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	<title>Comments on: Secularism and Islamism in the Arab World</title>
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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7936</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A message for Shabnam:

"reza said on October 22nd, 2007 at 5:48 pm 
People with little logic require a lot of noise, baseless accusations and outright shameless lies to push aside reason. 

You can sholooqhesh koni all you want, Shabnam, but you’re making yourself dizzy, without persuading anyone. But, then again, maybe you are paid to storm the barn; so, if it’s paying your bills, keep rocking, sister! 

Intelligent socialists don’t find it necessary to remind everybody that they are anti-imperialists/anti-Zionists with every thing they utter, nor with every dump they take. It’s taken for granted. But, since I have affection for disabled people, for those who like to act blind and willfully deaf, my anti-imperialist stance was clearly stated. 

The noise-makers, however, don’t like to learn that Iranian people’s fight for democracy is, and must be, as has always been, and will be, for the foreseeable future, simultaneously a fight against imperialism. We, the people of the Third World, are in the same position as are African Americans; their fight too is simultaneously against colonialism/racism and for justice and true democracy, in the belly of the beast. One fight cannot be separated from the other. It is the same for us, and it is an ongoing struggle. Imperialism/colonialism don’t take breaks. 

As to the question of imperialists using the nuclear issue as an excuse to attack Iran … If imperialists want to attack, they’ll attack us. It has NOTHING to do with the nukes (that too is stated clearly in the article). They didn’t attack us in 1953 (when they overthrew our democratically elected government) because we had nukes; they attacked us for different reasons (and NOT because Mossadegh was a commie-lover). They didn’t attack Vietnam because they had nukes. They don’t attack and savage the Palestinians daily for the past sixty years because they have nukes. WAKE UP!!

So, when they attack us in Iran, what are they going to hit first? WAKE UP!!

Believe me, when the enemy has TEN THOUSAND nuclear warheads, having a few is no deterrent. Like Chirac said, even if a few are launched, within minutes Tehran’d be bombed back to the Stone Age. And nobody’s that stupid; least of all the mullahs. But, if there’s a live nuclear power plant (way down south, mind you, away from the seat of power), all the enemy has to do is drop a mini-nuke and let all hell loose. 

What we DON’T want, under any conditions __ just as the government in Iran should not want this either __ is a glowing radioactive zone stretching for hundreds of miles. 

Those who prefer to make believe (that imperialists need legitimate excuses to attack us lesser peoples) forget that imperialism NEVER LEAVES. We are ALWAYS under attack. Imperialism, when we are friendly to it and welcoming, attacks our livelihoods through its beloved corporations; something, I believe, the proponents of a ‘normalization’ actually wish for; meaning, they like it if imperialists should ‘normalize’ relations and allow ‘investments’ for ‘development’; nothing to do with looting the national goods of the Iranians; but, the ‘nice way’! 
Now, who’s the pro-imperialist?
Make all the noise you want. Noise doesn’t change reality."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A message for Shabnam:</p>
<p>&#8220;reza said on October 22nd, 2007 at 5:48 pm<br />
People with little logic require a lot of noise, baseless accusations and outright shameless lies to push aside reason. </p>
<p>You can sholooqhesh koni all you want, Shabnam, but you’re making yourself dizzy, without persuading anyone. But, then again, maybe you are paid to storm the barn; so, if it’s paying your bills, keep rocking, sister! </p>
<p>Intelligent socialists don’t find it necessary to remind everybody that they are anti-imperialists/anti-Zionists with every thing they utter, nor with every dump they take. It’s taken for granted. But, since I have affection for disabled people, for those who like to act blind and willfully deaf, my anti-imperialist stance was clearly stated. </p>
<p>The noise-makers, however, don’t like to learn that Iranian people’s fight for democracy is, and must be, as has always been, and will be, for the foreseeable future, simultaneously a fight against imperialism. We, the people of the Third World, are in the same position as are African Americans; their fight too is simultaneously against colonialism/racism and for justice and true democracy, in the belly of the beast. One fight cannot be separated from the other. It is the same for us, and it is an ongoing struggle. Imperialism/colonialism don’t take breaks. </p>
<p>As to the question of imperialists using the nuclear issue as an excuse to attack Iran … If imperialists want to attack, they’ll attack us. It has NOTHING to do with the nukes (that too is stated clearly in the article). They didn’t attack us in 1953 (when they overthrew our democratically elected government) because we had nukes; they attacked us for different reasons (and NOT because Mossadegh was a commie-lover). They didn’t attack Vietnam because they had nukes. They don’t attack and savage the Palestinians daily for the past sixty years because they have nukes. WAKE UP!!</p>
<p>So, when they attack us in Iran, what are they going to hit first? WAKE UP!!</p>
<p>Believe me, when the enemy has TEN THOUSAND nuclear warheads, having a few is no deterrent. Like Chirac said, even if a few are launched, within minutes Tehran’d be bombed back to the Stone Age. And nobody’s that stupid; least of all the mullahs. But, if there’s a live nuclear power plant (way down south, mind you, away from the seat of power), all the enemy has to do is drop a mini-nuke and let all hell loose. </p>
<p>What we DON’T want, under any conditions __ just as the government in Iran should not want this either __ is a glowing radioactive zone stretching for hundreds of miles. </p>
<p>Those who prefer to make believe (that imperialists need legitimate excuses to attack us lesser peoples) forget that imperialism NEVER LEAVES. We are ALWAYS under attack. Imperialism, when we are friendly to it and welcoming, attacks our livelihoods through its beloved corporations; something, I believe, the proponents of a ‘normalization’ actually wish for; meaning, they like it if imperialists should ‘normalize’ relations and allow ‘investments’ for ‘development’; nothing to do with looting the national goods of the Iranians; but, the ‘nice way’!<br />
Now, who’s the pro-imperialist?<br />
Make all the noise you want. Noise doesn’t change reality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7809</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To reader of this site:

Mike McNiven is a pro Israel, Pro Zionist and Anti Iran Propagandist who uses this site to link to the same article “Congressman Kucinich Must Find a Better Role Model than Bob Ney” that has posted many times in the past few months. Mike McNiven is a propagandist who Jamie, the rabbit Zionist, thanks him many times for his rubbish opinion.
This article is written by an Iranian charlatan who spreads lies about “Iran Lobby” and portraits those who criticizing Bush administration for his fascist policy on Iran which is a Zionist policy,   part of “Iran Lobby”.  Please read a few lines from the article that McNiven gives a link to:
“An alarming resemblance exists between Ney's advocacy of Tehran over the past decade and Congressman Dennis Kucinich's (D-Ohio) advocacy of Tehran now. On August 1, 2007, Baztab, the Farsi language web site controlled by the former commander of the revolutionary guards, wrote an article about Kucinich's "lonely battle" in opposition to sanction efforts against the Iranian regime.4 
Kucinich and Ney's support of Tehran's ayatollahs is quite similar in method and substance. They both call for engagement with mullahs; They both vehemently fight against any type of sanction against the mullahs; They both oppose human right statements against Iran by the congress; They both associate with the same known mullahs' proxies in the US; And they both side with Iran when it comes to Iran's anti Israeli rhetoric.” 

Mike McNiven, A Zionist pro Israel who has disguised himself as pro Iranian people brings videos made by the monarchists, puppet of the Zionists who are cooperating with the fifth columnists, the Zionists, to help them to take power in Iran.  People like Michael Ledeen and Kenneth Timmerman are part of Zionists who are working towards this goal, to bring the Shah’s family back who serves Israel.
 Hassan Daioleslam, the writer of this article which is given by Mike McNiven, the Zionist, attacking both Bob Ney and Kucinich as “Iran Lobby” and saying that both Kucinich and Ney do not want sanction against Iranian people to strangulate their economy and kill more children so they may be forced to transfer the power to puppet of  the Zionist that Mike McNiven represents.
Please expose the Zionists who are sent to progressive sites to preach and spread anti Iranian people propaganda and harm the fragile movement of Anti Zionist so they can kill more Iranian children like Iraqi children to smoothen the path for further action.
Shame on the disguised Zionist.  We will not going to be silent and will expose them every time the smell is too strong to be tolerated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To reader of this site:</p>
<p>Mike McNiven is a pro Israel, Pro Zionist and Anti Iran Propagandist who uses this site to link to the same article “Congressman Kucinich Must Find a Better Role Model than Bob Ney” that has posted many times in the past few months. Mike McNiven is a propagandist who Jamie, the rabbit Zionist, thanks him many times for his rubbish opinion.<br />
This article is written by an Iranian charlatan who spreads lies about “Iran Lobby” and portraits those who criticizing Bush administration for his fascist policy on Iran which is a Zionist policy,   part of “Iran Lobby”.  Please read a few lines from the article that McNiven gives a link to:<br />
“An alarming resemblance exists between Ney&#8217;s advocacy of Tehran over the past decade and Congressman Dennis Kucinich&#8217;s (D-Ohio) advocacy of Tehran now. On August 1, 2007, Baztab, the Farsi language web site controlled by the former commander of the revolutionary guards, wrote an article about Kucinich&#8217;s &#8220;lonely battle&#8221; in opposition to sanction efforts against the Iranian regime.4<br />
Kucinich and Ney&#8217;s support of Tehran&#8217;s ayatollahs is quite similar in method and substance. They both call for engagement with mullahs; They both vehemently fight against any type of sanction against the mullahs; They both oppose human right statements against Iran by the congress; They both associate with the same known mullahs&#8217; proxies in the US; And they both side with Iran when it comes to Iran&#8217;s anti Israeli rhetoric.” </p>
<p>Mike McNiven, A Zionist pro Israel who has disguised himself as pro Iranian people brings videos made by the monarchists, puppet of the Zionists who are cooperating with the fifth columnists, the Zionists, to help them to take power in Iran.  People like Michael Ledeen and Kenneth Timmerman are part of Zionists who are working towards this goal, to bring the Shah’s family back who serves Israel.<br />
 Hassan Daioleslam, the writer of this article which is given by Mike McNiven, the Zionist, attacking both Bob Ney and Kucinich as “Iran Lobby” and saying that both Kucinich and Ney do not want sanction against Iranian people to strangulate their economy and kill more children so they may be forced to transfer the power to puppet of  the Zionist that Mike McNiven represents.<br />
Please expose the Zionists who are sent to progressive sites to preach and spread anti Iranian people propaganda and harm the fragile movement of Anti Zionist so they can kill more Iranian children like Iraqi children to smoothen the path for further action.<br />
Shame on the disguised Zionist.  We will not going to be silent and will expose them every time the smell is too strong to be tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7750</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr.Galal, what kind of Dr. are you? Definitely you are a person with a certificate and without educattion! No doubt about it! Islamism is a form of totalitarianism of fascist type: unlimited private propertyfor the rich, despotic, structured violence, lack of  personal freedom, lack of free press, lack of due process, lack of peoples' parliament, lack of multi-party system, lack of equal rights for women, non-believers, Christians, Jews,... Have you no soul? Between Islam and Islamism there is a world of difference! (like the difference between Jesus and the Vatican!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr.Galal, what kind of Dr. are you? Definitely you are a person with a certificate and without educattion! No doubt about it! Islamism is a form of totalitarianism of fascist type: unlimited private propertyfor the rich, despotic, structured violence, lack of  personal freedom, lack of free press, lack of due process, lack of peoples&#8217; parliament, lack of multi-party system, lack of equal rights for women, non-believers, Christians, Jews,&#8230; Have you no soul? Between Islam and Islamism there is a world of difference! (like the difference between Jesus and the Vatican!)</p>
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		<title>By: DrMohamed Galal</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7612</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMohamed Galal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an objective and good article though the issue is very complicated as islamist movements  cashed on the islamic sentiments of the people and muslim sufferings at the hands of imperialist powers as well as the corruption of the secular regimes and the failure of the elites who towed the line of despotic military regimes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an objective and good article though the issue is very complicated as islamist movements  cashed on the islamic sentiments of the people and muslim sufferings at the hands of imperialist powers as well as the corruption of the secular regimes and the failure of the elites who towed the line of despotic military regimes</p>
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		<title>By: DrMohamed Galal</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7611</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMohamed Galal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is a good and objective article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is a good and objective article</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7421</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sk, thank you for a great referral.
Tarig Ali is an especially handsome and classy fellow on video.

Mike, I would question the "objectivity" of your CNN viddy.
The probability of it being another routine spook plant is very high..

The purported demonstrations in Iran in opposition to Ahmadinejad are significantly  CIA engineered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sk, thank you for a great referral.<br />
Tarig Ali is an especially handsome and classy fellow on video.</p>
<p>Mike, I would question the &#8220;objectivity&#8221; of your CNN viddy.<br />
The probability of it being another routine spook plant is very high..</p>
<p>The purported demonstrations in Iran in opposition to Ahmadinejad are significantly  CIA engineered.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Nasreddin</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7409</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Nasreddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point the author misses - most common people, the ones who don't get to travel or live abroad, see the western secular way of life as bullshit - a means to keep the big political guys on top rich and living well. In a broader context, democracy, republicanism, marxism, etc.  in the Middle East is in reality nothing more than top dog gets all.

At least in Islam there are limits to what the leaders can do - as well as responsibilities to the people, which means the people have rights. 

Western political philosophies are written by people and rewritten by people to suit their needs. Most everyone in the Middle East watches American TV and laughs at Americans for not seeing Bush for what he is - a dictator wannabe - and maybe in the near future, a dictator. With Bush, no one believes in democracy or the "American Way." Where is that "fredom and justice for all" anyways? It aint any where the American military is.

If you want democracy, get a new spokesperson.

As far as Islam - it says people have dignity and the right to it - it's something Muslims are ready to die for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point the author misses - most common people, the ones who don&#8217;t get to travel or live abroad, see the western secular way of life as bullshit - a means to keep the big political guys on top rich and living well. In a broader context, democracy, republicanism, marxism, etc.  in the Middle East is in reality nothing more than top dog gets all.</p>
<p>At least in Islam there are limits to what the leaders can do - as well as responsibilities to the people, which means the people have rights. </p>
<p>Western political philosophies are written by people and rewritten by people to suit their needs. Most everyone in the Middle East watches American TV and laughs at Americans for not seeing Bush for what he is - a dictator wannabe - and maybe in the near future, a dictator. With Bush, no one believes in democracy or the &#8220;American Way.&#8221; Where is that &#8220;fredom and justice for all&#8221; anyways? It aint any where the American military is.</p>
<p>If you want democracy, get a new spokesperson.</p>
<p>As far as Islam - it says people have dignity and the right to it - it&#8217;s something Muslims are ready to die for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7233</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Secularism (progressives) and Islamism (reactionaries) in non-Arab Iran:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSmfd57l7Q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secularism (progressives) and Islamism (reactionaries) in non-Arab Iran:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSmfd57l7Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSmfd57l7Q</a></p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7227</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, an interesting &lt;a href="http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/Elberg/Ali/ali-con0.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;conversation&lt;/a&gt; with a man who has been studying Islamic cultures for decades (video &lt;a href="http://webcast.ucsd.edu:8080/ramgen/UCSD_TV/7894.rm" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, an interesting <a href="http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/Elberg/Ali/ali-con0.html" rel="nofollow">conversation</a> with a man who has been studying Islamic cultures for decades (video <a href="http://webcast.ucsd.edu:8080/ramgen/UCSD_TV/7894.rm" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/secularism-and-islamism-in-the-arab-world/#comment-7210</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the most thoughtful articles I'm seen here in a long time. 
However There are one or two alarming problems that have accompanied the paradigm shift to Fundamental Islamist from semi-secular societies in Lebanon, the Palestinian areas and elsewhere.

Using Gaza as an example, the shift to radical Islamist  reduced corruption and encouraged dignity and social cohesion. However this came at the price of  social freedom and diminished skills and attitudes for dealing both with   their own internal economy and the outside world as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the most thoughtful articles I&#8217;m seen here in a long time.<br />
However There are one or two alarming problems that have accompanied the paradigm shift to Fundamental Islamist from semi-secular societies in Lebanon, the Palestinian areas and elsewhere.</p>
<p>Using Gaza as an example, the shift to radical Islamist  reduced corruption and encouraged dignity and social cohesion. However this came at the price of  social freedom and diminished skills and attitudes for dealing both with   their own internal economy and the outside world as well.</p>
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