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		<title>By: Vierotchka</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1299</link>
		<dc:creator>Vierotchka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Smartass said "It should be obvious to all that the US is doing the world a favor by keeping the oil flowing and bringing this vital resource to the global marketplace."

What nonsense! Keeping the oil flowing is tantamount to increasing the fire of  global warming while slowing down research and manufacture of clean energy technologies. It is also pandering to the wasteful and destructive American life-style and consumerism which depend entirely on exploiting, enslaving,  impoverishing and even widespread killing of the populations of the poor nations of the world. Shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Smartass said &#8220;It should be obvious to all that the US is doing the world a favor by keeping the oil flowing and bringing this vital resource to the global marketplace.&#8221;</p>
<p>What nonsense! Keeping the oil flowing is tantamount to increasing the fire of  global warming while slowing down research and manufacture of clean energy technologies. It is also pandering to the wasteful and destructive American life-style and consumerism which depend entirely on exploiting, enslaving,  impoverishing and even widespread killing of the populations of the poor nations of the world. Shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: atheo</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1283</link>
		<dc:creator>atheo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Deadbeat

It seems like the zionists have full spectrum dominance of US politics, incuding such diverse entities as the Green party, the people over at zmag, various maoists, Kucinich and the republicrats etc...
A while back, in my small community, somebody put a notice in the paper suggesting the formation of a group to share  articles and view dvds on human rights and politics. I sent him a link to a DV piece about Islamic prisoners caught up in the fake gwot. He e-mailed back asking if I was some kind of nut and telling me that he was Jewish. I can only assume that Ostrovsky's claim about sayanim is accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Deadbeat</p>
<p>It seems like the zionists have full spectrum dominance of US politics, incuding such diverse entities as the Green party, the people over at zmag, various maoists, Kucinich and the republicrats etc&#8230;<br />
A while back, in my small community, somebody put a notice in the paper suggesting the formation of a group to share  articles and view dvds on human rights and politics. I sent him a link to a DV piece about Islamic prisoners caught up in the fake gwot. He e-mailed back asking if I was some kind of nut and telling me that he was Jewish. I can only assume that Ostrovsky&#8217;s claim about sayanim is accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1280</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>atheo,

  Absolutely.  That is the real reason why the elites (such as Jimmy Carter_ have written critiques on Israel.  We are witnessing a split among elites on Middle East policy especially as Middle East policy has weaken U.S. imperial goals.  The problem right now is that the pro-Israel faction dominate the media, both political parties, and parts of the left.

   I remember that as little as 10 years ago you could not even engage in any critique of Zionism on even a left-wing list.  It was a time when even leftist was trying to use Louis Farrakan as an example of "black racism".   This is when I realized not even the "left" could be "trusted".  Or another way to say it was that Zionism (rasism) pervaded "leftist" thinking.  And was doing all it can to conceal Zionism (racism) effects on U.S. policy both domestic and foreign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>atheo,</p>
<p>  Absolutely.  That is the real reason why the elites (such as Jimmy Carter_ have written critiques on Israel.  We are witnessing a split among elites on Middle East policy especially as Middle East policy has weaken U.S. imperial goals.  The problem right now is that the pro-Israel faction dominate the media, both political parties, and parts of the left.</p>
<p>   I remember that as little as 10 years ago you could not even engage in any critique of Zionism on even a left-wing list.  It was a time when even leftist was trying to use Louis Farrakan as an example of &#8220;black racism&#8221;.   This is when I realized not even the &#8220;left&#8221; could be &#8220;trusted&#8221;.  Or another way to say it was that Zionism (rasism) pervaded &#8220;leftist&#8221; thinking.  And was doing all it can to conceal Zionism (racism) effects on U.S. policy both domestic and foreign.</p>
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		<title>By: atheo</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>atheo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Deadbeat

I watched as big oil stocks declined while the market in general moved up, in the run up to the invasion.  Gains due to the unpredicted outcome are beside the point. As Petras points out, US based oil firms are losing market share in Iran due to zionist imposed sanctions. Zeese is disapointing in his simpleminded or propagandistic denial of the fact that US  Middle East policy is driven solely for zionism at the expense of all but the MIC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Deadbeat</p>
<p>I watched as big oil stocks declined while the market in general moved up, in the run up to the invasion.  Gains due to the unpredicted outcome are beside the point. As Petras points out, US based oil firms are losing market share in Iran due to zionist imposed sanctions. Zeese is disapointing in his simpleminded or propagandistic denial of the fact that US  Middle East policy is driven solely for zionism at the expense of all but the MIC.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point that is overlooked is that the oil companies did not support the invasion of Iraq.  They saw that as a disruption to their business and fomenting bad relations.  Read James Petras for a more complete analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point that is overlooked is that the oil companies did not support the invasion of Iraq.  They saw that as a disruption to their business and fomenting bad relations.  Read James Petras for a more complete analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "War For Oil" focus is an attempt by liberal Zionist to divert any notions of the influence of Zionism on U.S. foreign policy.  Why do you think that United for Peace and Justice help to split the peace movement.  They deplore any analysis of the role of Zionism.

The "Oil Law" is in keeping with the neocons tenets of privatization as well as weakening any rivals to Israel.  It is a deplorable that Zionism -- the 21st century racism -- is trying to be swept under the rug by liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;War For Oil&#8221; focus is an attempt by liberal Zionist to divert any notions of the influence of Zionism on U.S. foreign policy.  Why do you think that United for Peace and Justice help to split the peace movement.  They deplore any analysis of the role of Zionism.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Oil Law&#8221; is in keeping with the neocons tenets of privatization as well as weakening any rivals to Israel.  It is a deplorable that Zionism &#8212; the 21st century racism &#8212; is trying to be swept under the rug by liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1262</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out this video of bush's oil war

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F48xNhqzQiA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check out this video of bush&#8217;s oil war</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=F48xNhqzQiA" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=F48xNhqzQiA</a></p>
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		<title>By: atheo</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1261</link>
		<dc:creator>atheo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Mulga!

 
The purpose of my comment was to expose the idiocy of the "war for oil" meme being pushed by the fake left media. I'm disappointed that nobody bothered to address the factual and logical problems as Econ did in his response: 

"Bush has hardly saved US access to the Iraqi oil when you consider the economic consequences of ill-advised actions. 

This is the sort of moronic thinking you hear from the ignorant jews in the US media. 

Bush has done more to wreck the US economy than anyone thought possible. 

Oil was $23 a barrel before the moronic Bush invaded Iraq and it is now near $70 a barrel after peaking near $80. 

Just looking at the economic consequences of the invasion and you can see why the jew-war in Iraq has been economically self-defeating for the US. The war has also been militaryily self-defeating for the US where after 4 years the US still can't secure Baghdad and the war has destroyed over $300 billion in US high tech military junk. 

Iraq has been UNABLE to produce more than $2 billion a month in oil revenue because the resistance has cut the flow of oil. The less than $2 billion a month in revenue is due in part to the rise in prices in oil revenue and not a rise in volume or quantity of oil produced. 

Yet the moronic US is spending $10-20 billion a month in just the direct costs on the failed war. Indirect costs such as the interest on the debt for all the money borrowed to pay for the failed war, the medical costs of tens of thousands wounded and crippled soliders, the replacement cost of destroyed equipment, and the opportunity cost of using the money to reindustrialize the failing and collasped US economy will be over $1 trillion. 

Combined direct and indirect costs will be over $2 trillion and Iraq oil will never cover this cost. 

The ignorant zionists plotting war never took a course in economics. 

This Iraq war makes no economic sense. The costs are exceeding the benefits and you have dumb US taxpayer impoverishing themselves in the long run to pay for it. 

How long can the moronic US continue a money losing game? 

Second, the rise in oil prices has forced the bankruptcy of GM, Ford and their suppliers as Americans stopped buying their gas guzzling junk as gas prices rose. 

Third, the rise in gas prices in the US means that the people living on fixed incomes or living pay check to pay check can't even afford to get to Great-Wal Mart for all the cheap imported Chinese junk there and consumption (70% of GDP) has been falling rapidly. " 
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Actually, I believe that Econ overstates oil revenues, most of which do go into running Iraq anyway. My rough calculation is that it costs the U.S. $1,000 for every barrel of oil lifted. The most expensive oil on the planet by a factor of 40.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Mulga!</p>
<p>The purpose of my comment was to expose the idiocy of the &#8220;war for oil&#8221; meme being pushed by the fake left media. I&#8217;m disappointed that nobody bothered to address the factual and logical problems as Econ did in his response: </p>
<p>&#8220;Bush has hardly saved US access to the Iraqi oil when you consider the economic consequences of ill-advised actions. </p>
<p>This is the sort of moronic thinking you hear from the ignorant jews in the US media. </p>
<p>Bush has done more to wreck the US economy than anyone thought possible. </p>
<p>Oil was $23 a barrel before the moronic Bush invaded Iraq and it is now near $70 a barrel after peaking near $80. </p>
<p>Just looking at the economic consequences of the invasion and you can see why the jew-war in Iraq has been economically self-defeating for the US. The war has also been militaryily self-defeating for the US where after 4 years the US still can&#8217;t secure Baghdad and the war has destroyed over $300 billion in US high tech military junk. </p>
<p>Iraq has been UNABLE to produce more than $2 billion a month in oil revenue because the resistance has cut the flow of oil. The less than $2 billion a month in revenue is due in part to the rise in prices in oil revenue and not a rise in volume or quantity of oil produced. </p>
<p>Yet the moronic US is spending $10-20 billion a month in just the direct costs on the failed war. Indirect costs such as the interest on the debt for all the money borrowed to pay for the failed war, the medical costs of tens of thousands wounded and crippled soliders, the replacement cost of destroyed equipment, and the opportunity cost of using the money to reindustrialize the failing and collasped US economy will be over $1 trillion. </p>
<p>Combined direct and indirect costs will be over $2 trillion and Iraq oil will never cover this cost. </p>
<p>The ignorant zionists plotting war never took a course in economics. </p>
<p>This Iraq war makes no economic sense. The costs are exceeding the benefits and you have dumb US taxpayer impoverishing themselves in the long run to pay for it. </p>
<p>How long can the moronic US continue a money losing game? </p>
<p>Second, the rise in oil prices has forced the bankruptcy of GM, Ford and their suppliers as Americans stopped buying their gas guzzling junk as gas prices rose. </p>
<p>Third, the rise in gas prices in the US means that the people living on fixed incomes or living pay check to pay check can&#8217;t even afford to get to Great-Wal Mart for all the cheap imported Chinese junk there and consumption (70% of GDP) has been falling rapidly. &#8221;<br />
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Actually, I believe that Econ overstates oil revenues, most of which do go into running Iraq anyway. My rough calculation is that it costs the U.S. $1,000 for every barrel of oil lifted. The most expensive oil on the planet by a factor of 40.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1239</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations Atheo. Either you are a genius of  sly, sardonic humour, or represent the archetype  of 'Western Civilization' in its greed and indifference to the fate of untermenschen. What's a couple of million dead Iraqis next to 'our American way of life?'. I'm still at a loss which to believe. Still the 'War for Oil' Denialists, so often Climate Change Denialists as well (what is this problem the Right has with reality?), will just have to work that much harder on their transparent disinformation and propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Atheo. Either you are a genius of  sly, sardonic humour, or represent the archetype  of &#8216;Western Civilization&#8217; in its greed and indifference to the fate of untermenschen. What&#8217;s a couple of million dead Iraqis next to &#8216;our American way of life?&#8217;. I&#8217;m still at a loss which to believe. Still the &#8216;War for Oil&#8217; Denialists, so often Climate Change Denialists as well (what is this problem the Right has with reality?), will just have to work that much harder on their transparent disinformation and propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Smartass</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>Professor Smartass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've written my senators &#38; congressman dozens of times about this as well relevant committee chairs, but with a handful of exceptions in the house, elected Democrats aren't talking about it.

At this point, it looks like they are complicit in sending our troops to their death to get the best possible deal for the big oil companies.

And do you think they will ever pay us back for the favor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written my senators &amp; congressman dozens of times about this as well relevant committee chairs, but with a handful of exceptions in the house, elected Democrats aren&#8217;t talking about it.</p>
<p>At this point, it looks like they are complicit in sending our troops to their death to get the best possible deal for the big oil companies.</p>
<p>And do you think they will ever pay us back for the favor?</p>
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		<title>By: atheo</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/iraq-still-about-oil/#comment-1205</link>
		<dc:creator>atheo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had my doubts but...

 
I was just begining to wonder why America was still in Iraq. Now with the proposed hydrocarbon law it is clear (who can doubt a proposed document?). It should be obvious to all that the US is doing the world a favor by keeping the oil flowing and bringing this vital resource to the global marketplace. These Iraqis never wanted to participate in the global economy. Why, it will be so much more efficient, removing their oil under occupation that I'm sure that the shareholders of Total, Statoil, and BP will see the benefits as well as consumers. It's too bad that Saddam Hussein wouldn't sell oil and we had to pay so much for it before Bush saved our access to it. I was starting to oppose the war, but since Iv'e become aware of peak oil, I think it's just something that has to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had my doubts but&#8230;</p>
<p>I was just begining to wonder why America was still in Iraq. Now with the proposed hydrocarbon law it is clear (who can doubt a proposed document?). It should be obvious to all that the US is doing the world a favor by keeping the oil flowing and bringing this vital resource to the global marketplace. These Iraqis never wanted to participate in the global economy. Why, it will be so much more efficient, removing their oil under occupation that I&#8217;m sure that the shareholders of Total, Statoil, and BP will see the benefits as well as consumers. It&#8217;s too bad that Saddam Hussein wouldn&#8217;t sell oil and we had to pay so much for it before Bush saved our access to it. I was starting to oppose the war, but since Iv&#8217;e become aware of peak oil, I think it&#8217;s just something that has to be.</p>
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