Comments on: The Myth of Jewish Refugees from Arab Land http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:39:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Jack Garbuz http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-24517 Jack Garbuz Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:36:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-24517 P.S. The land was called Retenu by the Egyptians, Canaan in the Bible, and Kingdoms of Judah and Israel in the bible as well. It was the Roman emperor Hadrian, who after crushing the final Jewish revolt in 135 AD (there were three major Jewish revolts against the Romans: 66-70, 115-117, and finally 132-135AD) who changed the name from Judea to Palestina to finally severe it from the Jewish people once and for all. Subsequently, in all the centuries after it was conquered by the Arabs in 638 AD, Jerusalem was NEVER once made the seat of any Arab government or Muslim Caliphate. There certainly was never any sovereign nation their called Palestine. That was just a geographical label, like "New England" or Patagonia or Iberia. Hadrian must be rolling in his grave. The Roman empire is gone, and Israel is back. P.S. The land was called Retenu by the Egyptians, Canaan in the Bible, and Kingdoms of Judah and Israel in the bible as well. It was the Roman emperor Hadrian, who after crushing the final Jewish revolt in 135 AD (there were three major Jewish revolts against the Romans: 66-70, 115-117, and finally 132-135AD) who changed the name from Judea to Palestina to finally severe it from the Jewish people once and for all. Subsequently, in all the centuries after it was conquered by the Arabs in 638 AD, Jerusalem was NEVER once made the seat of any Arab government or Muslim Caliphate. There certainly was never any sovereign nation their called Palestine. That was just a geographical label, like “New England” or Patagonia or Iberia. Hadrian must be rolling in his grave. The Roman empire is gone, and Israel is back.

]]> By: Jack Garbuz http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-24515 Jack Garbuz Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:18:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-24515 Also, after the failed revolts against the Romans in the first and second century, some Jews left Judea and went south to Arabia, in what is called the Hijaz, and introduced the palm tree and the date, and some Bedouins claim the camel as well. They successfully farmed the oases and founded the town of Yathrib, which centuries later came to be called Medina, to which Muhammad fled from Meccan persecution and was well received at first by the wealthy and powerful Jewish tribes there. But, when they refused to accept him as their prophet or support him in his caravan raids against the pagan Meccans, when he gained much strength and power, he accused the Jews of treachery for not supporting him in his war with the Meccans, and ethnically cleansed them out of the Hijaz , but not before personally beheading hundreds and taking some of their women and children, not to mention all of their wealth from himself and his followers. Indeed, without the stolen Jewish wealth, it is doubtful that Islam could have had the numbers of loyal tribesman (who received their share) to burst out of Arabia to conquer much of the known world. Also, after the failed revolts against the Romans in the first and second century, some Jews left Judea and went south to Arabia, in what is called the Hijaz, and introduced the palm tree and the date, and some Bedouins claim the camel as well. They successfully farmed the oases and founded the town of Yathrib, which centuries later came to be called Medina, to which Muhammad fled from Meccan persecution and was well received at first by the wealthy and powerful Jewish tribes there. But, when they refused to accept him as their prophet or support him in his caravan raids against the pagan Meccans, when he gained much strength and power, he accused the Jews of treachery for not supporting him in his war with the Meccans, and ethnically cleansed them out of the Hijaz , but not before personally beheading hundreds and taking some of their women and children, not to mention all of their wealth from himself and his followers. Indeed, without the stolen Jewish wealth, it is doubtful that Islam could have had the numbers of loyal tribesman (who received their share) to burst out of Arabia to conquer much of the known world.

]]> By: gail gray http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-8548 gail gray Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:27:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-8548 the jewish settlers are jews by religion, and eastern european by race. they are not the decendents of abraham, they are the anti semites, the palestians are true semites, true owners of the land. the jews are thiefs and liars. violent killers of innocenet, unarmed, people. they claim god gave them the land. that is their beleif, their fantasy, it is not legal. anyone in this country of seperation of church and state who gives credence to this claim should beleive in fairy tales. these so called christian zionists are not christian in any form. they support a people who mock christians, spit on our cross, devile our places or worship and abuse our clergy. shame on them and may God have mercy on their souls. the jewish settlers are jews by religion, and eastern european by race. they are not the decendents of abraham, they are the anti semites, the palestians are true semites, true owners of the land. the jews are thiefs and liars. violent killers of innocenet, unarmed, people. they claim god gave them the land. that is their beleif, their fantasy, it is not legal. anyone in this country of seperation of church and state who gives credence to this claim should beleive in fairy tales. these so called christian zionists are not christian in any form. they support a people who mock christians, spit on our cross, devile our places or worship and abuse our clergy. shame on them and may God have mercy on their souls.

]]> By: Omar http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-1839 Omar Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:43:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-1839 Dr. Elias - You were aware, surely, that Jews in Iran are generally not allowed to travel outside the country with family members? (i.e., if a jew wants to venture outside the borders of Iran, he has to leave his family behind . . . ). I'm no rocket scientist, but doesn't that make each "retained" family member somthing akin to a hostage? Dr. Elias -

You were aware, surely, that Jews in Iran are generally not allowed to travel outside the country with family members? (i.e., if a jew wants to venture outside the borders of Iran, he has to leave his family behind . . . ). I’m no rocket scientist, but doesn’t that make each “retained” family member somthing akin to a hostage?

]]> By: Alex S. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-1286 Alex S. Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:16:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-1286 Not only were Jews like second class citizens, Coptic Christians in Egypt are treated as second class citizens TODAY. Muslims have driven out almost the entire Christian community in Bethlehem and have built a mosque to overshadow the Church of the Nativity. As far as the nuttyeuri karta, let the Islamofascist Regime of Iran have them. Not only were Jews like second class citizens, Coptic Christians in Egypt are treated as second class citizens TODAY.

Muslims have driven out almost the entire Christian community in Bethlehem and have built a mosque to overshadow the Church of the Nativity.

As far as the nuttyeuri karta, let the Islamofascist Regime of Iran have them.

]]> By: sheldon g http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-568 sheldon g Thu, 24 May 2007 20:56:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-568 Palestinian liberation NOW! Palestinian liberation NOW!

]]> By: safi http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-140 safi Mon, 07 May 2007 21:37:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-140 One thing to add-the huge issue concerning jews in Muslim countries was the fear that they were not being allowed to leave the country for Israel! western governments had to pressure some of the Arab govts. to let the jews go, so this talk that they were actually kicked out is wrong. One thing to add-the huge issue concerning jews in Muslim countries was the fear that they were not being allowed to leave the country for Israel! western governments had to pressure some of the Arab govts. to let the jews go, so this talk that they were actually kicked out is wrong.

]]> By: Elias Akleh http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-135 Elias Akleh Mon, 07 May 2007 07:26:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-135 LC, thanks for article on Jewish presence in Iran. Kaz Gnik, there are no British consensus confirming your figures. Claims by politically motivated people carry no weight without proof. History proves Palestine was populated for the last 9,000 years. Archeological digs in ancient Jericho proves it. Also the Old Testament states that when Abraham fled to Palestine (not his native homeland) he found it populated with a lot of tribes. Palestine is part of what is called the “Fertile Crescent”. Many foreign rulers had attempted to occupy Palestine for its richness and its natural resources, and not for its “wasteland with no people and no veggitation”. As for Islam, I wish people study religion before condemning it. Islam is a religion that respects the other and calls nobody a “Goyim”. It recognizes true Judaism and Jews, and it recognizes Christianity and Christians and calls them “the people of the book”. Islam preaches respect and fair treatment for “people of the book”. Islam does not insult God by calling him a racist, who favors one people over the rest of his creations unlike the political fake fiendishly introduced religious beliefs to Judaic teachings that cite such insult as a holy right for Zionist Israel to exist on usurped Palestine. Evan, I would like to refer you to the diary of Zionist founder, Herzl, where he wrote “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse, this will assist us in realization of our plans … I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth … Anti-semites shall be our best friends”. History also tells of the Jewish Zionist terror group, the Haganah, who blew up the S.S. Patria ship in Haifa port murdering 268 illegal Jewish immigrants to Palestine in an attempt to win Western sympathy for Jewish immigration to Palestine. Many Zionist Jews held high military position in the German army and contributed to the Holocaust against non-Zionist Jews. Oral history by Palestinian eyewitnesses tells of blue-eyed foreign mercenaries, who attacked Jewish community in Hebron for refusing to join Zionism and claiming the slaughter on Arabs. History is full of many other such Zionist terrors. It is the successive Israeli leaders, who make peace impossible, for they keep rejecting all Arab peace initiatives that promise to guarantee Israel’s security and complete diplomatic relationships between all Arab countries and Israeli state. The sad truth is that Arabs and Jews (descendents of Abraham) had lived in relative peace together for hundreds of years, until Zionism implanted hatred between them. Arabs had saved many Jews from European persecutions since the Crusaders, and had saved a lot of Jews from the Holocaust. Paris Grand Mosque was a refuge for persecuted Jews during WWII. False religious beliefs and false interpretations of religion had been used to drive people into wars against each other. Judaism has been turned into Zionist nationalism. All religions teach of love, peace and harmony, not wars. God does not want us to fight his wars. The war between Arabs and Jews is fattening the Western military and financial giant corporations. For further education please check the following: "Among the righteous: lost stories from the Holocaust's long reach into Arab Lands" book by historian/researcher Robert Satloff www.jewsagainstzionism.com (Torah True Jews) www.nkusa.org (orthodox Jews united against Zionism) LC, thanks for article on Jewish presence in Iran.

Kaz Gnik, there are no British consensus confirming your figures. Claims by politically motivated people carry no weight without proof. History proves Palestine was populated for the last 9,000 years. Archeological digs in ancient Jericho proves it. Also the Old Testament states that when Abraham fled to Palestine (not his native homeland) he found it populated with a lot of tribes. Palestine is part of what is called the “Fertile Crescent”. Many foreign rulers had attempted to occupy Palestine for its richness and its natural resources, and not for its “wasteland with no people and no veggitation”.

As for Islam, I wish people study religion before condemning it. Islam is a religion that respects the other and calls nobody a “Goyim”. It recognizes true Judaism and Jews, and it recognizes Christianity and Christians and calls them “the people of the book”. Islam preaches respect and fair treatment for “people of the book”. Islam does not insult God by calling him a racist, who favors one people over the rest of his creations unlike the political fake fiendishly introduced religious beliefs to Judaic teachings that cite such insult as a holy right for Zionist Israel to exist on usurped Palestine.

Evan, I would like to refer you to the diary of Zionist founder, Herzl, where he wrote “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse, this will assist us in realization of our plans … I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth … Anti-semites shall be our best friends”. History also tells of the Jewish Zionist terror group, the Haganah, who blew up the S.S. Patria ship in Haifa port murdering 268 illegal Jewish immigrants to Palestine in an attempt to win Western sympathy for Jewish immigration to Palestine. Many Zionist Jews held high military position in the German army and contributed to the Holocaust against non-Zionist Jews. Oral history by Palestinian eyewitnesses tells of blue-eyed foreign mercenaries, who attacked Jewish community in Hebron for refusing to join Zionism and claiming the slaughter on Arabs. History is full of many other such Zionist terrors.

It is the successive Israeli leaders, who make peace impossible, for they keep rejecting all Arab peace initiatives that promise to guarantee Israel’s security and complete diplomatic relationships between all Arab countries and Israeli state.

The sad truth is that Arabs and Jews (descendents of Abraham) had lived in relative peace together for hundreds of years, until Zionism implanted hatred between them. Arabs had saved many Jews from European persecutions since the Crusaders, and had saved a lot of Jews from the Holocaust. Paris Grand Mosque was a refuge for persecuted Jews during WWII. False religious beliefs and false interpretations of religion had been used to drive people into wars against each other. Judaism has been turned into Zionist nationalism. All religions teach of love, peace and harmony, not wars. God does not want us to fight his wars. The war between Arabs and Jews is fattening the Western military and financial giant corporations.

For further education please check the following:
“Among the righteous: lost stories from the Holocaust’s long reach into Arab Lands” book by historian/researcher Robert Satloff
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com (Torah True Jews)
http://www.nkusa.org (orthodox Jews united against Zionism)

]]> By: kaz gnik http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-107 kaz gnik Fri, 04 May 2007 14:28:56 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-107 What a crock! in the 1800s england did a cencious of "palistine" and found 18,000 jews and 12,000 arabs. mark twain said it was a wasteland with no people and no veggitation. now that the jews have came back to the home land it has bloomed, just as the bible said it would fullfilling prophecie. Islam is a curse upon the hole middle east , a perpetual wasteland filled with murders and hatred as its core teachings of the area thanks to the false prophet muhamed and his demonic imitation of god. there will be no peace in the middle east as long as islam reigns with corruption and violence, as perscribed inthe unholy koran What a crock!
in the 1800s england did a cencious of “palistine” and found 18,000 jews
and 12,000 arabs. mark twain said it was a wasteland with no people and no veggitation. now that the jews have came back to the home land it has bloomed, just as the bible said it would fullfilling prophecie.
Islam is a curse upon the hole middle east , a perpetual wasteland filled with murders and hatred as its core teachings of the area thanks to the false prophet muhamed and his demonic imitation of god. there will be no peace in the middle east as long as islam reigns with corruption and violence, as perscribed inthe unholy koran

]]> By: lc http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-106 lc Fri, 04 May 2007 06:28:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-106 Evan: go to: www.mrzine.org there's an article"On the Jewish presence in Iranian history". Evan: go to: http://www.mrzine.org there’s an article”On the Jewish presence in Iranian history”.

]]> By: Evan http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-73 Evan Thu, 03 May 2007 04:28:59 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/05/the-myth-of-jewish-refugees-from-arab-land/#comment-73 You have got to be kidding me there is so much wrong with this entire post but i'll just pick a few choice examples. What exactly is your evidence that Jews firebombed the Synagogues in Arab Countries? You make claims the Palestinians would never do such things as leave their homes and offer no evidence but then you make up evidence to show Jews destroying their own property At the time of the Jewish Refuges the United States was giving Israel very little aid. It didn't pick up until the 60s. So the United States didn't feed, resettled or compensate anyone. The only truth in this entire thing is that your part of the Palestinian group that makes peace impossible because you spread lies. Israel aren't saints but if there is ever to be peace is only going to be based on the truth and not your outlandish assumptions and lies. You have got to be kidding me there is so much wrong with this entire post but i’ll just pick a few choice examples.

What exactly is your evidence that Jews firebombed the Synagogues in Arab Countries? You make claims the Palestinians would never do such things as leave their homes and offer no evidence but then you make up evidence to show Jews destroying their own property

At the time of the Jewish Refuges the United States was giving Israel very little aid. It didn’t pick up until the 60s. So the United States didn’t feed, resettled or compensate anyone.

The only truth in this entire thing is that your part of the Palestinian group that makes peace impossible because you spread lies. Israel aren’t saints but if there is ever to be peace is only going to be based on the truth and not your outlandish assumptions and lies.

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