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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/resisting-tyranny-in-academia/#comment-8005</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kim,

I guess I was using the word "egregiously" in the second sense ("conspicuously") without its “especially” connotation,” ie, without meaning "conspicuously bad".  See Merriam-Webster online: “…2): conspicuous; especially: conspicuously bad.”

I certainly did not intend to sound like I was apologizing.  

And I certainly did mean my words kindly.  On the other hand, my two experiences with submitting my works to DV – both were met with total silence – did little to reinforce your kindly description of your fellow DV editors.  

Please be assured that I too have a sense of social conscience and justice, and it has spurred me to continue writing despite not having been published since I was eight (I'm now sixty-five years old).  In fact I have very radical politics, and it is because I perceive a whole new "anti-corporatist" movement among published writers that I’ve taken hope anew, as it were, and begun posting comments here and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kim,</p>
<p>I guess I was using the word &#8220;egregiously&#8221; in the second sense (&#8221;conspicuously&#8221;) without its “especially” connotation,” ie, without meaning &#8220;conspicuously bad&#8221;.  See Merriam-Webster online: “…2): conspicuous; especially: conspicuously bad.”</p>
<p>I certainly did not intend to sound like I was apologizing.  </p>
<p>And I certainly did mean my words kindly.  On the other hand, my two experiences with submitting my works to DV – both were met with total silence – did little to reinforce your kindly description of your fellow DV editors.  </p>
<p>Please be assured that I too have a sense of social conscience and justice, and it has spurred me to continue writing despite not having been published since I was eight (I&#8217;m now sixty-five years old).  In fact I have very radical politics, and it is because I perceive a whole new &#8220;anti-corporatist&#8221; movement among published writers that I’ve taken hope anew, as it were, and begun posting comments here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/resisting-tyranny-in-academia/#comment-7467</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kim.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/resisting-tyranny-in-academia/#comment-7352</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lloyd,
Thanks for your kind words. No need to apologize. Since DV does not take advertising (advertising being a major source of what is wrong in media), money is scarce. DV's writers' sense of social conscience spurs them to cover topics of social justice that often go unreported or are distorted by the corporate media.
Without readers, writers would be striving in vain. Readers are most precious to writers. They help to spread the causes dear to social activists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lloyd,<br />
Thanks for your kind words. No need to apologize. Since DV does not take advertising (advertising being a major source of what is wrong in media), money is scarce. DV&#8217;s writers&#8217; sense of social conscience spurs them to cover topics of social justice that often go unreported or are distorted by the corporate media.<br />
Without readers, writers would be striving in vain. Readers are most precious to writers. They help to spread the causes dear to social activists.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/resisting-tyranny-in-academia/#comment-7349</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Petersen.  I've mispoken egregiously.  In a posting of October 12 concerning the article "We Should Be Outraged," I assumed DV pays its authors (and by implication its editors), and spoke  (in a posted poem) to: 

"Dear post-onlys,

You don’t deceive yourself and believe
Anyone who’s paid to write
Really pays attention
To the words
We post

In any personal way, 

Do you?"

This is not the entire poem.  

I have read subsequently your own extensive posts engaging posters to other articles of yours than this one.  

You obviously very much do pay attention to posts submitted to your articles, and at this point I really couldn't care less whether DV is paying you.   Thank you for your range of interests, for your courage, and for your remarkable series on the Kalaallit Nunaat and Thule AFB.   And thank you for your willingness to  jump into the fray and engage us "post onlys" in a very personal way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Petersen.  I&#8217;ve mispoken egregiously.  In a posting of October 12 concerning the article &#8220;We Should Be Outraged,&#8221; I assumed DV pays its authors (and by implication its editors), and spoke  (in a posted poem) to: </p>
<p>&#8220;Dear post-onlys,</p>
<p>You don’t deceive yourself and believe<br />
Anyone who’s paid to write<br />
Really pays attention<br />
To the words<br />
We post</p>
<p>In any personal way, </p>
<p>Do you?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not the entire poem.  </p>
<p>I have read subsequently your own extensive posts engaging posters to other articles of yours than this one.  </p>
<p>You obviously very much do pay attention to posts submitted to your articles, and at this point I really couldn&#8217;t care less whether DV is paying you.   Thank you for your range of interests, for your courage, and for your remarkable series on the Kalaallit Nunaat and Thule AFB.   And thank you for your willingness to  jump into the fray and engage us &#8220;post onlys&#8221; in a very personal way.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/resisting-tyranny-in-academia/#comment-5542</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a great deal of respect for Norman Finkelstein. I think he's a very courageous person -- and obviously a meticulous scholar (as one would certainly have to be, dealing with his academic subject matters). I signed the petition (#1376, if I correctly recall) for his tenure. I consider him a highly valued friend. We have communicated on numerous occasions. And I see him whenever he comes to the San Francisco Bay Area.

But, I consider it very ironic that THE ISRAEL LOBBY, whose POWER he once denied (as Chomsky too still completely denies), or said that PROOF of the lobby's power is indeterminable, is the very lobby that has DESTROYED his career at DePaul University (a CATHOLIC university --not a state or Jewish one-- previously known for its supposed liberalness at that!).

(Finkelstein had just *partially*, say about 30%, shifted to my position --see "The Left and the Israel Lobby", online-- as a result of our previous private analytical discussions.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a great deal of respect for Norman Finkelstein. I think he&#8217;s a very courageous person &#8212; and obviously a meticulous scholar (as one would certainly have to be, dealing with his academic subject matters). I signed the petition (#1376, if I correctly recall) for his tenure. I consider him a highly valued friend. We have communicated on numerous occasions. And I see him whenever he comes to the San Francisco Bay Area.</p>
<p>But, I consider it very ironic that THE ISRAEL LOBBY, whose POWER he once denied (as Chomsky too still completely denies), or said that PROOF of the lobby&#8217;s power is indeterminable, is the very lobby that has DESTROYED his career at DePaul University (a CATHOLIC university &#8211;not a state or Jewish one&#8211; previously known for its supposed liberalness at that!).</p>
<p>(Finkelstein had just *partially*, say about 30%, shifted to my position &#8211;see &#8220;The Left and the Israel Lobby&#8221;, online&#8211; as a result of our previous private analytical discussions.)</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, from the luxury of the perspective of the (rightly) despised armchair warrior, to me it is simple: Finkelstein is well rid of working at a place whose leadership is unprincipled and corrupt even if he does enjoy a certain amount of support from the grass roots.  So rather than fight them, he should let them have their victory and along with it, lack of honour and integrity. 

Furthermore, anybody at St. Paul's who feels the leadership is corrupt, should resign or leave that institution.  People can vote with action rather than indulging in fruitless argumentation. Again: there is no way to win the battle since the leadership will remain corrupted.  So the best thing to do is walk away and find institutions more worthy of one's participation either as student, staff or faculty. 

Einfach!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, from the luxury of the perspective of the (rightly) despised armchair warrior, to me it is simple: Finkelstein is well rid of working at a place whose leadership is unprincipled and corrupt even if he does enjoy a certain amount of support from the grass roots.  So rather than fight them, he should let them have their victory and along with it, lack of honour and integrity. </p>
<p>Furthermore, anybody at St. Paul&#8217;s who feels the leadership is corrupt, should resign or leave that institution.  People can vote with action rather than indulging in fruitless argumentation. Again: there is no way to win the battle since the leadership will remain corrupted.  So the best thing to do is walk away and find institutions more worthy of one&#8217;s participation either as student, staff or faculty. </p>
<p>Einfach!</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one had me fall out of my chair laughing!  Thanks!

Hahaha! That's rich!

"...He (Dersh)  didn’t dare attack DePaul himself, so he provoked Finkelstein into committing professional suicide...."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one had me fall out of my chair laughing!  Thanks!</p>
<p>Hahaha! That&#8217;s rich!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;He (Dersh)  didn’t dare attack DePaul himself, so he provoked Finkelstein into committing professional suicide&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to hand it to Derschowitz! He certainly has succeeded beautifully! He has manipulated Finkelstein and friends into attacking the Catholic Church! Derschowitz started this fight, cynically and deliberately. It was he, not Finkelstein, who attacked an institution of the Catholic Church. Catholics are probably furious with him, but no one else is attacking him! He must be laughing his head off!

Moreover, you can't win a fight with the Catholic Church. A billion people worldwide. 50% of the world's Christians. 64 million Americans. You can't win against the Catholic Church. Derschowitz knew that. He didn't dare attack DePaul himself, so he provoked Finkelstein into committing professional suicide. Double whammy, in fact! Finkelstein's violent and irrational reaction is proving Derschowitz's point that Finkelstein is both a poor academic and a "troublemaker".

Vincentian values. Who are you to dictate their content, Mr Petersen? Are you thinking of joining the order? The Catholic Church has its position on Palestine and the Israelis/Israel Lobby don't like it one bit, but what Finkelstein wants is to force the Church to give him a platform to express HIS views. That is not appropriate in a Catholic university.

The freedom at issue here is the freedom of the Catholic Church to run its universities as it sees fit. 

By the way, if Yeshiva University thinks so highly of Norman Finkelstein, why have they not offered him a job? As I said, Derschowitz must be laughing his head off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to hand it to Derschowitz! He certainly has succeeded beautifully! He has manipulated Finkelstein and friends into attacking the Catholic Church! Derschowitz started this fight, cynically and deliberately. It was he, not Finkelstein, who attacked an institution of the Catholic Church. Catholics are probably furious with him, but no one else is attacking him! He must be laughing his head off!</p>
<p>Moreover, you can&#8217;t win a fight with the Catholic Church. A billion people worldwide. 50% of the world&#8217;s Christians. 64 million Americans. You can&#8217;t win against the Catholic Church. Derschowitz knew that. He didn&#8217;t dare attack DePaul himself, so he provoked Finkelstein into committing professional suicide. Double whammy, in fact! Finkelstein&#8217;s violent and irrational reaction is proving Derschowitz&#8217;s point that Finkelstein is both a poor academic and a &#8220;troublemaker&#8221;.</p>
<p>Vincentian values. Who are you to dictate their content, Mr Petersen? Are you thinking of joining the order? The Catholic Church has its position on Palestine and the Israelis/Israel Lobby don&#8217;t like it one bit, but what Finkelstein wants is to force the Church to give him a platform to express HIS views. That is not appropriate in a Catholic university.</p>
<p>The freedom at issue here is the freedom of the Catholic Church to run its universities as it sees fit. </p>
<p>By the way, if Yeshiva University thinks so highly of Norman Finkelstein, why have they not offered him a job? As I said, Derschowitz must be laughing his head off!</p>
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