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		<title>By: Annie Higgins</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly spoken as always, Adam. I miss you!

I also have this fantasy that we will eventually live more locally in a way, that is, being aware of consequences and remembering that part of the job of anything is cleaning up after it. As you mention the Native Americans always did: it seems pretty simple, actually. All the mess of pollution is just not cleaning up after playing. Same with human exploitation, not cleaning up imbalances.

As for fantasy. That splendid film, Labirintho de Pan/Pan's Labyrinth, brings us right into fantasy. As I viewed the film, the fantasy seemed part of reality to me. When interviewed recently on radio and asked to discuss the fantasy that the young girl creates to deal with war situations around her, the director said he did not feel it was make-believe at all. He mentioned many of the fantasies we "live" by, such as news reports of terror groups and need for violence, economic necessities and pacts, etc. We are already living within parameters of fantasy.

Now back to Adam's fantasy of living a real life in contact with ourselves and with the earth, I think this is a verifiable fantasy to counteract others spun around us.

Little gleams of hope, like students organizing small groups to feed and talk with homeless, are portents of things to come. I was actually honored when a homeless man felt sure that I have been homeless, too. In a way, I have. In a way, we all have, and it is time we can turn even the slightest gaze in a way that can begin to change a life, our own, our earth's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly spoken as always, Adam. I miss you!</p>
<p>I also have this fantasy that we will eventually live more locally in a way, that is, being aware of consequences and remembering that part of the job of anything is cleaning up after it. As you mention the Native Americans always did: it seems pretty simple, actually. All the mess of pollution is just not cleaning up after playing. Same with human exploitation, not cleaning up imbalances.</p>
<p>As for fantasy. That splendid film, Labirintho de Pan/Pan&#8217;s Labyrinth, brings us right into fantasy. As I viewed the film, the fantasy seemed part of reality to me. When interviewed recently on radio and asked to discuss the fantasy that the young girl creates to deal with war situations around her, the director said he did not feel it was make-believe at all. He mentioned many of the fantasies we &#8220;live&#8221; by, such as news reports of terror groups and need for violence, economic necessities and pacts, etc. We are already living within parameters of fantasy.</p>
<p>Now back to Adam&#8217;s fantasy of living a real life in contact with ourselves and with the earth, I think this is a verifiable fantasy to counteract others spun around us.</p>
<p>Little gleams of hope, like students organizing small groups to feed and talk with homeless, are portents of things to come. I was actually honored when a homeless man felt sure that I have been homeless, too. In a way, I have. In a way, we all have, and it is time we can turn even the slightest gaze in a way that can begin to change a life, our own, our earth&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: wingnut</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>wingnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 12:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Christian socialist-like folk... have been telling and telling the capitalists... that a pyramid scheme of servitude and inequality doesn't work.  They can't hear us!   No country has democracy until every single citizen can vote-on/have-a-say-on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE that a government ever "decides" or makes rules-over.  As far as capitalism is concerned, why not let people work on MANKIND-HELPING things instead of being forced into the sharktank of the Free Marketeers when they turn 18?  Why the "join or die" and why are we all calling slavery slots "job ooportunity" and "career opportunity"??  Since when is handing your power over to a slavedriver... an "opportunity"???  

We shouldn't put pricetags on every single happiness opportunity, anyway.  We know better than to REQUIRE slavery certificates (money) for basic human supplies or enjoyments.  Pyramid schemes of inequality/servitude have never worked, and never will.  You have government BY THE RICH now (as opposed-to BY-INTELLIGENCE or BY-MORALS)... and that is NOT "of the people, by the people, or for the people" at all.  

Step one, admit profiting causes inflation.  Step 2, admit the USA has a runaway shopping/enjoyments addiction.  Step 3, if you're going to use money and entitling AT ALL, everyone is to be paid the same, even the total loafers.  And everyone is loved the same, even the total loafers.  Or, just abolish pricetags and titles of ownership, and then money becomes useless.  YAY!  The cancerous tumor that IS "economy" will FINALLY quit growing!!  YAY!  Easy equality THAT WAY, eh?  

After pricetags, entitlements, and ALL DEMANDING IS GONE... then all Earth materials are owned by mankind, and we share them all, through the use of enjoyment repositiories... and FAIRNESS.  Its easy... just run civilian society EXACTLY like U.S. Air Force society.... a VERY socialist system.  (Just like a church playground... total fairness or else a nun sits on your head and farts.  Tough-Loving lessons of sharing.  We, as a society, FOR A CHANGE.... teach cooperation instead of competition.  What a concept!

Wingnut
MaStars - Mothers Against Stuff That Ain't Right (anti-capitalists)
Minneapolis MN USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Christian socialist-like folk&#8230; have been telling and telling the capitalists&#8230; that a pyramid scheme of servitude and inequality doesn&#8217;t work.  They can&#8217;t hear us!   No country has democracy until every single citizen can vote-on/have-a-say-on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE that a government ever &#8220;decides&#8221; or makes rules-over.  As far as capitalism is concerned, why not let people work on MANKIND-HELPING things instead of being forced into the sharktank of the Free Marketeers when they turn 18?  Why the &#8220;join or die&#8221; and why are we all calling slavery slots &#8220;job ooportunity&#8221; and &#8220;career opportunity&#8221;??  Since when is handing your power over to a slavedriver&#8230; an &#8220;opportunity&#8221;???  </p>
<p>We shouldn&#8217;t put pricetags on every single happiness opportunity, anyway.  We know better than to REQUIRE slavery certificates (money) for basic human supplies or enjoyments.  Pyramid schemes of inequality/servitude have never worked, and never will.  You have government BY THE RICH now (as opposed-to BY-INTELLIGENCE or BY-MORALS)&#8230; and that is NOT &#8220;of the people, by the people, or for the people&#8221; at all.  </p>
<p>Step one, admit profiting causes inflation.  Step 2, admit the USA has a runaway shopping/enjoyments addiction.  Step 3, if you&#8217;re going to use money and entitling AT ALL, everyone is to be paid the same, even the total loafers.  And everyone is loved the same, even the total loafers.  Or, just abolish pricetags and titles of ownership, and then money becomes useless.  YAY!  The cancerous tumor that IS &#8220;economy&#8221; will FINALLY quit growing!!  YAY!  Easy equality THAT WAY, eh?  </p>
<p>After pricetags, entitlements, and ALL DEMANDING IS GONE&#8230; then all Earth materials are owned by mankind, and we share them all, through the use of enjoyment repositiories&#8230; and FAIRNESS.  Its easy&#8230; just run civilian society EXACTLY like U.S. Air Force society&#8230;. a VERY socialist system.  (Just like a church playground&#8230; total fairness or else a nun sits on your head and farts.  Tough-Loving lessons of sharing.  We, as a society, FOR A CHANGE&#8230;. teach cooperation instead of competition.  What a concept!</p>
<p>Wingnut<br />
MaStars - Mothers Against Stuff That Ain&#8217;t Right (anti-capitalists)<br />
Minneapolis MN USA</p>
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		<title>By: atheo</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>atheo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 03:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's bear in mind that Christine Todd Whitman ( the one who claimed that lower Manhattan air was safe after 9/11) is on a national speaking tour promoting nuclear power as a response to climate change. With Bush, Blair, and the entire establishment pushing radical "solutions" to global warming, it's time to stop, take a deep breath, and listen to the dissenting scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s bear in mind that Christine Todd Whitman ( the one who claimed that lower Manhattan air was safe after 9/11) is on a national speaking tour promoting nuclear power as a response to climate change. With Bush, Blair, and the entire establishment pushing radical &#8220;solutions&#8221; to global warming, it&#8217;s time to stop, take a deep breath, and listen to the dissenting scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: David Alan Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>David Alan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 01:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mr. Corseri, if you truly believe that "Wake up, pitch in, turn out the Republicrats, take responsibility for your community and your precious planet." is really a plan for overturning the momentum of global capitalism, have at it.  Me? I'll work on learning how to live a full life  in an  environmentally altered, radically poorer world and do my best to pass that on to my children and grandchildren.  There isn't going to be any overthrow of the capitalist juggernaut - atheo is probably right, we're going to get lots of nuclear.  The only possible solution is to destroy the ethic of growth - and few of even our most vocal environmentalists are willing to venture there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mr. Corseri, if you truly believe that &#8220;Wake up, pitch in, turn out the Republicrats, take responsibility for your community and your precious planet.&#8221; is really a plan for overturning the momentum of global capitalism, have at it.  Me? I&#8217;ll work on learning how to live a full life  in an  environmentally altered, radically poorer world and do my best to pass that on to my children and grandchildren.  There isn&#8217;t going to be any overthrow of the capitalist juggernaut - atheo is probably right, we&#8217;re going to get lots of nuclear.  The only possible solution is to destroy the ethic of growth - and few of even our most vocal environmentalists are willing to venture there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Toulouse</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Toulouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 05:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam Engel is a voice of truth, something we need more and more as truth slips from our priorities. Truth will never change, only our perceptions, and Adam consistently rings the truth bell--seek out his articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Engel is a voice of truth, something we need more and more as truth slips from our priorities. Truth will never change, only our perceptions, and Adam consistently rings the truth bell&#8211;seek out his articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Corseri</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Corseri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 01:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s a cri de coeur from an enlightened being who writes like his computer is on fire.

And it is—it, and all of us are running out of energy so fast and so mercilessly poisoning the planet in our mad attempts to secure more of it, we need a screeching voice of wisdom to wake us up—a Zen-slap of the here-and-now to sharpen the focus, heighten the senses to alert us to the fact: WE’VE BEEN KILLING OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN’S CHILDREN’S CHILDREN.

When Engel writes that “Radical problems demand radical, not ‘bipartisan,’ solutions, he’s firing his opening salvo at the wheezing apologists for the “System,” the burger-chomping sleep-walkers who cheer the fiddlers at “American Idol” while Rome and the World Empire burns.

Does Mr. Smith complain that Engel’s assertion that “we have turned 90 percent of the planet into urban wasteland and suburban sprawl” is untenable?  Then, what percentage is tenable?  He seems to have missed the bigger point when he writes: “I’m not very cheered that the solution to our problem is a ‘worldwide commitment’ to a set of goals that are antithetical to the current cultural momentum when no means of bringing about this commisment is ever mentioned.”  But, in fact, it is mentioned throughout the article: Wake up, pitch in, turn out the Republicrats, take responsibility for your community and your precious planet.  The Native American cultures, which Engel doesn’t “romanticize,” but rather celebrates understood well: Don’t speak with forked-tongue.  Maintain the natural balance between yourself and the buffalo.  Make decisions in tribal councils where all may be heard.  Listen to the elders, the wise ones.

One person not worth listening to is Rupert Murdoch.  Another reader, unsure whether the climate and World System are in crisis or not, seems to take some solace in the fact that: “soon enough, the neocons, including Fox’s Bill O’Reilley and Sean Hannity, will be preaching a green message, that is to say the now fashionable epistle of sacrifice.”  Perhaps he read a different version of Engel’s article than I did.  Real Radicalism of the kind Engel espouses is hardly fashionable.  He notes how the very mild “radicalism” of Lincoln or F.D.R. were really covers for extending and preserving corporate power.  When Engel writes that he’ll be among the unskilled laborers “picking up the litter,” I doubt he’s being fashionable.  Nope, can’t see Paris Hilton picking the dregs alongside him.

Who’s complaining that he’s not offering solutions?  His article is peppered with information about books to read for further enlightenment, links to other articles and writers.  I suggest the critics re-read the article with a little more care before picking up their six-shooters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s a cri de coeur from an enlightened being who writes like his computer is on fire.</p>
<p>And it is—it, and all of us are running out of energy so fast and so mercilessly poisoning the planet in our mad attempts to secure more of it, we need a screeching voice of wisdom to wake us up—a Zen-slap of the here-and-now to sharpen the focus, heighten the senses to alert us to the fact: WE’VE BEEN KILLING OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN’S CHILDREN’S CHILDREN.</p>
<p>When Engel writes that “Radical problems demand radical, not ‘bipartisan,’ solutions, he’s firing his opening salvo at the wheezing apologists for the “System,” the burger-chomping sleep-walkers who cheer the fiddlers at “American Idol” while Rome and the World Empire burns.</p>
<p>Does Mr. Smith complain that Engel’s assertion that “we have turned 90 percent of the planet into urban wasteland and suburban sprawl” is untenable?  Then, what percentage is tenable?  He seems to have missed the bigger point when he writes: “I’m not very cheered that the solution to our problem is a ‘worldwide commitment’ to a set of goals that are antithetical to the current cultural momentum when no means of bringing about this commisment is ever mentioned.”  But, in fact, it is mentioned throughout the article: Wake up, pitch in, turn out the Republicrats, take responsibility for your community and your precious planet.  The Native American cultures, which Engel doesn’t “romanticize,” but rather celebrates understood well: Don’t speak with forked-tongue.  Maintain the natural balance between yourself and the buffalo.  Make decisions in tribal councils where all may be heard.  Listen to the elders, the wise ones.</p>
<p>One person not worth listening to is Rupert Murdoch.  Another reader, unsure whether the climate and World System are in crisis or not, seems to take some solace in the fact that: “soon enough, the neocons, including Fox’s Bill O’Reilley and Sean Hannity, will be preaching a green message, that is to say the now fashionable epistle of sacrifice.”  Perhaps he read a different version of Engel’s article than I did.  Real Radicalism of the kind Engel espouses is hardly fashionable.  He notes how the very mild “radicalism” of Lincoln or F.D.R. were really covers for extending and preserving corporate power.  When Engel writes that he’ll be among the unskilled laborers “picking up the litter,” I doubt he’s being fashionable.  Nope, can’t see Paris Hilton picking the dregs alongside him.</p>
<p>Who’s complaining that he’s not offering solutions?  His article is peppered with information about books to read for further enlightenment, links to other articles and writers.  I suggest the critics re-read the article with a little more care before picking up their six-shooters.</p>
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		<title>By: atheo</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>atheo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 01:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, what they want us to accept is nuclear power. It's bait and switch. We might see some token renewable energy thrown in here and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, what they want us to accept is nuclear power. It&#8217;s bait and switch. We might see some token renewable energy thrown in here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: David Alan Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>David Alan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am sympathetic to the general argument that it is "civilization" that is the source of our ecological problems, to claim that  we have "turned 90 percent of the planet into urban wasteland and suburban sprawl" is untenable. Nor is the romanticization of the native american cultures relation with nature very helpful.  And I'm not very cheered that the solution to our problem is a "worldwide commitment" to a set of goals that are antithetical to the current cultural momentum when no means of bringing about this commitment is ever mentioned. I can also dream up preferred worlds, but with out a means of moving us from here to there, such dreams are utopias of the mind only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am sympathetic to the general argument that it is &#8220;civilization&#8221; that is the source of our ecological problems, to claim that  we have &#8220;turned 90 percent of the planet into urban wasteland and suburban sprawl&#8221; is untenable. Nor is the romanticization of the native american cultures relation with nature very helpful.  And I&#8217;m not very cheered that the solution to our problem is a &#8220;worldwide commitment&#8221; to a set of goals that are antithetical to the current cultural momentum when no means of bringing about this commitment is ever mentioned. I can also dream up preferred worlds, but with out a means of moving us from here to there, such dreams are utopias of the mind only.</p>
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		<title>By: atheo</title>
		<link>http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/tune-out-turn-off-un-plug/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>atheo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 18:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of what you think about so-called climate change—if it is real or a scam—the corporate media is taking it seriously, including the neocon graven image, or at least the media medicine man of neoconism, “Rupert Murdoch, CEO of News Corporation, the media empire that encompasses Fox News, 20th Century Fox, HarperCollins, MySpace.com, and dozens of newspapers in Australia, the U.K., the U.S., and beyond,” as Grist puts it. 

“At an event held this morning in midtown Manhattan and webcast to all News Corp. employees, Murdoch launched a company-wide plan to address climate change that includes not only a pledge to reduce the company’s emissions (which has come to be expected at such biz-greening events) but also a vow to weave climate messaging into the content and programming of News Corp.’s many holdings.” 

In other words, soon enough, the neocons, including Fox’s Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, will be preaching a green message, that is to say the now fashionable epistle of sacrifice ...

full article:

http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=863</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of what you think about so-called climate change—if it is real or a scam—the corporate media is taking it seriously, including the neocon graven image, or at least the media medicine man of neoconism, “Rupert Murdoch, CEO of News Corporation, the media empire that encompasses Fox News, 20th Century Fox, HarperCollins, MySpace.com, and dozens of newspapers in Australia, the U.K., the U.S., and beyond,” as Grist puts it. </p>
<p>“At an event held this morning in midtown Manhattan and webcast to all News Corp. employees, Murdoch launched a company-wide plan to address climate change that includes not only a pledge to reduce the company’s emissions (which has come to be expected at such biz-greening events) but also a vow to weave climate messaging into the content and programming of News Corp.’s many holdings.” </p>
<p>In other words, soon enough, the neocons, including Fox’s Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, will be preaching a green message, that is to say the now fashionable epistle of sacrifice &#8230;</p>
<p>full article:</p>
<p><a href="http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=863" rel="nofollow">http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=863</a></p>
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