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	<title>Comments on: The Bathos of Academe</title>
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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/the-bathos-of-academe/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other readers have responded so articulately but I will just say this:
Charles Johnson, you apparently completely missed my point. The article was subtitled “Throwing Rocks from a Glass House.” The tactics that Mr Dershowitz uses are tactics that he stands vulnerable to. If you read closely, my argument was that source of publication does not support or refute the scholarship. In other words, I used the citation from Mr Strouse as a partial tactical foil for Mr Dershowitz’s argument; there was transparently no reliance on it.

To buttress your incomprehension of the article, you then resort to &lt;em&gt;ad hominem&lt;/em&gt; – the same self-laid trap that Mr Dershowitz fell for. As for Wikipedia, it should be, as any source, be regarded with requisite skepticism. 

Finally, I never alleged anything about any &lt;em&gt;ad hominem&lt;/em&gt; screed from Mr Dershowitz. I pointed directly to what he wrote with footnotes so that readers could draw their own conclusions. I also pointed readers to books by both Mr Dershowitz and Mr Finkelstein so that they could draw their own conclusion. Progressivist writers are not about indoctrination. 

Sam Livingston, you also fall for the Dershowitzian mistake of proffering iteration as argumentation. You offered no facts to counter the thesis of the article. Consequently, there is nothing for me to refute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other readers have responded so articulately but I will just say this:<br />
Charles Johnson, you apparently completely missed my point. The article was subtitled “Throwing Rocks from a Glass House.” The tactics that Mr Dershowitz uses are tactics that he stands vulnerable to. If you read closely, my argument was that source of publication does not support or refute the scholarship. In other words, I used the citation from Mr Strouse as a partial tactical foil for Mr Dershowitz’s argument; there was transparently no reliance on it.</p>
<p>To buttress your incomprehension of the article, you then resort to <em>ad hominem</em> – the same self-laid trap that Mr Dershowitz fell for. As for Wikipedia, it should be, as any source, be regarded with requisite skepticism. </p>
<p>Finally, I never alleged anything about any <em>ad hominem</em> screed from Mr Dershowitz. I pointed directly to what he wrote with footnotes so that readers could draw their own conclusions. I also pointed readers to books by both Mr Dershowitz and Mr Finkelstein so that they could draw their own conclusion. Progressivist writers are not about indoctrination. </p>
<p>Sam Livingston, you also fall for the Dershowitzian mistake of proffering iteration as argumentation. You offered no facts to counter the thesis of the article. Consequently, there is nothing for me to refute.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/the-bathos-of-academe/#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, Kim is a man.

This charge of "anti-Semitism" has been thrown into the Orwellian word proccessor to join other words which used to have literal non-emotional trigger meanings such as communist or terrorist.  Some users of it could give you a definition of it, but never an accurate description of what they mean when they use it.  It's become hateful slur used by angry screamers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, Kim is a man.</p>
<p>This charge of &#8220;anti-Semitism&#8221; has been thrown into the Orwellian word proccessor to join other words which used to have literal non-emotional trigger meanings such as communist or terrorist.  Some users of it could give you a definition of it, but never an accurate description of what they mean when they use it.  It&#8217;s become hateful slur used by angry screamers.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/the-bathos-of-academe/#comment-1719</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of Finkelstein; his tenure denial was an abomination and did not follow any kind of standard academic procedure.  I don't give a damn about whether his work is "hurtful" (the reason put in writing--whoever did that was stupid from a legal viewpoint--for the denial of Finkelstein's tenure).  Neither does any scholar.  When Dershowitz has a book published by a university press as competitive as University of California, then I'll consider reading him.

The fact that Finkelstein's books have been published by prestigious presses, including the University of California, which is highly competitive for individual authors, and that his file was reviewed externally and praised on top of solid teaching evaluations, makes him a shoe-in for tenure.  Except that in this case, where the tenure process at De Paul has been politicized in the most overt way it makes me laugh.  I am certain that the AAUP will investigate this case, as it is the clearest case of a violation of academic freedom of any</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what anyone thinks of Finkelstein; his tenure denial was an abomination and did not follow any kind of standard academic procedure.  I don&#8217;t give a damn about whether his work is &#8220;hurtful&#8221; (the reason put in writing&#8211;whoever did that was stupid from a legal viewpoint&#8211;for the denial of Finkelstein&#8217;s tenure).  Neither does any scholar.  When Dershowitz has a book published by a university press as competitive as University of California, then I&#8217;ll consider reading him.</p>
<p>The fact that Finkelstein&#8217;s books have been published by prestigious presses, including the University of California, which is highly competitive for individual authors, and that his file was reviewed externally and praised on top of solid teaching evaluations, makes him a shoe-in for tenure.  Except that in this case, where the tenure process at De Paul has been politicized in the most overt way it makes me laugh.  I am certain that the AAUP will investigate this case, as it is the clearest case of a violation of academic freedom of any</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/the-bathos-of-academe/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Peterson’s credibility is utterly destroyed by her relying on James C. Strousse conclusion that Alan Dershowitz “total ‘scholarly’ production consists of articles he has written for newspapers and elaborate blow-by-blow accounts of trials in which he has been a legal and highly paid consultant.”

If she had bothered to check available sources, she would see that he has written scholarly articles in virtually every major law review, plus twenty-six books, including several that have won prizes for scholarship. The law reviews of Yale, Harvard, University of Texas, University of Cincinnati, Penn, Cardozo, among others, have all published articles by Professor Dershowitz. Rights from Wrongs, Preemption, America Declares Independence are but a few of the scholarly books he has written. In fact, Prof. Dershowitz is regarded as an important scholar on issues totally aside from the Middle East, which anyone would notice if they bothered to check.   

All of this Ms. Peterson would know if she bothered to perform even the most basic search. But Ms. Peterson won’t check the authenticity of her sources. Instead, she selectively excuses Finkelstein’s downright anti-Semitism and ignores even the most blatant examples of shoddy scholarship. We could expect such excuses for she cites Wikipedia, a website she knows can be – and is – heavily edited by the users sympathetic to Finkelstein. If this weren’t enough for her, she alleges that Dershowitz is writing ad hominem screeds, while ignoring some of Finkelstein’s most blatant attacks on students and academics. He called Eli Wiesel, a clown, and offered to sign a petition in favor of assassinating Irshad Manji, a Muslim refusenik, and commissioned a cartoon by a Holocaust denier showing Dershowitz masturbating to dead Lebanese civilians. 


-- Charles Johnson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Peterson’s credibility is utterly destroyed by her relying on James C. Strousse conclusion that Alan Dershowitz “total ‘scholarly’ production consists of articles he has written for newspapers and elaborate blow-by-blow accounts of trials in which he has been a legal and highly paid consultant.”</p>
<p>If she had bothered to check available sources, she would see that he has written scholarly articles in virtually every major law review, plus twenty-six books, including several that have won prizes for scholarship. The law reviews of Yale, Harvard, University of Texas, University of Cincinnati, Penn, Cardozo, among others, have all published articles by Professor Dershowitz. Rights from Wrongs, Preemption, America Declares Independence are but a few of the scholarly books he has written. In fact, Prof. Dershowitz is regarded as an important scholar on issues totally aside from the Middle East, which anyone would notice if they bothered to check.   </p>
<p>All of this Ms. Peterson would know if she bothered to perform even the most basic search. But Ms. Peterson won’t check the authenticity of her sources. Instead, she selectively excuses Finkelstein’s downright anti-Semitism and ignores even the most blatant examples of shoddy scholarship. We could expect such excuses for she cites Wikipedia, a website she knows can be – and is – heavily edited by the users sympathetic to Finkelstein. If this weren’t enough for her, she alleges that Dershowitz is writing ad hominem screeds, while ignoring some of Finkelstein’s most blatant attacks on students and academics. He called Eli Wiesel, a clown, and offered to sign a petition in favor of assassinating Irshad Manji, a Muslim refusenik, and commissioned a cartoon by a Holocaust denier showing Dershowitz masturbating to dead Lebanese civilians. </p>
<p>&#8211; Charles Johnson</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/the-bathos-of-academe/#comment-1692</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where were you keeping these body parts, elias and how did you convince your ignorant guests that they were from Christians?  Did you consider that the apologies they puked were perhaps because they feared you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where were you keeping these body parts, elias and how did you convince your ignorant guests that they were from Christians?  Did you consider that the apologies they puked were perhaps because they feared you?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/the-bathos-of-academe/#comment-1681</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, Elias,

I think you two should first read his book before making such pronouncements of racism. I don't recall him ever denying there was a holocaust or saying anything against holocaust survivors. The fact of the matter is he is a Jew himself whose parents were holocaust survivors. Are you unaware of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, Elias,</p>
<p>I think you two should first read his book before making such pronouncements of racism. I don&#8217;t recall him ever denying there was a holocaust or saying anything against holocaust survivors. The fact of the matter is he is a Jew himself whose parents were holocaust survivors. Are you unaware of this?</p>
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		<title>By: elias aboud</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/the-bathos-of-academe/#comment-1660</link>
		<dc:creator>elias aboud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finkelstein is a racist anti-Semite who openly sneers at the survivors of the Holocaust, stating in the Holocaust Industry book that they invented their stories about the war and cannot be believed. A more insensitive human being than Finkelstein is hard to imagine. Why is this reactionary being defended by Petersen? As a Lebanese Christian, I well remember people of Petersen's ilk who refused to believe that the Palestinians mutilated the corpses of Christian villagers at Damour in 1976.  When I showed them the ripped up body parts, including testicles, they vomited and apologized profusely. I suggest Petersen go before the annual meeting of the Association of Survivors of Bergen-Belsen and Treblinka , look at their tatooed Nazi numbers on their arms, count their tears and make suitable penance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finkelstein is a racist anti-Semite who openly sneers at the survivors of the Holocaust, stating in the Holocaust Industry book that they invented their stories about the war and cannot be believed. A more insensitive human being than Finkelstein is hard to imagine. Why is this reactionary being defended by Petersen? As a Lebanese Christian, I well remember people of Petersen&#8217;s ilk who refused to believe that the Palestinians mutilated the corpses of Christian villagers at Damour in 1976.  When I showed them the ripped up body parts, including testicles, they vomited and apologized profusely. I suggest Petersen go before the annual meeting of the Association of Survivors of Bergen-Belsen and Treblinka , look at their tatooed Nazi numbers on their arms, count their tears and make suitable penance.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/the-bathos-of-academe/#comment-1657</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, now I 've seen everything, when Kim Petersen, a supposed leftist, excuses outright racism by Finkelstein 

"Just as Israelis … courageously put unruly Palestinians in their place, so American Jews courageously put unruly blacks in their place"

with unreal sophistry such as:

"Although I prefer accuracy in language, it is a part of normal human discourse to generalize about a group. The generalization can be negative, and it can be positive. People often speak about groups as though they were homogeneous without implying anything of the sort"

Talk about cognetive dissonance, which kicked in and make a "liberal" person find excuses for otherwise obvious bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, now I &#8216;ve seen everything, when Kim Petersen, a supposed leftist, excuses outright racism by Finkelstein </p>
<p>&#8220;Just as Israelis … courageously put unruly Palestinians in their place, so American Jews courageously put unruly blacks in their place&#8221;</p>
<p>with unreal sophistry such as:</p>
<p>&#8220;Although I prefer accuracy in language, it is a part of normal human discourse to generalize about a group. The generalization can be negative, and it can be positive. People often speak about groups as though they were homogeneous without implying anything of the sort&#8221;</p>
<p>Talk about cognetive dissonance, which kicked in and make a &#8220;liberal&#8221; person find excuses for otherwise obvious bigotry.</p>
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