http://www.counterpunch.org/fiyouzat12012007.html

“The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world,” the President told a conference in Tehran entitled ‘the world without Zionism’.
And now this:
Tehran, Oct 26 - Iran’s President Mahmud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday called for Israel to be “wiped off the map”.
“The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world,” the President told a conference in Tehran entitled ‘the world without Zionism’.”
If he is talking about a physical destruction of Israel why does he uses ‘Zionist regime’ repeatedly? If the aim is physical destruction of Israel and not Zionism, as some of the Zionist liars claim, then why do they call the conference: “The World Without Zionism” and not “The World without Israel”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mScWWtRfGQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wiped_off_the_page_of_time.22_translation_Zionism.22_speech

On the contrary, the Zionists and their petty servants who are sitting in the ‘black house’ and the senate and the congress who are determined to destroy Iran to bring about a “map change” of the
Middle East, to wipe Iran off the map to create new puppet states like Kurdistan to favor Israel as ‘Super Power of the region” and eliminate Israel’s enemies against the fact that Iran had historically been the power of the region and more likely this is going to continue.
This is a ZIONIST WAR and against the interest of American people, therefore, everyone must make sure the war never starts otherwise those servants of the Zionist interest are the first to be brunt in the fire of their own STUPIDITY.
In fact Zionists have brought so many lies to convince American people to sacrifice their financial resources and interest in the world to save a racist and illegitimate microscopic state which is a liability to American interest, at least, in the region and since its inception by the colonial power, the world has seen nothing but genocide and destruction.
To force American and international community into another ZIONIST WAR, they have brought charges such as ‘DRESS CODE’ against Iran which was authored by their Iranian petty servant in the name of Amir Taheri regarding new legislation in Iranian parliament allegedly requiring Jews and other religious minorities to wear distinctive colored badges which was published in a pro Zionist newspaper, National Post of Canada, which ran alongside the story a 1935 photograph of a Jewish businessman in Berlin with a yellow six-pointed star sewn on his overcoat, as required by Nazi legislation at the time. Through this exhibition, Zionists tried to convince the international community that Iran is Nazi Germany and by manipulation of Ahmadinezad’s speech in his own country with Iranian people on “the world without Zionism” to present the president as a ‘new Hitler’ to warn the ignorant people of an existential danger to the microscopic state so the petty servants of the Zionism in the ‘black house’ use their resources to WIPE IRAN OFF THE MAP.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6626a0fa-99de-4f1e-aebe-bb91af82abb3
http://www.nysun.com/article/33126
In fact this threat has been so exaggerated that forced the former Mossad into action to downplays Iranian ‘threat’ and said”
“The Iranian threat to Israel is substantive but not existential,”
according to former Mossad Chief Ephraim Halevy.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/914171.html
Later their lies were exposed: and they had no other choices except to APOLOGIZE:
Our mistake: Note to readers
Douglas Kelly, National Post
Published: Wednesday, May 24, 2006
“Last Friday, the National Post ran a story prominently on the front page alleging that the Iranian parliament had passed a law that, if enacted, would require Jews and other religious minorities in Iran to wear badges that would identify them as such in public. It is now clear the story is not true.”
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6df3e493-f350-4b53-bc16-53262b49a4f7
The real idea behind the bill which was passed by the Iranian parliament was to encourage Iranian-Islamic pattern, fabric and fashion to limit the influence of western dress code to help the local businesses regarding usage of fabric, design and other related material.
http://hoder.com/weblog/archives/015264.shtml
The United States has not used diplomatic channel to solve the manufactured “crisis” yet. They have lied when they implied to have done that. Iran has not even received similar offer as North Korea
received, North Korea has been given security guarantees. So it is obvious that they are not interested in negotiation rather they have a mission to carry out the ZIONIST AGENDA. If the United States looking for her interest must abandon the Zionist plan and should provide Iran with a legal bindingly document which clearly recognizes THE RIGHT OF IRAN TO ENRICHMENT for its fuel requirement and publishes it widely to be know to the world and then Iran can postpone, for a short time, the enrichment during which the negotiation can
take place, otherwise US is lying when says we are using the diplomatic channel!!
Meanwhile, the population of earth should wear an ORANGE color either a coat or pans or whatever is noticeable on NOVEMBER 16, 2007 to send a clear message to the ‘black house’ that the world is against any aggression, military or economic sanction, against Iran and those who start such an aggression are the first to be burnt in the fire of their own stupidity.

“…Wars seem to be a natural solution because its [sic] a partial remedy that can be created over and over.It does create jobs and growth ,More money for research and techknowledgy [sic] and advancement in knowledge and health!”

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Reading the above…er… sentences…

that could’ve been torn straight out of the pages of Hitler’s ‘Mein Kamph’ –

DV readers may wish to gasp in utter astonishment at exactly what “judgementals” US military personnel were/are being indoctrinated with, behind closed US military establishments – and all paid for with US citizen’s tax dollars…

Sir,I served in the military and been to Iraq during the first war! Have you been there? Do you know whats going on besides news reports. Do you know what they think and feel? Have you even made a kill in battle? Of cource not-You just spew you mouth with a prethra of words because you dont know what your talking about!

Mr Eskimo-do us all a favor and live in your Igloo.Your safe because thousands have died for your safety and continue to!

I love how you continue to name call by useing names such as with ill-educated, warmongering, juvenile delinquents whose lusts to see yet more blood and guts than that currently flowing and spilling is apparently insatiable…

You sir are truly an asshole!

Mr. Peterson – you’re building a fine archive here, marred only by some of your blog’s…er… ‘contributors’ – whether these be out an out Islamophobes on the one hand, or crypto Jew-haters on the other…

Please do not confuse my posts [as you have above] with ill-educated, warmongering, juvenile delinquents whose lusts to see yet more blood and guts than that currently flowing and spilling is apparently insatiable…

If you bother to investigate what Israelis say to each other, they think that Iran is a clear and present threat, an imminent danger that needs to be stopped before it destroys Israel. That view pervades Israeli society, from the top to the bottom. And, if there Ms. Livni said something different in public, such does not represent the views her government holds internally, as has been widely reported. Knowing numerous Israelis, I can tell you for a fact that such is the Israeli viewpoint of, say, 85% of all Israelis, regardless of party affiliation.

Yes it wasnt about wipeing Israel off the map. But the point was that it was said to be a mistranslation,But the fact is it is what it is! As the article states it is a fact sheet about sanctions and military options.Remember, You have a right and a left side and with everysbody input coming from world (media) . The fact is this-there will be a coming conflict in the middle east - And this will involve other nations and not just the United States. History seems to always repeat itself ! But the fact is when and if the United States goes to war-The american public cant stop it-Only after the fact can it be ended by political and domestic pressures-thus we end up( united states) either loseing or coming to a stallamate-Depending on ones viewpoint.

Here is my view and you can all dam me if will:

I believe that the conflict with Iran will come to an end conclusion. It wont be a pretty one! I also believe we are in the early stages of war(numerous crossborder gunfights involving delta and elite special forces)-Be it proxy by Smugglers, gun runners and the drug trade tribesman and military weapons and training provided by Iran. Iran wants to spread its influence to the middle east to other regions(lebbanon and syria are mostly controlled by Iran).It wants to be the next Regional power in the middle east. Unfortunately there is Israel and its a thorn in Irans side,It will not bow or cater to Iran nor does it believe in its religion and there theology-Now your dealing with issue that Israel must be elimated in order to have the conquest complete-There is no other way because of the differances. With Israel out of the way-you can occupy and control most of the middle east and spread There Religious beliefs and theology and government practises ( Here in the United States you can worship and choose your religion and beliefs) Because we are a free -In Iran you are prosecuted, killed and beating and must hide in secret or be under state control and jurisdiction!

Sanctions will not work! This has been going for over 2 years and there has not been anychange.More sanctions-less sanctions-no sanctions is irrevelent! They need this techknowledgy to complete there goals and quest because without it -They cant take over the region.
Military solutions seldom are the best answer but unfortunately its the one solution mankind seems to use and the United States is just one out of many.

Sooner or later the world as we know it can not sustain its populations, food and resources .Wars seem to be a natural solution because its a partial remedy that can be created over and over.It does create jobs and growth ,More money for research and techknowledgy and advancement in knowledge and health!

Mr. Ahmadinejad used words which are properly and accurately, but not literally, translated to mean that Israel should be wiped off the map. Such translation is all the more obviously correct because the thrust of the argument he made concerned why Israel’s demise would advance Islam’s agenda against Europeans.

It is always very cute for people to claim that a speech which asserts in as many ways as can be imagined its intention should be read so narrowly and literally as to be meaningless. It goes along with the parade through Tehran - in front of Ahmadinejad’s eyes, by the way - in which the crowd carried banners, given to them by Ahmadinejad’s government, that said said “Death to Israel.” Somehow, if that is not the message Ahmadinejad does not want to be heard by the world, he is doing a very bad job of things.

And, as I have said, it is beyond all doubt that the Israeli defense and intelligence establishments - not to mention leading intellectuals in the country - think that Iran poses an existential threat, as in a clear and present imminent danger. If, in fact, Ahmadinejad and those around him who have said repeatedly - and not just in one speech - that they aim to destroy Israel (and not to help the Palestinian Arabs, whom the Iranian leadership, by the way, has said repeatedly they despise for being weaklings, not to mention Sunni and Arab, rather than Persian), but to serve Islam and the Islamist quest to reclaim lands in Europe from infidel powers, they must be the most tone death people on Earth. Even Hitler was not as blunt as the likes of Ahmadinejad in what he intended. And, that says a lot.

In other words, I take your theory regarding the translation as pure disinformation. Read the speech in question in its entirety. Read the repeated calls for Israel’s destruction and not just that one speech. It is a call to war by the Iranians for the glory of Islam, not a statement of support for Palestinian Arabs. In fact, they would rather sacrifice the Palestinian Arabs on the alter of Islamic glory before helping them.

Here is an article to read about the media backtracking about Iran being a threat to Israel:
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/caught-red-handed-media-backtracks-on-irans-anti-israel-threat/

Why does anyone keep on making the excuse that Iran is a threat to Israel, with all its own nuclear weapons?

Get over your Bush bashing and get one with life-There will be a democrate elected as president next year. Unfortunately-It doesnt matter who is president because they are allready part of the group or shall i say they own all the horses in a horse race. If not this president it will be the next! They just follow whats allready been laid out!

Im sorry your ignorance and blindness causes you to resort to name calling which says to me that you have much to learn.

Neal,You are right- The intent is to Get rid of Israel. I would not screw around with Israel-Because they will do premptive because loseing isint an option for the Jewish people.When they said never again-They mean it!

B: — When a hard-boiled over-priviledged idiot speaks for a country in front of a live audiance [sic] and says im going to regime change the entire Middle East. the entire world must take it for what it is. A direct threat !

…more ‘translations’ from hyperventilating gung-ho paranoics coming along as and when required…

What I cited was the Iranian government’s official news agency. I gather that if the message were really a mistranslation, the story would be out and out retracted. The same for Ahmadinejad’s official website, which I also cited.

Now, my understanding is that those who say his speech was mistranslated resort to a literal translation. On the other hand, the message he actually did intended, as a read through the entire speech makes clear, is that Islam would triumph over Israel, destroying Israel - i.e. wipe it off the map - and, if you read the rest of the speech, the West, with Iran leading the way. In that regard, Israel’s demise would have great symbolic significance, as Ahmadinejad said. So, I think that the literal translation that some employ is overly cute.

I note another point. It does not much matter what Ahmadinejad literally or figuratively said. His regime has convinced the Israelis that his regime is a grave, existential danger. So, whatever he meant, he has created a very great danger as the Israelis are not known to sit around waiting to be attacked. Which is to say: if there is a misunderstanding, Ahmadinejad has much fence mending to do. That, you will note, is something he is not trying to do. Instead, his regime has done the opposite, ridding itself of its more conciliatory negotiator in favor of the hardest of hardline lunatic negotiators.

Depending on what website-you will get 4 differant versions of the same story. When a man speaks for a country in front of a live audiance and says im going to wipe out Israel. I must take it for what it is. A direct threat !
The main truth is not betwen the Americans, Israelis its about Iran changing the landscape in which all other countries and neighbors will have to go nucular to . If that is the case-Then it will be that saudia arabia gets 100 nukes, jordan gets 100 nukes, egypt get 100 nukes, kuwait gets 100 nukes, Israel doesnt get any because it has 500 million of them(media statistics-LOl) Lebbanon gets 100 nukes,yemen get 100 nukes, oman gets 100 nukes,sudan gets 100 nukes and somalia gets only 25 nukes because there still currently in civil war. Can you just imaging what would happen?

A little history lesson:
America was the first to use nucular weapons against Japan.That is a fact as is what happened during the holocaust against the jews.(Anybody who doesnt agree with the holocost that it did indeed happen is either blissfully ignorant or there are eyes and minds are covered by there own hatred! What i think what many fail to realise is that the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki actually saved far more lives.Because it was estimated the cost to completely take over japan and its islands would cost the americans another million and more deaths of our troops after 1945.
(Though estimates vary, it was suggested that the early surrender saved 1.7 to 4 million American casualties, including 400,000 to 800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities.) It would have been the biggest bloodbath in mankinds histrory!
Close to 400,00 japanese lifes were lost to the nucular attack directly and indirectly.That is a tradegy-that is war!

You speak of a mistranslation, as if I were referring to it. Consider: there are literally hundreds of speeches by the Iranian leadership calling for Israel’s destruction. And, not just by Mr. Ahmadinejad.

But, I would suggest you consider that the Iranian government translates the speech you had in mind differently than you do. Here is what the government of Iran’s news service wrote:

Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map

Tehran, Oct 26 - Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday called for Israel to be “wiped off the map”.

“The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world,” the President told a conference in Tehran entitled ‘the world without Zionism’.

“The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land,” he said.

“As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map,” said Ahmadinejad, referring to the late founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Imam Khomeini.

You can find that speech here: http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=200247

I gather you take what he said to be an offer of love.

Now, here is what Mr. Ahmadinejad’s own website says:

Ahmadinejad: Supporters of Israel will face wrath of Islamic ummah

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned countries or leaders who have taken measures to acknowledge the Zionist regime under pressure or due to lack of sound understanding that they will be confronted with the wrath of the Islamic ummah and will forever be disgraced. Speaking at a conference dubbed “World without Zionism” here Wednesday which was attended by thousands of students, he said any country which acknowledges the Zionist regime will actually be acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world. He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away. Ahmadinejad referred to the Zionist regime’s recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a “trick,” saying Gaza is part of Palestinian territory and the withdrawal was meant to make Islamic states acknowledge the Zionist regime of Israel. Pointing to the evil attempts of the US and Israel to saw discord among warring forces in Palestine and other parts of the Islamic world, the president said such attempts were aimed at forcing some Islamic countries to acknowledge the existence of Israel.

That gem can be found here: http://www.president.ir/eng/ahmadinejad/cronicnews/1384/08/4/index-e.htm#b3

No doubt, the President of Iran has misunderstood himself.

Be that as it may, the Israelis have real reason to be concerned about Iran, which is funding people to kill Israelis. It has also paid people to kill Jews indiscriminately, as occurred in Argentina. No doubt you would say that the Argentinian government is making things up as well. Here is what appeared in the New York Times:

An Argentine judge ordered international arrest warrants on Thursday for a former Iranian president, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, and eight others in connection with the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/10/world/americas/10argentina.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/R/Religion%20and%20Belief&oref=slogin

Real nice guys running Iran over the years. They just are misunderstood - or, to be more exact, you misunderstand them.

Totality begins
at the borders of Kazakhstan,
China, Mongolia, and Siberian Russia.

The northern
third of Mongolia
lies in the 350-kilometer-
broad path that swings northeast

through Siberia and grazes
the northernmost Chinese provinces.

Continuing out
across the East Siberian Sea,
the path ends at sunset near the North Pole.

“Solar-Eclipse Preview - March 9, 1997”
Fred Espenak

I wish I could write advocacy. But I’m not lucky that way. Or had the ability and personality to collaborate like the CASMII folks to produce a work that contains so much true and pertinent political info, it reads like a found political poem, in prose. But I’m not lucky that way either.

Hey, sk. Have you ever considered, really and I mean really, seriously, the proposition that it’s all luck?

Dont fool yourselves with what PALPITATING FRENZIED HYSTERICS-such as RICHARD states! WASHINGTON will continue its quest for FULL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE which includes MILITARISING OUTER SPACE. WASHINGTON has threatened to wipe out the US CONSTITUTION. Is providing IMMENSE PILES OF LYING HORSE-CRAP to kill our troops in Iraq (Allready [sic] a proxy war), supports CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM and its ARMAGEDDONIST teachings, Teaches hate and death to ISLAM starting at the preschool levels, Threatens to use other known terrorist organizations-such as THE IDF and THE BRITISH ARMY. When you have fanatical TEXAN Beliefs, mixed in with vast amounts of OUR money and a taught generational hatred mixed in with NEOCON threats of oblivion [sic]-You have yourself a DISTOPIA that will to do what it says! The world media always seems to present itself with its view and projects that to the sheep of the world who follow it like a lamb to the slaughter. Remember-Media and world opinions are some serious weapons! … BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…

…this discussion may be continued if the species survives World War 3…