Comments on: How a Green Won (Part II) http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:13:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Camille Tuason Mata http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-18188 Camille Tuason Mata Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:07:04 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-18188 I agree with Fandom (August 25, 2007). Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither were the Black vote, citizenship rights for aliens, women's right to an education, and the ending of slavery. Cindy Sheehan, the lone, ailing mother, who lost a son to the premature decision to scapegoat Iraq for 9-11, managed to rally hundreds of protests over a period of two weeks after her image flashed on national and international news. Thereafter, she inspired thousands of mothers across the country to form a group called Code Pink to protest the government's right to simply send their sons and daughters to invade a country based on some fictitious notion that their weapons of mass destruction could actually outnumber that of the United States. Keep in mind that it was not weapons of mass destruction that did the twin towers in, but strategic planning. Along the same lines, Ralph Nader's public outcry against corporate welfare and the corporatization of democracy has resulted in corporations sitting down with environmental and labor groups to talk about how they can contribute to human rights and environmental behavior (read: McDonalds and Starbucks). When the going gets tough and the voices of the naysayers begin to boom just a little too loud,the voice of common sense takes control and I think about Sheehan and Nader, my role models, and know that in this country, just about anything is possible, including changing the electoral college and really making the electoral process a populist one. I agree with Fandom (August 25, 2007). Rome wasn’t built in a day, and neither were the Black vote, citizenship rights for aliens, women’s right to an education, and the ending of slavery. Cindy Sheehan, the lone, ailing mother, who lost a son to the premature decision to scapegoat Iraq for 9-11, managed to rally hundreds of protests over a period of two weeks after her image flashed on national and international news. Thereafter, she inspired thousands of mothers across the country to form a group called Code Pink to protest the government’s right to simply send their sons and daughters to invade a country based on some fictitious notion that their weapons of mass destruction could actually outnumber that of the United States. Keep in mind that it was not weapons of mass destruction that did the twin towers in, but strategic planning. Along the same lines, Ralph Nader’s public outcry against corporate welfare and the corporatization of democracy has resulted in corporations sitting down with environmental and labor groups to talk about how they can contribute to human rights and environmental behavior (read: McDonalds and Starbucks). When the going gets tough and the voices of the naysayers begin to boom just a little too loud,the voice of common sense takes control and I think about Sheehan and Nader, my role models, and know that in this country, just about anything is possible, including changing the electoral college and really making the electoral process a populist one.

]]> By: Random http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-4540 Random Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:35:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-4540 Oy, as an untrustworthy, braid-nead Green, I have to say that these exercises in speculative fiction initially struck me as a being, well a bit dodgy. But the more I thought about it, the more it became clear to me that such imaginings are precisely what may be needed . "If you can dream it, you can do it." Envisioning scenarios such as these are certainly inspirational, likened to the first step in a journey of 1,000 Li. What's the harm, as long as people at the Nation don't jump out of windows thinking they're out a job and rush their resumes over to Hustler. Oy, as an untrustworthy, braid-nead Green, I have to say that these exercises in speculative fiction initially struck me as a being, well a bit dodgy. But the more I thought about it, the more it became clear to me that such imaginings are precisely what may be needed . “If you can dream it, you can do it.” Envisioning scenarios such as these are certainly inspirational, likened to the first step in a journey of 1,000 Li.
What’s the harm, as long as people at the Nation don’t jump out of windows thinking they’re out a job and rush their resumes over to Hustler.

]]> By: Gary Kleppe http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3548 Gary Kleppe Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:33:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3548 Whoops, forget the captain bit. I thought "major" was a typo but I just misread it. Whoops, forget the captain bit. I thought “major” was a typo but I just misread it.

]]> By: Gary Kleppe http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3547 Gary Kleppe Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:32:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3547 <i>We came to recognize the Gonzalez near victory as a major missed opportunity for progressives as this would have provided us a legitimate, electable candidate for the presidency in 2008.</i> Who's going to tell Norman Solomon that Gonzalez is only a captain? As for the article as a whole, I think it makes an important point, that author wish fulfillment is one of the easiest ways to ruin a work of fiction. We came to recognize the Gonzalez near victory as a major missed opportunity for progressives as this would have provided us a legitimate, electable candidate for the presidency in 2008.

Who’s going to tell Norman Solomon that Gonzalez is only a captain?

As for the article as a whole, I think it makes an important point, that author wish fulfillment is one of the easiest ways to ruin a work of fiction.

]]> By: Hue Longer http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3540 Hue Longer Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:00:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3540 lol on CP... Regarding Pelosi...I am ashamed to admit that I am attracted to her...maybe it was her maniacal grin after winning the house...it was scary, crazy and it turned me on. lol on CP… Regarding Pelosi…I am ashamed to admit that I am attracted to her…maybe it was her maniacal grin after winning the house…it was scary, crazy and it turned me on.

]]> By: Sunil Sharma http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3535 Sunil Sharma Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:21:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3535 Hue Longer wrote: "What chance of competing with the Wall Street Journal will you guys have if you keep this confusing nonsense up? " I gave up on trying to outsell the WSJ a long time ago. Now my main aspiration in life is to publish a newsletter with fewer typos than CounterPunch. Seems realistic enough . . . Hue Longer wrote: “What chance of competing with the Wall Street Journal will you guys have if you keep this confusing nonsense up? ”

I gave up on trying to outsell the WSJ a long time ago. Now my main aspiration in life is to publish a newsletter with fewer typos than CounterPunch. Seems realistic enough . . .

]]> By: Sunil Sharma http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3534 Sunil Sharma Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:19:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3534 Hue Longer wrote: "On a sideways note, Pelosi has confirmed that she will soon be doing a spread for Hustler, as she is desperate to remain in the slime light after losing to Sheehan." Blahh! Remind me not to buy that issue! Hue Longer wrote: “On a sideways note, Pelosi has confirmed that she will soon be doing a spread for Hustler, as she is desperate to remain in the slime light after losing to Sheehan.”

Blahh! Remind me not to buy that issue!

]]> By: Sunil Sharma http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3533 Sunil Sharma Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:17:56 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3533 Joell wrote: "get the basic facts correct; it was more like 15,000. however, the greens are a force in S.F. and could be of great benefit to cindy." Correct, Gonzalez lost by 14,217 votes. Error corrected. Thanks! Joell wrote: “get the basic facts correct; it was more like 15,000. however, the greens are a force in S.F. and could be of great benefit to cindy.”

Correct, Gonzalez lost by 14,217 votes. Error corrected. Thanks!

]]> By: Hue Longer http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3531 Hue Longer Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:40:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3531 Is this satire or fiction? Is it a candy or a breath mint? I'm only trained to see one and one half levels of irony and I am now in dire need of a joint. Where is the straight line, predictable newsletter that I hoped for after canceling my subscription to National Lampoon? What chance of competing with the Wall Street Journal will you guys have if you keep this confusing nonsense up? On a sideways note, Pelosi has confirmed that she will soon be doing a spread for Hustler, as she is desperate to remain in the slime light after losing to Sheehan Is this satire or fiction? Is it a candy or a breath mint? I’m only trained to see one and one half levels of irony and I am now in dire need of a joint. Where is the straight line, predictable newsletter that I hoped for after canceling my subscription to National Lampoon? What chance of competing with the Wall Street Journal will you guys have if you keep this confusing nonsense up?

On a sideways note, Pelosi has confirmed that she will soon be doing a spread for Hustler, as she is desperate to remain in the slime light after losing to Sheehan

]]> By: joell http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3530 joell Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3530 "Gonzalez’s 2003 mayoral campaign, which fell short by fewer than 1,000 votes" get the basic facts correct; it was more like 15,000. however, the greens are a force in S.F. and could be of great benefit to cindy. cindy, be very careful with the greens. some , especially in decision making positions, are not trustworthy. Seek their support, but like nader 04, run as an independent. otherwise, you may encounter, like he did, a rigged process, and not have ballot status. “Gonzalez’s 2003 mayoral campaign, which fell short by fewer than 1,000 votes”

get the basic facts correct; it was more like 15,000. however, the greens are a force in S.F. and could be of great benefit to cindy.

cindy, be very careful with the greens. some , especially in decision making positions, are not trustworthy. Seek their support, but like nader 04, run as an independent. otherwise, you may encounter, like he did, a rigged process, and not have ballot status.

]]> By: Michael Donnelly http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3522 Michael Donnelly Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:13:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3522 Nice fantasy. However, hitching to the brain-dead Greens would never work. After all, they'd still be touting a "safe states" non-strategy nationally. (Wouldn't want to challenge the latest D war-monger, now would we?) Lest one forget the worst ever poltical non-strategy of all time - a major cause of Bush's reelection; read how world class self-promoter and recent DV contributor Ted Glick sold it last time: http://www.zmag.org/Sustainers/Content/2003-07/01glick.cfm Nice fantasy. However, hitching to the brain-dead Greens would never work. After all, they’d still be touting a “safe states” non-strategy nationally. (Wouldn’t want to challenge the latest D war-monger, now would we?) Lest one forget the worst ever poltical non-strategy of all time - a major cause of Bush’s reelection; read how world class self-promoter and recent DV contributor Ted Glick sold it last time: http://www.zmag.org/Sustainers/Content/2003-07/01glick.cfm

]]> By: Sunil Sharma http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3518 Sunil Sharma Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:53:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/how-a-green-won-part-ii/#comment-3518 And just so there is no confusion, this is a speculative fiction article. --The editors And just so there is no confusion, this is a speculative fiction article. –The editors

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