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I think you make some very good points. If you’re free on Thursday and in or around Newark New Jersey I hope you can attend our party this week. We’ll all be very interested in hearing what you have to say!

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I’m very happy to be Jewish. I’m not very happy that my Jewish upbringing taught me nothing about Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular except to hate them. I do not support every position JVP (or Dissident Voice, for that matter) takes on this issue. I absolutely do support the novel concept of people acting like grown-ups and not having what people used to refer to as “a conipition fit” whenever a perfectly reasonable, rational person publically criticizes the Israeli government.

It is embarrassing and shameful that all sides of this issue are heard at great volume in the Israeli media, but we “self-hating Jews” and our brother and sister “anti-Semites” among the gentiles are told to sit down, shut up, and get in line. I would defend, without even having to be asked, Abraham Foxman’s right to be heard at any forum, at any time. How shameful that he will not extend to his intellectual equals on the other side of this issue the same courtesy, a courtesy which should be extended to all Americans at all times.

And people wonder why I told the spineless Democratic Party what it could do with itself a long time ago.

DG

One method is the threat of withholding funds, as was the case of AIPAC’S threat of cancelling the Jewish Youth Program’s funding if it allowed Ms Surasky’s appearance. This is the power of money, the power of the wealthy over those who are not. Behave as we want you to, or be punished.

The other method which is attempted - and often succeeds - with great regularity is emotional blackmail. “How can you wash “our” dirty linen in public, after all, we are all Jews”. I read an article by Milton Viorst yesterday, in which he wrote that 30 years ago Abe Foxman of the ADL
“admonishing him as a Jew not to wash our people’s dirty linen in public”. They are “our people” as long as we think the way they do. Every time a Jew wants to express an opinion which is not that of the major Jewish organizations - which all seem to have only one opinion - whether it be in print, film, or as recently happened in a Congressional hearing involving Holocaust survivors, he is approached with this same old line. But there is not alternative given to “washing the dirty linen in public”, it is not a matter washing it in private. It is a matter of shutting up and letting those in power to think for us all.

Young or old, we are not going to be muzzled.

I feel lucky to get to get to say this right below arch-Zionist jaime’s comment post.

There is one great response to the Zionist’s calculatedly phony charges of “anti-Semitism” or “self-hating Jew”:

DON’T CARE.

I don’t and I never have.

And because of that, I’ve actually *extremely* rarely ever been called the former even by the most racist rabid triple-arch-Zionists — even in my most intellectually/morally blistering bantering and biting, incisive sarcasm against their insipid ideologically racist arguments — because they *KNOW* I don’t care.

(My personal favorite sarcasm is, “Imagine *that*…!: A *Zionist* accusing someone *else* of [anti-Jewish] racism…! It is to *LAUGH*…!” Sometimes I might add, “It’s like the *KKK* accusing the African American Civil Rights Movement of anti-white racism!” Social/Global justice people have to continually POINT OUT THAT IRONY. Like, “WAIT A MINUTE!…: YOU’RE A *ZIONIST*!!” And then tell people who don’t know what that ideologically and religio-racistly *means*!)

If the racists of the world know that calculatedly phony “anti-Semitism/self-hating Jew” stick will hurt you, they’ll keep using it.

At the least, I jes’ laugh…

[Now we can all practice our 'Hillary cackle'!]

Look back through all my previous posts at DissidentVoice: you never saw jaime accusing *me* of being “anti-Semitic”. In fact, I’ve said a LOT and I don’t think that jaime has even tried to intellectually/morally take me on AT ALL — even when I’ve taken his Zionist ilk on before. Now, surely, I should have been a prime target of someone like jaime.

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Actually, one AMAZING time, a prominent guest on PBS’s The Charlie Rose Show STOOD UP TO Israel lobby official, fmr U.S. ambassador to Israel, and arch-Zionist Jew, Martin Indyk, when Indyk tried to blatantly insinuate that the other guest was “anti-Semitic” because the other guest said that the U.S. government can’t accede to everything Israel does. The other guest just CHUCKLED and then, suddenly, VERY POINTEDLY CHALENGED Indyk: “Are you calling me *anti-Semitic*?…” –and stared Indyk down. To which Indyk — realizing how underhanded & slimey he’d look taking such an obviously cheap raw gutter shot (the Indyk’s/Foxman’s are used to it being unchallendged and others being cowed) on national TV — _BACKED RIGHT DOWN_ like a growling dog, who got suddenly, unexpectedly, sharply *SMACKED* right on the nose with a tightly rolled up paper and pointedly stared down, whimpering off with his tail between his legs.

IT WAS A *GLORIOUS* MOMENT IN *ALL* OF TELEVISION HISTORY.

That’s how you handle those slimey Zionist would-be bullies.

Every far-leftist Jew hating blog on the internet’s pushing the same piece.

Jane’s Intelligence Review
March 1, 2000

So almost 8 years ago Myanmar apparently did a weapons deal with Israel. 8 years ago. But they’ve also bought weapons all over the world.

However India and more notably China have been their largest suppliers in recent years. And China is apparently their largest trading partner. This is also complicating things at the UN level because China is exercising its veto power against sanctioning Myanmar’s Junta for the rampant murder of their own people.

Myanmar and Israel develop military pact
By William Ashton

HIGHLIGHT
Although allegations of a secret military partnership between Myanmar and Israel continue to be denied by both sides, reports suggest that Israel is aiding Myanmar’s military modernisation.

Yep, still here among the “we are all Hezbollah” peace crowd. Just working on my Christmas card list. Could you do me a small kindness? If you bump into hp in your travels, please forward him the news that Israel isn’t generally known to be a usual arms supplier to the Burmese Junta.

It’s China.

Instead of looking for ways to beat up on Jews and Israel, how about looking for ways to help the Palestinians?

Or better yet, do something for those poor folks in Myanmar/Burma right now. They’re in a peck of trouble.

The 2 situations aren’t really comparable. In any case I was justifying my point that the modern state of Israel was not founded on the dispersion or ethnic cleansing of the local inhabitants when the Zionist movement began in the mid to late 19th Century and into the early 20th century.

Most of the narratives that get heard on this board are of the “post - Nakba 1948″ variety which tends to encourage folks on the far-left to completely dismiss or disregard this era altogether.

I’ve been called a liar for suggesting that the Jews didn’t do D-Day landings or jump from the sky or march huge armies into the Middle East from Russia, slaughtering Palestinians and drinking their blood.

Maybe there’s a reason why you’re not “supposed” to know that the early immigration of Jews to the Levant was negotiated, not done by force of arms.

The violence part came later. Settlements had to organize and defend themselves against attacks by marauding Arab Tribesman. Anti-Semitic riots wipes out a peaceful Hebron religious colony of Jews in the 1920’s.

With the rise of Arab nationalism, and fundamentalist Islam, partially as a result of Western powers carving up the Middle East and jockeying for oil concessions plus the Jews turning swamps and deserts into successful enterprises.. there were efforts to “take back” the land (long after it had been sold) by force and annihilate the Jews.

The annihilators lost.
So did Palestinian Arabs who became refugees and kept in squalor BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE as a festering cudgel against the Jewish state.

Don’t misunderstand me. I sympathize with the Palestinians. I want to see them well- set up in their own country. Side by side with Israel.

Not INSTEAD of Israel.

In modern times, exploiters and oppressors have been prone to cover their tracks with the appearance of legitimacy and and civil behavior. When Americans forced the Cherokee tribe to abandon their ancient, gold-laden land in the Appalachian mountains to re-settle in desolate Oklahoma, land-grabbers moved in to “legally” buy the land for a pittance from certain tribal “leaders” who had been selected by the Americans! We had the paper “deed” to cover our iniquitous deed!

If I deal with people who have been living with terror and oppression for centuries–under the Ottoman Turks, under the British–and I do not aid them to free themselves from oppression, but I use their weakened position to gain for myself, should I then have the hubris, the cajones, to declare, “I made them a good offer”?

It is written in the Talmud: “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself–what am I?” The first part of the question is reasonable enough, and Zionists have stressed it. The second part requires deeper moral probing about all our relationships, our responsibility to do our best to end or ameliorate suffering. How we answer the second part of that question will define our moral character in our crowded and imperiled world, and is likely to determine whether we survive or perish as a species.

No Vikings. No conquistadors.

http://www.jewishagency.org/JewishAgency/English/Jewish+Education/Compelling+Content/Eye+on+Israel/120/Chapter+One+The+Heralders+of+Zionism.htm

Pappe’s book doesn’t even touch upon this time period. 1880’s-1920’s

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Pappe describes his book:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11102

ZNet | Activism

The ethnic cleansing of Palestine
by Ilan Pappe; October 03, 2006

(1) Can you tell ZNet, please, what your new book, “The ethnic cleansing of Palestine” is about? What is it trying to communicate?

The book tries to show that in 1948, the Zionist movement waged a war against the Palestinain people in order to implement its long term plans of ethnic cleansing …..