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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6796</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...taking land from the traditional occupants...."

There have been Jews living in the Middle east and in the area of israel continuously for about 3,000 years. And at the end of the 19th and the early 20th centuries the Zionists who immigrated to the area BOUGHT land from the locals. They didn't conquer the place. Eventually the Zionists had to arm and defend themselves because of  attacking marauders, then wars of attempted annihilation. So after having sold Jews land; and usually poor quality land which the Jews transformed, the Arabs of the area tried to take what they had sold back by violence. 

I guess it didn't work out so well.

The usual antisemitism that we see here on this board concerns Israel more so than Holocaust denial, and we get the conspiracy  themes of Jews/Zionists, of course.   One thing that kind of interests me is that the current  disaster in Myanmar has gotten no play whatsoever. It's like their persecutions don't exist here as a concern...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;taking land from the traditional occupants&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>There have been Jews living in the Middle east and in the area of israel continuously for about 3,000 years. And at the end of the 19th and the early 20th centuries the Zionists who immigrated to the area BOUGHT land from the locals. They didn&#8217;t conquer the place. Eventually the Zionists had to arm and defend themselves because of  attacking marauders, then wars of attempted annihilation. So after having sold Jews land; and usually poor quality land which the Jews transformed, the Arabs of the area tried to take what they had sold back by violence. </p>
<p>I guess it didn&#8217;t work out so well.</p>
<p>The usual antisemitism that we see here on this board concerns Israel more so than Holocaust denial, and we get the conspiracy  themes of Jews/Zionists, of course.   One thing that kind of interests me is that the current  disaster in Myanmar has gotten no play whatsoever. It&#8217;s like their persecutions don&#8217;t exist here as a concern&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ceri Cat</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6745</link>
		<dc:creator>Ceri Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is related to the formation of Israel how? The holocaust was a tragedy, but look at the facts, Zionists had been pushing for the formation of Israel well and truly before Adolf came in and rallied Germany behind him.
It is fact that the Jewish people have been the flavour of the millenia with the Catholic church persecuting them in particular since it's formation ignoring the words of the one they worship who himself was a Jew. This persecution continues to today judging by the reports of hate crimes from the deep south of the USA and other countries.
Fact thousands of Jews, homosexuals, mentally disabled, and other social misfits were killed by the Nazis as part of Hitlers final solution.
Fact the Russians had them beat on numbers at the same time.

About the only thing that links with Israel there is the catholic church believes Jerusalem to be a sacred site. The holocaust was exploited to force the UN's hand despite advice from many (including the British who had Palestine under their wing at the time) that this would cause unreal friction in the area by taking land from the traditional occupants. Unfortunately just like the native Americans, and the Australian Aborigines the Palestinians seem to be fighting a lost cause too.

Please don't assume someone has anti-semitic leanings just because they pay attention to history, that's as unfair to you as it is to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is related to the formation of Israel how? The holocaust was a tragedy, but look at the facts, Zionists had been pushing for the formation of Israel well and truly before Adolf came in and rallied Germany behind him.<br />
It is fact that the Jewish people have been the flavour of the millenia with the Catholic church persecuting them in particular since it&#8217;s formation ignoring the words of the one they worship who himself was a Jew. This persecution continues to today judging by the reports of hate crimes from the deep south of the USA and other countries.<br />
Fact thousands of Jews, homosexuals, mentally disabled, and other social misfits were killed by the Nazis as part of Hitlers final solution.<br />
Fact the Russians had them beat on numbers at the same time.</p>
<p>About the only thing that links with Israel there is the catholic church believes Jerusalem to be a sacred site. The holocaust was exploited to force the UN&#8217;s hand despite advice from many (including the British who had Palestine under their wing at the time) that this would cause unreal friction in the area by taking land from the traditional occupants. Unfortunately just like the native Americans, and the Australian Aborigines the Palestinians seem to be fighting a lost cause too.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t assume someone has anti-semitic leanings just because they pay attention to history, that&#8217;s as unfair to you as it is to me.</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6735</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...The UN forced the creation of a nation that had never existed as a means of playing CYA and getting rid of Zionists who were causing trouble in other countries...."

Whaaaaa?

Hello? Anybody home?

Ever heard of something called The Holocaust?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;The UN forced the creation of a nation that had never existed as a means of playing CYA and getting rid of Zionists who were causing trouble in other countries&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whaaaaa?</p>
<p>Hello? Anybody home?</p>
<p>Ever heard of something called The Holocaust?</p>
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		<title>By: Ceri Cat</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6709</link>
		<dc:creator>Ceri Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure Palastine has 50,000 warriors, but they're not nearly as well trained or equipped as the Israeli defense force. They'll fight and ultimately they'll die. The simple face is the situation is nearly beyond any possible hope of redemption, and continued western involvement behind the Israeli government has escalated this situation to a point they could not have reached without such help.

Put mildly it's not even their land they now occupy, the Israeli state is a modern construction which never existed historically, while it's true Jewish people have been there since before the time of Christ it's also true that so have the muslims and arabs. The UN forced the creation of a nation that had never existed as a means of playing CYA and getting rid of Zionists who were causing trouble in other countries. If not for the UN and the Zionists the region would probably still be as relatively peaceful as the rest of the middle east instead of being an active warzone. We have a lot to answer for with our involvement in the affairs of countries in the middle east, and by we I mean the western world not just America or any other country involved but those of us who actively interfered and those who stood by and let it happen.

Don't mistake me, I'm not saying this as condemnation of the Jewish people. I'm just trying to help a few people with badly biased opinions understand some of the background, and express my own personal opinion which is simplified a sharp crack over the knuckles with a wooden spoon whenever a hand reaches for that cookie jar. I'm sure many of those involved in the creation of Israel and the seperation of Iraq and Iran as examples had the best of intentions, but their best of intentions over 40 years later are still giving us serious headaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure Palastine has 50,000 warriors, but they&#8217;re not nearly as well trained or equipped as the Israeli defense force. They&#8217;ll fight and ultimately they&#8217;ll die. The simple face is the situation is nearly beyond any possible hope of redemption, and continued western involvement behind the Israeli government has escalated this situation to a point they could not have reached without such help.</p>
<p>Put mildly it&#8217;s not even their land they now occupy, the Israeli state is a modern construction which never existed historically, while it&#8217;s true Jewish people have been there since before the time of Christ it&#8217;s also true that so have the muslims and arabs. The UN forced the creation of a nation that had never existed as a means of playing CYA and getting rid of Zionists who were causing trouble in other countries. If not for the UN and the Zionists the region would probably still be as relatively peaceful as the rest of the middle east instead of being an active warzone. We have a lot to answer for with our involvement in the affairs of countries in the middle east, and by we I mean the western world not just America or any other country involved but those of us who actively interfered and those who stood by and let it happen.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t mistake me, I&#8217;m not saying this as condemnation of the Jewish people. I&#8217;m just trying to help a few people with badly biased opinions understand some of the background, and express my own personal opinion which is simplified a sharp crack over the knuckles with a wooden spoon whenever a hand reaches for that cookie jar. I&#8217;m sure many of those involved in the creation of Israel and the seperation of Iraq and Iran as examples had the best of intentions, but their best of intentions over 40 years later are still giving us serious headaches.</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6679</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel's interview is quite frank and helpful, imho, for anyone who wants to come to grips with the toxic brew of ideologies that is Zionism. His psychoanalytic insights--even if one doesn't agree with every last one of them--are quite interesting as well. The interview available for download at his website is longer and delves deeper into the psychological issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel&#8217;s interview is quite frank and helpful, imho, for anyone who wants to come to grips with the toxic brew of ideologies that is Zionism. His psychoanalytic insights&#8211;even if one doesn&#8217;t agree with every last one of them&#8211;are quite interesting as well. The interview available for download at his website is longer and delves deeper into the psychological issues.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6678</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sk, your referral to Joel Kovel is exactly what we all need. 
Please  elaborate if you can. If you don't, I will.
Joel Kovel is a mandatory source.
Grazi,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sk, your referral to Joel Kovel is exactly what we all need.<br />
Please  elaborate if you can. If you don&#8217;t, I will.<br />
Joel Kovel is a mandatory source.<br />
Grazi,</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6654</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less than a week ago right here on the pages of  DV, Saree Makdisi's article, "The War on Gaza's Children," explained that Israel lawyer Dov  Weisglass created the Abrahamic Israeli "starvation project.'"  

Lawyer Weisglass uses his Law School training to escalate any problem to a legal crescendo. 
Lawyering  at its creative best. 
No food, no water, and no child left behind. A brilliant strategy for peace and justice.
If Dov sets it up, you know that it's legal.

Now, you explain that lawyer Weisglass has coined a new phrase to describe his application of tough starvation under DALAW. 
Quietism or keeping  the Palestinians  in "formaldehyde" is called making  law in the legal trade. Law can be tough.

Making everything legal is difficult and requires administrative and legal skills that only a lawyer would be trained for. It's a  professional  project,  and you need to be  trained  lawyer to really understand it. 

Dov Weisglass has the training and the experience. Israeli lawyer Weisglass helps Israeli people who have suffered and are angry because they have been injured beyond human understanding  by hurtful anti-semitism. 
Dov can right wrongs through the use of creative law.

Dov's C V shows that Dov is a champion of DALAW and can deliver for his government and client. 

 Dov Weisglass was born in October 1946, in Tel Aviv. He grew up and was educated in 1950s Ramat Gan.  At age 19, draft age, he was already studying law. 

At age 24, he was working in the Moritz-Margolis law firm. Thirteen years later he (along with his partner, Ami Almagor) bought the practice from its founders and made it one of the country’s leading law firms. 

In 1980 he represented Yitzhak Rabin against the French magazine L’Express. In 1983 he represented Sharon against the Kahan Commission of Inquiry, which investigated the Sabra-Chatila massacre. In 1985-86 he represented Sharon in his suit against Time magazine (Sharon sued the magazine over a report implicating him in the massacre). 

At first he specialized in representing security personnel who testified before commissions of inquiry (Yossi Ginossar, Shaul Mofaz, Hezi Callo, Alik Ron). He then also specialized in representing ministerial directors-general accused of corruption (Shimon Sheves, Moshe Leon, Avigdor Lieberman). 

Also among his clients: Ehud Yatom, Rafi Eitan and Avigdor Kahalani. And the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad espionage agency.  

When you need creative starvation and behavior change for your recalcitrant problems, Dov Weisglass can serve you like only an experienced professional can.
 .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less than a week ago right here on the pages of  DV, Saree Makdisi&#8217;s article, &#8220;The War on Gaza&#8217;s Children,&#8221; explained that Israel lawyer Dov  Weisglass created the Abrahamic Israeli &#8220;starvation project.&#8217;&#8221;  </p>
<p>Lawyer Weisglass uses his Law School training to escalate any problem to a legal crescendo.<br />
Lawyering  at its creative best.<br />
No food, no water, and no child left behind. A brilliant strategy for peace and justice.<br />
If Dov sets it up, you know that it&#8217;s legal.</p>
<p>Now, you explain that lawyer Weisglass has coined a new phrase to describe his application of tough starvation under DALAW.<br />
Quietism or keeping  the Palestinians  in &#8220;formaldehyde&#8221; is called making  law in the legal trade. Law can be tough.</p>
<p>Making everything legal is difficult and requires administrative and legal skills that only a lawyer would be trained for. It&#8217;s a  professional  project,  and you need to be  trained  lawyer to really understand it. </p>
<p>Dov Weisglass has the training and the experience. Israeli lawyer Weisglass helps Israeli people who have suffered and are angry because they have been injured beyond human understanding  by hurtful anti-semitism.<br />
Dov can right wrongs through the use of creative law.</p>
<p>Dov&#8217;s C V shows that Dov is a champion of DALAW and can deliver for his government and client. </p>
<p> Dov Weisglass was born in October 1946, in Tel Aviv. He grew up and was educated in 1950s Ramat Gan.  At age 19, draft age, he was already studying law. </p>
<p>At age 24, he was working in the Moritz-Margolis law firm. Thirteen years later he (along with his partner, Ami Almagor) bought the practice from its founders and made it one of the country’s leading law firms. </p>
<p>In 1980 he represented Yitzhak Rabin against the French magazine L’Express. In 1983 he represented Sharon against the Kahan Commission of Inquiry, which investigated the Sabra-Chatila massacre. In 1985-86 he represented Sharon in his suit against Time magazine (Sharon sued the magazine over a report implicating him in the massacre). </p>
<p>At first he specialized in representing security personnel who testified before commissions of inquiry (Yossi Ginossar, Shaul Mofaz, Hezi Callo, Alik Ron). He then also specialized in representing ministerial directors-general accused of corruption (Shimon Sheves, Moshe Leon, Avigdor Lieberman). </p>
<p>Also among his clients: Ehud Yatom, Rafi Eitan and Avigdor Kahalani. And the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad espionage agency.  </p>
<p>When you need creative starvation and behavior change for your recalcitrant problems, Dov Weisglass can serve you like only an experienced professional can.<br />
 .</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6653</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, a recent interview (&lt;a href="http://www.radio4all.net/pub/files/redeye@coopradio.org/91-1-20070915-Overcoming_Zionism.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to MP3) of &lt;a href="http://www.joelkovel.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Joel Kovel&lt;/a&gt; on 'Overcoming Zionism'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, a recent interview (<a href="http://www.radio4all.net/pub/files/&#x72;&#x65;&#x64;&#x65;&#x79;&#x65;&#x40;&#x63;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x70;&#x72;&#x61;&#x64;&#x69;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x6f;rg/91-1-20070915-Overcoming_Zionism.mp3" rel="nofollow">link</a> to MP3) of <a href="http://www.joelkovel.org/" rel="nofollow">Joel Kovel</a> on &#8216;Overcoming Zionism&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/gaza-the-quality-of-mercy-revisited/#comment-6649</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...Give it any name you want, this is genocide..."

Not by a long shot, I'm afraid. You see Israel divested itself of Gaza, uprooting whole communities and withdrew to the 1967 border. Instead of reducing terror attacks and bombardment by Gazans, attacks increased. Genocide isn't on the map. It's not about ethnic cleansing at all. And the gazans are very well armed. They're actually the aggressors. All of the measuresd Israel has so far taken have been defensive. 

Here's a recent story by reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSL28817099

Hamas says 50,000 gunmen ready to defend Gaza   Fri Sep 28, 2007 

"...Fifty thousand Palestinian gunmen and hundreds of suicide bombers are ready to repel or at least impede any large-scale Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, an official from the ruling Hamas said on Friday....A Hamas-affiliated Web site quoted Rayyan as saying that "50,000 fighters, armed and brave in the battlefield" await an invasion and that 400 would-be suicide bombers wear their explosives belts around the clock, ready to attack tank columns...."

These people are well-armed and have lots of weapons. They could have brought in food, agricultural equipment, and been busy engineering canals and working at greenhouse operations, but instead, Hamas and the gazans have CHOSEN to make and launch missile and mortar attacks across the border. 

What do you expect the Israelis to do in defense of their population? Nothing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Give it any name you want, this is genocide&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not by a long shot, I&#8217;m afraid. You see Israel divested itself of Gaza, uprooting whole communities and withdrew to the 1967 border. Instead of reducing terror attacks and bombardment by Gazans, attacks increased. Genocide isn&#8217;t on the map. It&#8217;s not about ethnic cleansing at all. And the gazans are very well armed. They&#8217;re actually the aggressors. All of the measuresd Israel has so far taken have been defensive. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a recent story by reuters:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSL28817099" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSL28817099</a></p>
<p>Hamas says 50,000 gunmen ready to defend Gaza   Fri Sep 28, 2007 </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Fifty thousand Palestinian gunmen and hundreds of suicide bombers are ready to repel or at least impede any large-scale Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, an official from the ruling Hamas said on Friday&#8230;.A Hamas-affiliated Web site quoted Rayyan as saying that &#8220;50,000 fighters, armed and brave in the battlefield&#8221; await an invasion and that 400 would-be suicide bombers wear their explosives belts around the clock, ready to attack tank columns&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>These people are well-armed and have lots of weapons. They could have brought in food, agricultural equipment, and been busy engineering canals and working at greenhouse operations, but instead, Hamas and the gazans have CHOSEN to make and launch missile and mortar attacks across the border. </p>
<p>What do you expect the Israelis to do in defense of their population? Nothing?</p>
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