.  At that time, secure radiotelephone links were possible via narrowband (i.e., voice frequency) terminal equipment like the HY-2/KG-13 combination.  (The HY-2 encoded/decoded voice to/from a narrowband digital signal, and the KG-13 encrypted/decrypted the HY-2's digital signal for transmission/reception via a narrowband modem and radiotelephone link.) 

Of course, whether or not the radiotelephone link was secure or unsecure isn't too important.  The important point is that McNamara's communicaton with Geiss revealed his willingness to put the political interests of Israel and the Johnson administration above the lives of America sailors under his command.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to my previous technical fact-checking comment: The final radiotelephone link, for the voice communications channel between Geiss and McNamara, would have been via a land-based NORATS (Navy Operational RAdio and Telephone Switchboard) equipped communications station (e.g., NAVCOMSTA Morocco) and the ship carrying Giess.</p>
<p>The radiotelephone link could have been either secure or unsecure.  At that time, secure radiotelephone links were possible via narrowband (i.e., voice frequency) terminal equipment like the HY-2/KG-13 combination.  (The HY-2 encoded/decoded voice to/from a narrowband digital signal, and the KG-13 encrypted/decrypted the HY-2&#8217;s digital signal for transmission/reception via a narrowband modem and radiotelephone link.) </p>
<p>Of course, whether or not the radiotelephone link was secure or unsecure isn&#8217;t too important.  The important point is that McNamara&#8217;s communicaton with Geiss revealed his willingness to put the political interests of Israel and the Johnson administration above the lives of America sailors under his command.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardie</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8583</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A former Navy Corpsman (67-71), I will say what my brothers cannot say, I think 9/11 was an Israeli false flag operation, and before that, the assassination of JFK, the pasty being Oswald.  

With regard to 9/11 as with any police investigation, Israel can't be ruled out.  Turning to JFK, I found this on LexisNexis Academic: 

"Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu has said Jerusalem was behind the assassination of President John F Kennedy, who was exerting pressure on the then Jewish head of the state to shed light on the Dimona nuclear plant" (The Statesman (India) July 27, 2004).

I am beginning to wonder who is going to stand up for America?  But I have the gut feeling that something is going to happen in which the gods will be on our side, calling forth the Nemesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A former Navy Corpsman (67-71), I will say what my brothers cannot say, I think 9/11 was an Israeli false flag operation, and before that, the assassination of JFK, the pasty being Oswald.  </p>
<p>With regard to 9/11 as with any police investigation, Israel can&#8217;t be ruled out.  Turning to JFK, I found this on LexisNexis Academic: </p>
<p>&#8220;Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu has said Jerusalem was behind the assassination of President John F Kennedy, who was exerting pressure on the then Jewish head of the state to shed light on the Dimona nuclear plant&#8221; (The Statesman (India) July 27, 2004).</p>
<p>I am beginning to wonder who is going to stand up for America?  But I have the gut feeling that something is going to happen in which the gods will be on our side, calling forth the Nemesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8580</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen,  I've been deeply involved in investigating the USS Liberty attack for about four years.   Some results of my efforts are posted here: ussliberty-inquiry.us

I'll contact you via email...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen,  I&#8217;ve been deeply involved in investigating the USS Liberty attack for about four years.   Some results of my efforts are posted here: ussliberty-inquiry.us</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll contact you via email&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8578</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RESPONSE from Dave Ed Lewis:

   I did say hydraulic fluid not hydrochloric but I did use the wrong
terminology for the phone hook-up,  It was AUTOVON.  After all these years ones memory lapses..  

There was no AUTOSEVOCOM (secure communications) to
the ships as Cristol was quick to point out.  MacNamara learned of the
attack by CRITICOMM.  He communicated to the ships by AUTOVON.  I tried not to  get into technical detail.   - Dave Lewis



Thanks again to Ken for his sharp eyes and knowledge.

Ken, I seriously hope you will consider helping this over burdened, techie-challenged pro-bono civilian journalist out and be my pro-bono fact checker for my [third] book which will be about the LIBERTY!

Only in Solidarity do "We have it in our power to begin the world again"
Tom Paine

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RESPONSE from Dave Ed Lewis:</p>
<p>   I did say hydraulic fluid not hydrochloric but I did use the wrong<br />
terminology for the phone hook-up,  It was AUTOVON.  After all these years ones memory lapses..  </p>
<p>There was no AUTOSEVOCOM (secure communications) to<br />
the ships as Cristol was quick to point out.  MacNamara learned of the<br />
attack by CRITICOMM.  He communicated to the ships by AUTOVON.  I tried not to  get into technical detail.   - Dave Lewis</p>
<p>Thanks again to Ken for his sharp eyes and knowledge.</p>
<p>Ken, I seriously hope you will consider helping this over burdened, techie-challenged pro-bono civilian journalist out and be my pro-bono fact checker for my [third] book which will be about the LIBERTY!</p>
<p>Only in Solidarity do &#8220;We have it in our power to begin the world again&#8221;<br />
Tom Paine</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8572</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ken,

Thanks for your info and I will FWD it onto Dave Ed Lewis and a few of the other LIBERTY Vet's  to get this all cleared up and will be back.

I also wonder how come you know so much?

And, might you be interested in being my fact checker and editor as I have only just begun following this story.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ken,</p>
<p>Thanks for your info and I will FWD it onto Dave Ed Lewis and a few of the other LIBERTY Vet&#8217;s  to get this all cleared up and will be back.</p>
<p>I also wonder how come you know so much?</p>
<p>And, might you be interested in being my fact checker and editor as I have only just begun following this story.</p>
<p>e</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8568</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She didn't get the murdered sailors part wrong.</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/remembering-liberty-and-calling-for-a-second-american-revolution/#comment-8559</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is full of technical misinformation.

For example, the quote from Dave Lewis: "...  All of [the antennas] were knocked out except for one that never worked right.  It was also the first satellite communications in the U.S.A. It leaked hydrochloric fluid but when it worked right, it bounced off the moon."

What was the first satellite communications in the U.S.A.?  Is Dave Lewis talking about the TRSSCOMM antenna?  If so, it leaked hydraulic fluid, not hydrochloric fluid.

Here's another example: "McNamara had been talking to Geiss on an unsecured but plain language telephone, the Automatic Digital Network; Autodin. ... CRITTICOM (sic) is how Geiss and McNamara exchanged information.”

AUTODIN was a data communications network used for automatically routing (teleprinter) traffic, not voice traffic.  If McNamara was talking with Geiss, he was likely using either a secure (encrypted) or unsecure voice channel via HF (High Frequency) radio;  i.e., radiotelephone.  The CRITICOMM network was used for CRITical Intelligence COMMications via teleprinter -- not voice.  (The automatic routing networks for secure and unsecure voice traffic were AUTOSEVOCOMM and AUTOVON, respectively.)

The author's reliance on Peter Hounam's "research" material for fact-finding is misplaced.  Hounam's work is peppered with technical misinformation.   (By the way, it was an Electronics Technician, not a Signalman, who ran a large coax cable from the transmitter room to the port-side whip antenna, on the aft side, main deck.)

With all of the fairly reliable technical reference information assets available on the Internet these days, it doesn't take a lot of effort to do fact-checking -- especially on claims involving technical matters.  The fact that the author of this article didn't bother to get her technical facts straight leads one to wonder what other "facts" about the matter she got wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is full of technical misinformation.</p>
<p>For example, the quote from Dave Lewis: &#8220;&#8230;  All of [the antennas] were knocked out except for one that never worked right.  It was also the first satellite communications in the U.S.A. It leaked hydrochloric fluid but when it worked right, it bounced off the moon.&#8221;</p>
<p>What was the first satellite communications in the U.S.A.?  Is Dave Lewis talking about the TRSSCOMM antenna?  If so, it leaked hydraulic fluid, not hydrochloric fluid.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another example: &#8220;McNamara had been talking to Geiss on an unsecured but plain language telephone, the Automatic Digital Network; Autodin. &#8230; CRITTICOM (sic) is how Geiss and McNamara exchanged information.”</p>
<p>AUTODIN was a data communications network used for automatically routing (teleprinter) traffic, not voice traffic.  If McNamara was talking with Geiss, he was likely using either a secure (encrypted) or unsecure voice channel via HF (High Frequency) radio;  i.e., radiotelephone.  The CRITICOMM network was used for CRITical Intelligence COMMications via teleprinter &#8212; not voice.  (The automatic routing networks for secure and unsecure voice traffic were AUTOSEVOCOMM and AUTOVON, respectively.)</p>
<p>The author&#8217;s reliance on Peter Hounam&#8217;s &#8220;research&#8221; material for fact-finding is misplaced.  Hounam&#8217;s work is peppered with technical misinformation.   (By the way, it was an Electronics Technician, not a Signalman, who ran a large coax cable from the transmitter room to the port-side whip antenna, on the aft side, main deck.)</p>
<p>With all of the fairly reliable technical reference information assets available on the Internet these days, it doesn&#8217;t take a lot of effort to do fact-checking &#8212; especially on claims involving technical matters.  The fact that the author of this article didn&#8217;t bother to get her technical facts straight leads one to wonder what other &#8220;facts&#8221; about the matter she got wrong.</p>
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