Comments on: Israel’s Military Court System Is the Model to Avoid http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:56:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: debbie hoefpker http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-14576 debbie hoefpker Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:16:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-14576 My question is: Who is the chief political officer of Israel? What type of government does Israel use? If Important, who rules the military? How does ISraeli Police systems operate? How does the courts systems operate? How does the Correctional System operate? Does Israeli Criminal Justice system have a advantage, or disadvantage over the United State? I need help finding these answers for a college course paper I need to do. I cannot find any answers. Any one can help it would be appreciated. By the way, I love the history of Israel, even tho it has not all been good at all. I find it interesting, it is why I chose this Country for my paper. Thanks Deborah H My question is:
Who is the chief political officer of Israel?
What type of government does Israel use?
If Important, who rules the military?
How does ISraeli Police systems operate?
How does the courts systems operate?
How does the Correctional System operate?

Does Israeli Criminal Justice system have a advantage, or disadvantage over the United State?

I need help finding these answers for a college course paper I need to do. I cannot find any answers.
Any one can help it would be appreciated.

By the way, I love the history of Israel, even tho it has not all been good at all. I find it interesting, it is why I chose this Country for my paper.

Thanks
Deborah H

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8217 Mulga Mumblebrain Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:56:23 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8217 Bravo Jaime. You are moving in an interesting direction, substituting vehement invective for argument. Keep it up and maybe Fox News will get in touch with you. I surmise you're their kinda guy. Bravo Jaime. You are moving in an interesting direction, substituting vehement invective for argument. Keep it up and maybe Fox News will get in touch with you. I surmise you’re their kinda guy.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8208 Mulga Mumblebrain Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:03:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8208 Well, Jaime, whenever and where-ever torture is carried out, it is an abomination. Your assertion that every country has 'anti-terror law authorities' licensed to use torture, is pure crap. Much of the world does have disagreeable governments that use torture from time to time, and there are other nations that use it a lot, such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. These are despicable regimes. But there is a special class of nations, Israel and the US the worst in my opinion, that torture on an epic scale, but have the added disagreeable trait of lying about it, while endlessly proclaiming their 'moral purity'. That of course is Israel's prime obscenity, in my opinion. Existing as a particularly nasty racist, colonial, apartheid state, but furiously insisting, against all the evidence, that they are some sort of 'light unto the nations'. That's what turns my stomach, and, as all opinion polls show and UN General Assembly votes attest, the stomachs of most of the world's people. Well, Jaime, whenever and where-ever torture is carried out, it is an abomination. Your assertion that every country has ‘anti-terror law authorities’ licensed to use torture, is pure crap. Much of the world does have disagreeable governments that use torture from time to time, and there are other nations that use it a lot, such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. These are despicable regimes. But there is a special class of nations, Israel and the US the worst in my opinion, that torture on an epic scale, but have the added disagreeable trait of lying about it, while endlessly proclaiming their ‘moral purity’. That of course is Israel’s prime obscenity, in my opinion. Existing as a particularly nasty racist, colonial, apartheid state, but furiously insisting, against all the evidence, that they are some sort of ‘light unto the nations’. That’s what turns my stomach, and, as all opinion polls show and UN General Assembly votes attest, the stomachs of most of the world’s people.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8180 Mulga Mumblebrain Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:05:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8180 One of the central objectives of Israeli torture, indeed, in my opinion, the most important, is the humiliation and psychological crippling of the victims. Israel is a state based on the typical race hatred of European colonialists for their victims. Torture is almost never useful for obtaining information, as the victim will say anything to end his ordeal. The whole 'ticking-bomb' excuse, which other racist would-be torturers have borrowed from its Israeli inventors, is garbage. On the Zionazi fringe it has been advocated that the relatives of 'terrorwists' be tortured, if the prime culprit remains obdurate. A recent visitor to Australia, an eminent American Jewish lawyer, who had made his name in suing Palestinian charities for tens of millions in retribution for the murder of a Jewish American boy (remembering, of course, that the parents of Palestinian children murdered by the Jewish occupiers receive not a shekel in compensation)was quoted, without controversy, as recommending the cold-blooded liquidation of the siblings of martyr bombers, allegedly as a 'deterrent'. Such open advocacy of Nazi tactics of murderous retribution, reminiscent of Lidice or Oradur, raises no eye-brows any longer. Indeed, to question such proposals, invites abuse as an 'anti-Semite'. Israeli terror tactics, particularly the ubiquitous use of torture, and the outsourcing of particular techniques for successful degradation of Arabs to their mates at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and Bagram , is not just about slaking the lust for cruelty and domination of racist colonialists. Its about recruiting collaborators, and degrading and defiling an entire people whose only crime is to have lived in Palestine for millenia and hence have got in the way of the Chosen People's self-asserted Divine Mission. One of the central objectives of Israeli torture, indeed, in my opinion, the most important, is the humiliation and psychological crippling of the victims. Israel is a state based on the typical race hatred of European colonialists for their victims. Torture is almost never useful for obtaining information, as the victim will say anything to end his ordeal. The whole ‘ticking-bomb’ excuse, which other racist would-be torturers have borrowed from its Israeli inventors, is garbage. On the Zionazi fringe it has been advocated that the relatives of ‘terrorwists’ be tortured, if the prime culprit remains obdurate. A recent visitor to Australia, an eminent American Jewish lawyer, who had made his name in suing Palestinian charities for tens of millions in retribution for the murder of a Jewish American boy (remembering, of course, that the parents of Palestinian children murdered by the Jewish occupiers receive not a shekel in compensation)was quoted, without controversy, as recommending the cold-blooded liquidation of the siblings of martyr bombers, allegedly as a ‘deterrent’. Such open advocacy of Nazi tactics of murderous retribution, reminiscent of Lidice or Oradur, raises no eye-brows any longer. Indeed, to question such proposals, invites abuse as an ‘anti-Semite’. Israeli terror tactics, particularly the ubiquitous use of torture, and the outsourcing of particular techniques for successful degradation of Arabs to their mates at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and Bagram , is not just about slaking the lust for cruelty and domination of racist colonialists. Its about recruiting collaborators, and degrading and defiling an entire people whose only crime is to have lived in Palestine for millenia and hence have got in the way of the Chosen People’s self-asserted Divine Mission.

]]> By: Mike McNiven http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8178 Mike McNiven Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:50:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8178 sk, Please remember that it was Jimmy Carter who, with the help of his master theoretician Brzezinski, created a monster in Afghanistan called "the Mujahedin"! That was in late 1979! That reactionary force, under Bill Clinton, evolved into another reactionary formation called "the Taliban"! Two weeks ago, in an interview with NPR, Carter, very emphatically, supported the GW military occupation of Afghanistan -- describing it as a good war! So, Carter gave himself the right to ruin Afghanistan using the Mujahedin, and now, authorizes GW to do it one more time! What is going on here? Who gave Carter the right to ruin a very poor country -- which was not doing anything against the US -- and then support a devastating occupation of the same country?This guy should face an international tribunal with a jury chosen from the ranks of victims of the Mujahedin! Anything less is an approval of a racist colonial policy! DV's motto is peace with social justice; what Carter did in Afghanistan was against peace and against social justice! Also, in Israel torture is not illegal and that is not a small matter! In other words, US/UK/Israel/Saudi Arabia/ Turkey/Iran/Pakistan/Kuwait do not offer the world a court model! sk, Please remember that it was Jimmy Carter who, with the help of his master theoretician Brzezinski, created a monster in Afghanistan called “the Mujahedin”! That was in late 1979! That reactionary force, under Bill Clinton, evolved into another reactionary formation called “the Taliban”! Two weeks ago, in an interview with NPR, Carter, very emphatically, supported the GW military occupation of Afghanistan — describing it as a good war! So, Carter gave himself the right to ruin Afghanistan using the Mujahedin, and now, authorizes GW to do it one more time! What is going on here? Who gave Carter the right to ruin a very poor country — which was not doing anything against the US — and then support a devastating occupation of the same country?This guy should face an international tribunal with a jury chosen from the ranks of victims of the Mujahedin! Anything less is an approval of a racist colonial policy! DV’s motto is peace with social justice; what Carter did in Afghanistan was against peace and against social justice!

Also, in Israel torture is not illegal and that is not a small matter! In other words, US/UK/Israel/Saudi Arabia/ Turkey/Iran/Pakistan/Kuwait do not offer the world a court model!

]]> By: sk http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8176 sk Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:30:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8176 Somewhat unrelated, but <a href="http://movies.nytimes.com/2007/10/26/movies/26jimm.html?pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">here</a> Saudi Arabia and Israel are mentioned in the same sentence. The moview review serves as a sample of establishment media's congentinally "objective" take on Israel/Palestine as well. Somewhat unrelated, but here Saudi Arabia and Israel are mentioned in the same sentence. The moview review serves as a sample of establishment media’s congentinally “objective” take on Israel/Palestine as well.

]]> By: jaime http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8158 jaime Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:21:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8158 Hey I agree with Hatuxka too. And let's add Israel emulating that other enlightened State of Iran. This should please everybody here....no need for lawyers there either! Best not to separate religion from Law either. That way if you're outed as a homosexual, there's simply no need for a trial. Everyone already understands what needs to be done! But there are no Gays in Iran. That's what their President said, anyway. And women don't need much in the way of rights there either. Hey I agree with Hatuxka too. And let’s add Israel emulating that other enlightened State of Iran. This should please everybody here….no need for lawyers there either! Best not to separate religion from Law either.
That way if you’re outed as a homosexual, there’s simply no need for a trial. Everyone already understands what needs to be done!

But there are no Gays in Iran. That’s what their President said, anyway. And women don’t need much in the way of rights there either.

]]> By: Hatuxka http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8149 Hatuxka Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:12:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8149 The modus operandi of the Ziofacists is nothing to emulate. And now Israel's apologists can only point to the Saudis and say, at least Israel is not that bad. What a pitiful moral position to be in. The modus operandi of the Ziofacists is nothing to emulate. And now Israel’s apologists can only point to the Saudis and say, at least Israel is not that bad. What a pitiful moral position to be in.

]]> By: gerald spezio http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8146 gerald spezio Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:09:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8146 Although I agree with Lisa's politics and her critical analysis of Israeli non-objective law, I shudder at her complete wide-eyed acceptance of lawyers and lawyering as our humanistic saviors. Ditto for US law. The professed "rule of law" is more accurately labeled the rule of elitist lawyers with the sacred law as an instrument. Or professionalism and profits with a vengeance. An outright extortion racket. Since both Israel and Supernation have more lawyers per capita than anywhere else in the world, it surely throws a wrench into her theory that lawyers are our hope and protection. Who or what protects us from corrupt lawyers and their lucrative monopolistic extortion racket? Do you know anybody who hasn't been lied to, manipulated, bamboozled, and just plain milked of their life savings by a lawyer? The basic question of what conditions lawyers' behavior is no different than what conditions human behavior. For a materialistic social scientist, the legal conceptions can only mirror the requirements of the ruling power system. Indeed, lawyers are trained in the un-objective dark arts of the adversarial masquerade. The forked tongue lawyer's single vision is an elitist scam designed to keep the producing public paying for paper shuffling due process and esoteric legal services. "No fight, no fee," Benjamin Franklin observed. Here is a magniicent and must read classic attack on the US legal monopoly entitled; THE PRACTICE OF LAW AS A CONFIDENCE GAME. http://www.thomsoncustom.com/cj/cases/MOD025.pdf More than sixty per-cent of the US Senate is composed of trained lawyers who fall all over themselves voting for lawyer Joe Lieberman's resolutions advocating cavalier pre-emptive murder. What rule of law? Although I agree with Lisa’s politics and her critical analysis of Israeli non-objective law, I shudder at her complete wide-eyed acceptance of lawyers and lawyering as our humanistic saviors.
Ditto for US law.
The professed “rule of law” is more accurately labeled the rule of elitist lawyers with the sacred law as an instrument.
Or professionalism and profits with a vengeance.
An outright extortion racket.

Since both Israel and Supernation have more lawyers per capita than anywhere else in the world, it surely throws a wrench into her theory that lawyers are our hope and protection.
Who or what protects us from corrupt lawyers and their lucrative monopolistic extortion racket?
Do you know anybody who hasn’t been lied to, manipulated, bamboozled, and just plain milked of their life savings by a lawyer?

The basic question of what conditions lawyers’ behavior is no different than what conditions human behavior.
For a materialistic social scientist, the legal conceptions can only mirror the requirements of the ruling power system.
Indeed, lawyers are trained in the un-objective dark arts of the adversarial masquerade.

The forked tongue lawyer’s single vision is an elitist scam designed to keep the producing public paying for paper shuffling due process and esoteric legal services.
“No fight, no fee,” Benjamin Franklin observed.

Here is a magniicent and must read classic attack on the US legal monopoly entitled;
THE PRACTICE OF LAW AS A CONFIDENCE GAME.
http://www.thomsoncustom.com/cj/cases/MOD025.pdf

More than sixty per-cent of the US Senate is composed of trained lawyers who fall all over themselves voting for lawyer Joe Lieberman’s
resolutions advocating cavalier pre-emptive murder.
What rule of law?

]]> By: jaime http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8144 jaime Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:39:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/israels-military-court-system-is-the-model-to-avoid/#comment-8144 I agree. The Israelis should use the Saudi -style justice system instead. They're much more progressive. See : http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1015172,00.html I agree. The Israelis should use the Saudi -style justice system instead.

They’re much more progressive.

See : http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1015172,00.html

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