Comments on: West Bugged By Iran’s Independence, Not Anti-Israel Stance http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:55:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Mike McNiven http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-4874 Mike McNiven Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:01:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-4874 Please see an Iranian scholar’s view who lives in exile and –based on his own words– cares about Peace and Social Justice in his homeland: http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=35885 Please see an Iranian scholar’s view who lives in exile and –based on his own words– cares about Peace and Social Justice in his homeland:

http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=35885

]]> By: Amir Tajik http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-4171 Amir Tajik Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:42:42 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-4171 Max Shields, Thanks for the constructive comment! Nesreen, I'm sure every one knows about the arrest of Israeli soldiers. But could you tell me whether it can be a good reason for starting a brutal war in which thousands of innocent women and children are killed? No! It's only an excuse! Many of the western politicians confirmed that the war against Lebanon was pre-planned! Max Shields,
Thanks for the constructive comment!

Nesreen,
I’m sure every one knows about the arrest of Israeli soldiers. But could you tell me whether it can be a good reason for starting a brutal war in which thousands of innocent women and children are killed? No! It’s only an excuse! Many of the western politicians confirmed that the war against Lebanon was pre-planned!

]]> By: nesreen http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3788 nesreen Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:36:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3788 Such a shame many people forgot very quickly that the Israeli soldiers were caught in AITA SHAAB on Lebanese Soil (google can easily show the map ) this was a provocation and israel wanted the soldiers to be fired upon (not kidnapped ) so they can fire back with deadlier weapons . that s how the Golan heights was captured after provocations . Moshe Dayan explains how they provoked the syrians to respond so they can send the fighter jets . (google aslso ) Olmert had also confessed that the war was already Plannned 4 MONTHS before July 2006 . the israelis are after the Litani river , they have decided so in Paris conference in 1919 , it was Jordan valley (done ) golan Heights (done) and theLitani river (working on it since 1948) the israelis think long term and how that much water can benefit them as that area is getting drier and drier . But hizbullah is smarter than the So called Arab leaders , the EUNUCHS of the region , hizbullah knows they are after the Litani and they wont let that happen hopefully . Hamas has changed its stance against israel , first of all , it can not destroy a Nuclear State which manufactures its own deadly weapons , with rockets . and katyushas barely scratch the soil . hamas has been talking about 1967 borders , which means they have accepted israel within 1948 border , so the zionists who live in the past please read 2006 and 2007 articles by hamas . all they want is freedom and a homeland for their people within the 1967 border , which the UN allows them (according to past documents and resolutions ) but we also know the UN most of the time meants US . Such a shame many people forgot very quickly that the Israeli soldiers were caught in AITA SHAAB on Lebanese Soil (google can easily show the map ) this was a provocation and israel wanted the soldiers to be fired upon (not kidnapped ) so they can fire back with deadlier weapons . that s how the Golan heights was captured after provocations . Moshe Dayan explains how they provoked the syrians to respond so they can send the fighter jets . (google aslso )
Olmert had also confessed that the war was already Plannned 4 MONTHS before July 2006 .
the israelis are after the Litani river , they have decided so in Paris conference in 1919 , it was Jordan valley (done ) golan Heights (done) and theLitani river (working on it since 1948) the israelis think long term and how that much water can benefit them as that area is getting drier and drier . But hizbullah is smarter than the So called Arab leaders , the EUNUCHS of the region , hizbullah knows they are after the Litani and they wont let that happen hopefully .

Hamas has changed its stance against israel , first of all , it can not destroy a Nuclear State which manufactures its own deadly weapons , with rockets . and katyushas barely scratch the soil . hamas has been talking about 1967 borders , which means they have accepted israel within 1948 border , so the zionists who live in the past please read 2006 and 2007 articles by hamas . all they want is freedom and a homeland for their people within the 1967 border , which the UN allows them (according to past documents and resolutions ) but we also know the UN most of the time meants US .

]]> By: Deadbeat http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3774 Deadbeat Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:32:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3774 While it is true that the "West" fears any nation that they cannot control there rhetoric and approach are different. For example while the U.S. are at odd with Venezuela their approach to dealing with them was a coup attempt rather than a full blown military invasion. The "West" was not in agreement regarding Iraq and the U.S. seems to be committed to a full blown campaign to beat the war drums against Iraq. There has to be an understanding why the approaches to these countries are vastly different. This seems to be obscured by "Western Imperialism" explanation. While it is true that the “West” fears any nation that they cannot control there rhetoric and approach are different. For example while the U.S. are at odd with Venezuela their approach to dealing with them was a coup attempt rather than a full blown military invasion. The “West” was not in agreement regarding Iraq and the U.S. seems to be committed to a full blown campaign to beat the war drums against Iraq. There has to be an understanding why the approaches to these countries are vastly different. This seems to be obscured by “Western Imperialism” explanation.

]]> By: www.benwhite.org.uk: the blog » Blog Archive » Plucky Israel, surrounded by enemies http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3763 www.benwhite.org.uk: the blog » Blog Archive » Plucky Israel, surrounded by enemies Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:45:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3763 [...] I’ve lost track of the number of times that in emails, or during questions post-lecture, someone will ask me about how Israel has always been surrounded by enemy Arab states. The idea of Israel as a plucky little state constantly being threatened by Arab governments is a useful Zionist myth, as it reinforces the erasure of the Palestinian identity (e.g. the conflict is ‘Arab vs Jew’) and enforces anti-Arab racism (e.g. all the Arabs are indistinguishable). So here is a useful extract from Gabriel Ash’s latest musings: [...] [...] I’ve lost track of the number of times that in emails, or during questions post-lecture, someone will ask me about how Israel has always been surrounded by enemy Arab states. The idea of Israel as a plucky little state constantly being threatened by Arab governments is a useful Zionist myth, as it reinforces the erasure of the Palestinian identity (e.g. the conflict is ‘Arab vs Jew’) and enforces anti-Arab racism (e.g. all the Arabs are indistinguishable). So here is a useful extract from Gabriel Ash’s latest musings: [...]

]]> By: bill rowe http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3747 bill rowe Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:37:54 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3747 I totally agree with the premise that the "West" fears Iran greatly because of its serious success potential along its alternate "path". Iran is on the brink of becoming one of the truly indeoendent countries; when it achieves a truly functional commercial nuclear power infrastructure within the next decade its place will be undeniable. It can then be expected to more forcefully support other groups in the area in their quest for their eventual independence... and that is the true fear of the west. Their emergence will be an immensely good thing for the mideast long term future. I wish them all the best of luck. Also, I expect and hope that during their development local indigenous democratic sectarian influences will reverse their theocratic rule. I totally agree with the premise that the “West” fears Iran greatly because of its serious success potential along its alternate “path”. Iran is on the brink of becoming one of the truly indeoendent countries; when it achieves a truly functional commercial nuclear power infrastructure within the next decade its place will be undeniable. It can then be expected to more forcefully support other groups in the area in their quest for their eventual independence… and that is the true fear of the west. Their emergence will be an immensely good thing for the mideast long term future. I wish them all the best of luck. Also, I expect and hope that during their development local indigenous democratic sectarian influences will reverse their theocratic rule.

]]> By: Suggestion http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3728 Suggestion Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:13:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3728 Maybe the collective arab and muslim world, and the lunatic hamas nutjobs, should someday give up their dream of exterminating israel. Then israel could hand some land over without worrying about anything, and everyone on both sides could move on with their lives. Wouldn't that be nice? Maybe the collective arab and muslim world, and the lunatic hamas nutjobs, should someday give up their dream of exterminating israel. Then israel could hand some land over without worrying about anything, and everyone on both sides could move on with their lives. Wouldn’t that be nice?

]]> By: Max Shields http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3717 Max Shields Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:41:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3717 Amir Tajik, This is the MO of our imperialism. The US does the same with Venezuela. It has nothing to do with their form of government or what's going on internally. It's there successful rejection of American domination that get's under the US regime's skin. What we have with Israel/Palestine and the US and the rest of the world is asymmetrical morality. The US define itself as moral and the determines who is immoral. The same asymmetry applies to the law as Mr. Ash suggests. Might makes right; and thus international law is a sham. A grass-root boycott of Israel would be a means by which to circumvent this asymmetry; even if it only provides a bit of a taste of what they've been doing to the Palestinians. Amir Tajik,
This is the MO of our imperialism. The US does the same with Venezuela. It has nothing to do with their form of government or what’s going on internally. It’s there successful rejection of American domination that get’s under the US regime’s skin.

What we have with Israel/Palestine and the US and the rest of the world is asymmetrical morality. The US define itself as moral and the determines who is immoral. The same asymmetry applies to the law as Mr. Ash suggests. Might makes right; and thus international law is a sham.

A grass-root boycott of Israel would be a means by which to circumvent this asymmetry; even if it only provides a bit of a taste of what they’ve been doing to the Palestinians.

]]> By: Jaime http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3708 Jaime Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:42:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3708 HELLO!!!!!? Uhm, Hizbollah attacked Israel last summer. Not the other way around. And the west is "bugged" by the fanatical lunatics running Iran's development of weapons of mass destruction which could create an expanded war situation that includes other countries in the middle east besides Israel. The above is crass imperialistic propaganda Here's an example of how screwed up Iran is right now: http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=1edb9ef1-5351-4a06-a174 -656ce071be99&k=91194 Iran arrests 230 in raid on illegal rock concert AFP Published: Saturday, August 04 Iranian police arrested 230 people in a raid on an underground rock concert close to Tehran, amid a growing crackdown on behaviour deemed contrary to Islamic law, local officials said on Saturday. Large quantities of recording equipment, alcohol, bootleg CDs, revealing female clothing and also drugs were seized at the concert in the city of Karaj just west of the capital, in Tehran province. "Two hundred and thirty people were identified and arrested in a 'rock party' in the Mohammadshahr district of Karaj," said Ali Farhadi, the prosecutor for Karaj, according to the website of state broadcasting.... HELLO!!!!!?
Uhm, Hizbollah attacked Israel last summer. Not the other way around. And the west is “bugged” by the fanatical lunatics running Iran’s development of weapons of mass destruction which could create an expanded war situation that includes other countries in the middle east besides Israel.

The above is crass imperialistic propaganda

Here’s an example of how screwed up Iran is right now:

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=1edb9ef1-5351-4a06-a174
-656ce071be99&k=91194

Iran arrests 230 in raid on illegal rock concert
AFP
Published: Saturday, August 04

Iranian police arrested 230 people in a raid on an underground rock concert close to Tehran, amid a growing crackdown on behaviour deemed contrary to Islamic law, local officials said on Saturday.

Large quantities of recording equipment, alcohol, bootleg CDs, revealing female clothing and also drugs were seized at the concert in the city of Karaj just west of the capital, in Tehran province.

“Two hundred and thirty people were identified and arrested in a ‘rock party’ in the Mohammadshahr district of Karaj,” said Ali Farhadi, the prosecutor for Karaj, according to the website of state broadcasting….

]]> By: Wes S http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3704 Wes S Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:19:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/west-bugged-by-irans-independence-not-anti-israel-stance/#comment-3704 Very well said. I just hope that this kind of articles would appear in so called "main stream media". Too much to hope for, I guess. Very well said. I just hope that this kind of articles would appear in so called “main stream media”. Too much to hope for, I guess.

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