“reza said on October 22nd, 2007

People with little logic require a lot of noise, baseless accusations and outright shameless lies to push aside reason.

You can sholooqhesh koni all you want, Shabnam, but you’re making yourself dizzy, without persuading anyone. But, then again, maybe you are paid to storm the barn; so, if it’s paying your bills, keep rocking, sister!

Intelligent socialists don’t find it necessary to remind everybody that they are anti-imperialists/anti-Zionists with every thing they utter, nor with every dump they take. It’s taken for granted. But, since I have affection for disabled people, for those who like to act blind and willfully deaf, my anti-imperialist stance was clearly stated.

The noise-makers, however, don’t like to learn that Iranian people’s fight for democracy is, and must be, as has always been, and will be, for the foreseeable future, simultaneously a fight against imperialism. We, the people of the Third World, are in the same position as are African Americans; their fight too is simultaneously against colonialism/racism and for justice and true democracy, in the belly of the beast. One fight cannot be separated from the other. It is the same for us, and it is an ongoing struggle. Imperialism/colonialism don’t take breaks.

As to the question of imperialists using the nuclear issue as an excuse to attack Iran … If imperialists want to attack, they’ll attack us. It has NOTHING to do with the nukes (that too is stated clearly in the article). They didn’t attack us in 1953 (when they overthrew our democratically elected government) because we had nukes; they attacked us for different reasons (and NOT because Mossadegh was a commie-lover). They didn’t attack Vietnam because they had nukes. They don’t attack and savage the Palestinians daily for the past sixty years because they have nukes. WAKE UP!!

So, when they attack us in Iran, what are they going to hit first? WAKE UP!!
Believe me, when the enemy has TEN THOUSAND nuclear warheads, having a few is no deterrent. Like Chirac said, even if a few are launched, within minutes Tehran’d be bombed back to the Stone Age. And nobody’s that stupid; least of all the mullahs. But, if there’s a live nuclear power plant (way down south, mind you, away from the seat of power), all the enemy has to do is drop a mini-nuke and let all hell loose.

What we DON’T want, under any conditions __ just as the government in Iran should not want this either __ is a glowing radioactive zone stretching for hundreds of miles.

Those who prefer to make believe (that imperialists need legitimate excuses to attack us lesser peoples) forget that imperialism NEVER LEAVES. We are ALWAYS under attack. Imperialism, when we are friendly to it and welcoming, attacks our livelihoods through its beloved corporations; something, I believe, the proponents of a ‘normalization’ actually wish for; meaning, they like it if imperialists should ‘normalize’ relations and allow ‘investments’ for ‘development’; nothing to do with looting the national goods of the Iranians; but, the ‘nice way’!
Now, who’s the pro-imperialist?
Make all the noise you want. Noise doesn’t change reality.”

Mike McNiven is a pro Israel, Pro Zionist and Anti Iran Propagandist who uses this site to link to the same article “Congressman Kucinich Must Find a Better Role Model than Bob Ney” that has posted many times in the past few months. Mike McNiven is a propagandist who Jamie, the rabbit Zionist, thanks him many times for his rubbish opinion.
This article is written by an Iranian charlatan who spreads lies about “Iran Lobby” and portraits those who criticizing Bush administration for his fascist policy on Iran which is a Zionist policy, part of “Iran Lobby”. Please read a few lines from the article that McNiven gives a link to:

“An alarming resemblance exists between Ney’s advocacy of Tehran over the past decade and Congressman Dennis Kucinich’s (D-Ohio) advocacy of Tehran now. On August 1, 2007, Baztab, the Farsi language web site controlled by the former commander of the revolutionary guards, wrote an article about Kucinich’s “lonely battle” in opposition to sanction efforts against the Iranian regime.4
Kucinich and Ney’s support of Tehran’s ayatollahs is quite similar in method and substance. They both call for engagement with mullahs; They both vehemently fight against any type of sanction against the mullahs; They both oppose human right statements against Iran by the congress; They both associate with the same known mullahs’ proxies in the US; And they both side with Iran when it comes to Iran’s anti Israeli rhetoric.”

Mike McNiven, A Zionist pro Israel who has disguised himself as pro Iranian people brings videos made by the monarchists, puppet of the Zionists who are cooperating with the fifth columnists, the Zionists, to help them to take power in Iran. People like Michael Ledeen and Kenneth Timmerman are part of Zionists who are working towards this goal, to bring the Shah’s family back who serves Israel.
Hassan Daioleslam, the writer of this article which is given by Mike McNiven, the Zionist, attacking both Bob Ney and Kucinich as “Iran Lobby” and saying that both Kucinich and Ney do not want sanction against Iranian people to strangulate their economy and kill more children so they may be forced to transfer the power to puppet of the Zionist that Mike McNiven represents.

Please expose the Zionists who are sent to progressive sites to preach and spread anti Iranian people propaganda and harm the fragile movement of Anti Zionist so they can kill more Iranian children like Iraqi children to smoothen the path for further action.
Shame on the disguised Zionist. We will not going to be silent and will expose them every time the smell is too strong to be tolerated.

I think you spooks because you do not know this person. I know him from many interviews he has given and from his rubbish that has published at the Iranian opposition sites.
He is a Charlatan who thinks is “exposing” Iran Lobby. Ahmadinejad’s government has nothing to do with these people who he lists as “Iran Lobby”. Trita Parsi is one of the neocon and close to Francis Fukuyama. He has been elected to NIAC, National Iranian American Council, it is a place where has been occupied by those Iranians who are seeking to empower themselves not the Iranian government or for god’s sake Iranian people back home. It is like the Cuban Lobby. It is a political platform to advance themselves. That’s why NIAC has not been able to attract that many Iranians. NIAC’s policy is to help Hillary Clinton to come to power, an AIPAC girl who preaches the Zionists’ desire to “prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear and she is willing to use military power.” Now, think who wants to associate’s himself/herself with this group of people whose leader is Trita Parsi and according to Charlatan Hassan Daioleslam is the head of Iran Lobby. Although he says t is against the war but all his actions say opposite to what he preaches. Look at what he says about Israel that I took from the article provided by Mike Mcmilan:

“Anti-Israeli positions
Trita Parsi along with many other Tehran proxies in the US have always had a strong anti- Israeli undertone ………………….. to pursue the god-given right of nuclear technology.11-13”
He sympathizes with the Zionists and call Parsi anti-Israeli position. Parsi who is coming from Zoroastrian background is ambitious and smart enough to realize that if he wants to be someone definitely should not have an anti Israeli position in politics in the United States.
Who is a spook?

Hassan Daioleslam advertises himself as an “independent writer” who does “political scholarly analysis.”

This shows that Mike McNiven actually is a ZIONIST!

Please look at the above link to see the Charlatan’s article.

“…link to the L. A. Chronicle “piece” is a classic study in
triple-talking-propaganda.

You are absolutely right, but this is not a piece that I read. This is a piece that Mike McNiven reads and for the past few months he has posted it at the end of each article related to Iran or Middle East. That’s why I had to expose the author and since then McNiven stopped. I have provided you a link that shows McNiven was the person who
gave to this link and I am very pleased that you noticed his propaganda talk. The author of this link is a Charlatan.
Sorry for not being very clear.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/the-framework-for-debate-on-iran-existing-us-policy-and-its-peaceful-alternative/

I am sorry to confuse you both but my post was directed at Mike McNiven and not the author of this article who has good reasons to be worried about the “Anti-war movement” in this country and frankly around the globe. Gerald my link is Mike McNiven’s link who used to place it at the end of almost each articles, especially at the end of those articles where I post something, in the past to sell the lies of this Charlatan in name of Hassan Daioleslam, who beats on war drum by spreading lies based on his wrong “analysis” of information and sells it to the “Vocie of America”. Daioleslam who has not written even one paragraph on atrocities committed by the empire or the Zionists around the globe, had ties with the Islamist movement himself, those Islamist like “Freedom Movement Party” whose leader is an American citizen in name of Yazdi who became Iran foreign minister shortly after the revolution but was pushed out of power due to internal politics. Daioleslam has manufactured “Iran Lobby” vs. “Israel Lobby” to fool the ignorant audience of both Iranian and American community to help the imperialist/Zionist agenda against the Iranian government. He includes people such as Bob Ney, Gary Sick, Brezinski and Trita Parsi is an Iranian from Zoroastrian background who has close ties to the Neocon such as Francis Fokuyama.
For the past few months Mike McNiven, started to post Daioleslam’s article at the end of the majorities of article. There is another link by him which reads “No Imperialist war, No theocracy in Iran” which is odd to me. Iran is under attack and we have to do anything to prevent another disastrous Zionist war yet Mike McNiven put these articles repeatedly, most of the time is not related to the issues either. When I looked at some of the videos that are posted here by Mike McNiven, I noticed that majorities are made by the monarchist, pro SHAH regime, with their flag (three stripes Red, Green and White with Sun and the Lion in the center) waving in the background. McNiven apparently does not know Iranian History otherwise he would not have preached that he is anti imperialist and act otherwise. The above quote in my post is from McNiven:

“Being anti-war has the following meanings:
anti-poverty, anti-discrimination, anti racism………………………”

I have taken this quote to remind the importance of fighting against Zionism which is absent from his list.
Those who are familiar with the Iranian history know that the monarchists have close relationship with Israel and the influential Zionist members of Israel lobby such as Kenneth Timmerman and Michael Leeden and others who are trying to bring the corrupt PAHLAVI family back to Iran by toppling the current government.
I want to ask when there was a war against Fascism, did they have slogan such as:
“No to the fascist, no to Stalin” or “No to the fascist, No to British Imperialism”
The answer is NO.
Today, many Iranians from the “Left” openly are working with the imperialist/Zionist agenda in the Middle East which is known as “The Greater Middle East”. Therefore, we have every single right to expose these people and isolate them before they bring more damages to our fragile movement against the war criminals of our time.
I am very sorry that I confused you both.

Eric Ruder writes:
“In reality, the sense that “there is nothing we can do” exists among UFPJ member organizations as a symptom of the coalition’s disorientation…… and setting October 27 as a date for regional mobilizations, with Washington D.C. conspicuously absent from the list.”
Mr. Ruder has good reasons to have doubt about UFPJ
Frankly UFPJ has alienated a lot of Iranians since these anti-war movement eliminates Israel and Zionism from discussion and cleverly protects Israel interests by fixing attention on “No Blood for Oil” and diverting attention away from Israel and Zionism and cleverly beating on war drum by a slogan that they use to circulate around “No to intervention in Iran, No to theocracy”. I have talked with them and brought this issue that Imperialism and Zionism are on both sides of the same coin but they disagree and insist that Israel and Zionism have nothing to do with the “Anti-war movement”.
They are still working on CONCRESS AND the UN SECURITY COUNCIL and do not ask or take actions to bring the war machine down through national strike by not working at least one day a weak or something similar.
UFPJ in their campaign against the war are asking people:
“Take the Voters for Peace Pledge Today!” and this reads:
“I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign.”
You tell CONGRESS representatives if you don’t do this I will not vote for you. We know how people are elected. So why should these people who want to be elected listen to UFPJ?
Joe Lieberman was kicked out of the Senate by voters but he entered from the back door! Hillary Clinton has just helped Bush to launch another war by voting YES to the proposal that makes the Iranian army TERRORIST which was brought to the floor by the Zionist lobby, Joe Lieberman who has publicly demanded “bomb Iran”. Do you see any critics of Clinton by UFPJ? American people are asked, by UFPJ, to go and beg from congress where is engaged in planning for another aggression against an Islamic country to eliminate Israel’s enemy from the list through genocide against people of Iran.
Thomas Victor writes:

“It is my impression (which may be wrong) that normal ‘non-Zionist’ Jews who usually form a large part of the antiwar movement have had their antiwar commitment weakened and some have turned pro-Iraq war and pro-Nuke-Iran because of concern for dear Israel.”

I strongly agree with you Thomas.
In fact the myth that Jews are “liberal” and are working against the war is exaggerated. The percentage of Jews who voted for Bush increased last election, at the same time the youth percentage vote diminished.
Please read this book by MURRAY FRIEDMAN “Neoconservative Revolution: Jewish intellectuals and the shaping of public policy which claim”
“In the United States, Jewish political conservatism was evident from the founding of the republic until well into the 20th Century… In the 19thCentury, many Jewish leaders were also conservative on the issue of slavery; relatively few joined the abolitionists, and many, in fact, opposed them. What the foregoing suggests is that despite the popular image of pervasive Jewish liberalism, there has always been a significant conservative Jewish tradition in this country.”
Which is contrary to the common belief since people associate Jews with liberal leanings, which might be why the rise of the neocons has so many people scratching their heads? For this powerful collective of public intellectuals, ostensibly comprised mostly of members of the Jewish intelligentsia has managed to set both American domestic and foreign policy, the author claims.
I recommend this book to everyone.

http://no-war-on-iran.blogspot.com/

“Learn to read, my children.”

“And read this; right here.”

When the Democrats won midterm elections mostly on anti-Iraqwar sentiment and Pelosi became Speaker I was optimistic for a while even though an article warned that the Democrats were less likely to end this war since they were almost 100% dependent on Jewish money while the Republicans had other sources of funds.

Sure enough Nancy Pelosi soon capitulated to AIPAC pressure and agreed “to strip out of the $100 billion funding bill for Iraq a provision that would have required President Bush to seek congressional approval before launching any new war on Iran. ” Whoa forget about ending the Iraq War, she’s now OK with nuking Iran!

It is my impression (which may be wrong) that normal ‘non-Zionist’ Jews who usually form a large part of the antiwar movement have had their antiwar commitment weakened and some have turned pro-Iraq war and pro-Nuke-Iran because of concern for dear Israel.

This concern for Israel may be justified, actually. Say Israel maintains it’s aggressive stance against Palestinians and keeps doing horrible actions such as the aerial bombing of Beirut. Then it will continue to be surrounded by hostile neighbors who despise it and who are daily becoming more powerful. And who have the support of powerful China and Russia, both of whom are on a long term boom, economically and militarily . While poor Israel, even with it’s stash of nuclear weapons and it’s US advanced jets, struggles to just maintain it’s current population level and is uable to defeat third-world Hezbollah.

The even bigger factor that no one mentions is that we who in the US middle class or thereabouts are relatively affluent compared to most other countries. Why is that? Sure there are other factors but like it or not, the most important one is the huge US military superiority and it’s willingness to bomb any country that doesn’t listen to it ‘back into the Stone Ages’.

If the US suddenly became a friendly pacifist type country it wouldn’t be able to extract wealth from other countries as it has been used to doing for ages. We would all become poorer. That’s OK with me, I think, but let’s see what happens when I actually become poor, ha ha!

I think that’s at the back of people’s minds. They want everything else to stay the same but for the US to stop attacking and occupying other countries. And they don’t want to risk losing their well paying jobs and risk being unable to keep up mortgage payments. So things will not change .

Following corylus’ suggestions re. boycotting corporation, buying locally, leading a simpler life in general is great for improving our own live’s even if it won’t end the war.

It’s a complicated situation.

Dear friends: Do you see anti-ZIONISM in this person’s list?
After so many articles and opinions where have been posted here yet those who hide themselves behind MONARCHIST FLAG, The former regime of the Shah, refused to list their friends, the ZIONISTS, whom we should regard as enemies and anti war movement must make a stand against them. In fact Zionism, the enemy of humanity, the most important enemy of our time is absent from this person’s list. How strange!!!!. Look at the videos which are provided here for us. You see the monarchies flag waving everywhere in these videos. In fact you can not see one word on Zionism because these people as I wrote earlier consider anything Islamic as “backward” which should be destroyed and anything secular as “progressive” where should be preserved. The Shah of Iran, puppet of the West and friend of the Zionist state was SECULAR. Some members of the “Iranian Left” are closely cooperating and working with the CIA and institutions related to that such as the National Endowment for Democracy, Freedom House, Open Society … and appear on programs such as “Voice of America”, CIA platform and related platforms regularly. It is shameful to praise people like Hassan Daioleslam*, a Charlatan and PRO AMERICAN POSITION AGAINST IRAN WHO GOES TO “VOICE OF AMERICA” AND TRIES TO SELL HIS LIES AS FACTS to both ignorant American and Iranian people.

This link was provided earlier for the readers of this site and was
removed after I exposed him.
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http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=35885

I recently relocated to the DC area from the Pittsburgh. I’ve been struck by the complete lack here of anything resembling a grassroots antiwar group. There are nonprofits with paid staff and some volunteer opportunities, and there are a few multi-issue groups that devote some small portion of their resources to antiwar work; but the movement-from-below is now basically dead. Pittsburgh, it has to be said, was trending in this direction at the time I left, but hadn’t yet quite arrived there. This seems to be the case in many places.

This sad state of affairs has unfortunately encouraged the growth of a weird kind of pseudo-adventurism in some quarters. Exemplified by David Solnit’s “People Power” strategy, this approach seeks to skip over the busy work of building a mass movement, substituting for it a motley assortment of superficially militant tactics aimed vaguely at disabling some mechanically conceived “pillars of war”.

As a movement, we face the Catch-22 of organizing a movement of building a movement among working and oppressed people at a time when the organizations of working and oppressed people are themselves struggling to survive. It seems to me that some sort of network of locally-based antiwar committees might be in order, but it this can only be an eventual goal right now. The vets movement, I think, shows the most promise for the present.

I don’t know of any workplaces or libraries that use non-corporate internet service providers. If you do, please enlighten us. I promise I won’t resort to name-calling.

And the inescapable violence of narcotics production and trafficking, also sex-trafficking, and the corrupt pursuit of those caught up in both, has been forcibly re-imposed in Afghanistan, perhaps regionally: the Medellin cartel which Charles Bowden has documented as, together with all W. hemisphere narcotrafficking, now to be controlled by the CIA (see Down by the River: Drugs, Money, Family, and Murder) was reported present in the region around the time of the 2003 invasion.

But it should not surprise anyone that v. little appears or is discussed about these things — because yet more war crimes are being committed, in the form of executions of uncorrupted humanitarian workers, and independent reporters, photographers, and editors who try to tell in timely and unequivocating ways, and especially those who manage to depict, some of the horror our taxes are visiting on defenseless fellow beings.

Only recently have we been able to read that the Bush II phase of the war has accounted for 1.2 million “surplus deaths.”

For most progressives the death toll of the Bush I and Clinton phases of military actions against Iraq, which actually began in 1991 with the Bush I destruction of Iraq and its infrastructure, does not exist. Yet the 1991-2003 period saw constant bombing through both Republican and Democratic administrations, plus the sanctions, which with the infrastructure destroyed is variously estimated to have caused 2 million deaths by the time Bush II took over. In other words, it is not Bush II’s war, but a war with three phases, of which his is merely the latest.

Add it up: approximately 3 million deaths out of a population of 27 million between 1991 and today. And don’t forget the refugees, and the future deaths. This is, by any definition of the word, a genocide.

Moreover, the earlier figures were documented some time ago, with ex-attorney general Ramsey Clark calling it genocide in the Nineties. This in itself should have caused at least some “progressive” writers and w ebsites to take note, but almost no one did. The much-maligned Ward Churchill also providing documentation in his “little Eichmanns” book, The Justice of Roosting Chickens. It’s so easy to find. How so many “progressive” writers could so studiously ignore recent history is an interesting question, but the actual death toll would have gone a long way toward ending the war, had anyone the courage to bring the genocide to the attention of the American people.

Perhaps because the Democrats would have caught some of the blame, the major progressive websites, who seem to me to be progressive only up to the point of Democratic Party politics and the electoral process, were not able to risk their careers? To me, the word “progressive” is a synonym for “sellout.” Progressives in general and the peace movement are complicit in the Iraqi genocide.